What I'm referring to here is the change where one person using StB turns off everyone else's StB. Even setting aside that it's wholly unnecessary for this perk - multiple uses only even can happen in scenarios that aren't actively throwing is when someone's tunnelled - I truly do not think it's a good precedent for someone else's actions to turn off your perk completely.

The gap between solo queue and SWF is a lot more than just perks, obviously, but part of it is that sometimes, a perk you want to use is at odds with your teammates. Think something like Inner Strength not scaling well when everyone brings it, or when someone brings a boon perk.
For that example, unavoidable and just an annoyance. But, if someone using Inner Strength once genuinely stopped you from using your own at all, it'd be far worse, and that's what we're at risk of here.

Once per trial per survivor is already restrictive enough, and any perk in the game should be balanced around the notion that "once per trial" means "up to four times per trial, depending on how many people bring it". If that means nerfing the effect, I'd argue that's genuinely vastly preferable to being locked out of using your own perks because someone else used theirs first.

The most used perks are still the most used perks. The strongest perks are still the strongest perks. The unhealthy perks are still there. And perks that were barely used yesterday will continue to be ignored by anyone who wants to play competitively.
A perfect example of how disconnected the devs seem to be from how their own game actually plays is Distressing.

They added a slowdown effect to it. Sounds good on paper. In practice? It’s basically useless.
Killers move. They don’t stand still. They are constantly rotating around the map, chasing survivors, checking generators, hooking, patrolling, and repositioning. Even with an enormous Terror Radius — Wesker or Doctor with specific add-ons, for example — the actual impact of that slowdown is negligible and lasts for an incredibly short amount of time. 9% slowdown for what? Two seconds? Three seconds?
That is completely irrelevant, especially against actual genrush builds.

And DMS? Completely destroyed. No sane player is going to touch that perk now. And this is another recurring problem: the devs seem incapable of nerfing perks in a reasonable way. Instead of adjusting something while preserving its purpose, they just destroy it and move on.
What is the point?

The other Killer perks received some minor changes, sure, but realistically, none of them are getting anywhere near one of my builds.
And while my knowledge of Survivor perks obviously comes mostly from facing them rather than playing them, the exact same problem exists on that side.

WoO and Shoulder the Burden were nerfed in ways that make very little sense. Again, just like with DMS, there seems to be no middle ground when it comes to nerfs. The other Survivor perks got their flashy "big numbers," and sure, maybe now you’ll be able to heal an unhooked Survivor in two seconds under the right circumstances.

But at the end of the day, what perks are we actually going to keep seeing? Babysitter, Die Hard, Lithe, Hyperfocus, etc. etc.
Why? Because the meta itself has not changed. That is the biggest problem with this entire "shake-up." It doesn’t actually shake anything up.
This could have been an opportunity for BHVR to completely disrupt the existing meta, revitalize the game, improve it, and make it feel fresh and interesting again.

Instead, they chose the safest possible route: touch 58 mostly irrelevant perks, make a bunch of them slightly less irrelevant, and call it a meta shake-up.
Most of them will still be useless for anyone trying to play competitively, and will remain perks designed almost exclusively for casual players who spend half the match chatting instead of playing ( oh wait...it remind me something...)

And we did, on the killer side. Genuinely think there are some great changes for killer perks, a lot of them have been made genuinely strong from a useless perk, some may have been more so cozy / nice-to-have perks that got buffed to be even nicer, and a few might even contest the meta. Honestly there's a few perks that I'm a bit worried about being over tuned, but I'd much rather that then a bunch of nothing burger perk changes. I look forward to experimenting with my killer builds more.

However, on the survivor side we got many nothing burger updates, along with a plethora of nerfs. Like, genuinely, it's kind of insane how little there is to encourage me to play survivor. Here is a list of all the perk changes and how I would categorize them:

This is what I wanted to see from the perk update. Many perks got sizable buffs, making a huge difference. There are a couple of nerfs for what I assume are the "problematic perks" they mentioned and I think that's good, but there are only a couple so killers are still eating very well. Let's look at survivor.

Survivor perks got more nerfs and honestly much bigger nerfs. 2/3 of killer perk nerfs make it so the perk works almost exactly the same as before, just not on the strongest of killers. Survivors had several perks absolutely obliterated.

More than that though, the perk buffs are nothing burgers. Survivor's got double the Green/Blue buffs that honestly make it feel like they're there to make it seem like survivors got more than they did. Even the more sizable buffs mostly just make a terrible perk usable, there is almost nothing actually strong.

Illumination's new effect is cool, still not worth running. Plunderer's Instinct will buff chest builds slightly which is nice, but even though I love a good chest build they are a complete meme. Road Life is actually decent now but still is outclassed by bringing a good medkit. Spine Chill went from worthless to decent, although I would rather just run Finesse or Resilience. Better Than New went from being awful to maybe being useful queueing with someone using boons (until they may nerf boons too apparently). Small Game was terrible and now is decent because it gives you the functionality of a map with a purple addon, yippee!

I think they meant WoO and Stake Out to be side-grades, but I while I stopped using WoO a long time ago I would literally rather run Resilience or Finesse over WoO any day (same issue as Spine Chill because they're basically the same effect, very creative), and Stake Out can still be completely wasted on a heal, it's not even based on TR anymore so you have to be within a tiny 24m area for 15s for one stack, all for a 4% bonus that you could potentially still miss.

The only decent things survivors got, ironically, are Flow State and This Is Not Happening. I say ironically because, while Flow State's buff was a really nice change, This Is Not Happening just inflates the issue of Hyperfocus. They really should have just changed Hyperfocus, the actual problem, instead of Stake Out, because now this perk that is largely meant for new players can be combo'd with HF for an even more reliable genrush build on a decent player. The gen speeds in the PTB were insanity. And I 100% guarantee you there will be complaint after complaint about it and it will be removed before it goes live and we'll end up with only Flow State.

This update is giving me no reasons to keep playing survivor when the survivor experience has already been so miserable. I've already been playing way more killer than survivor, and I guess I'll keep doing that. Because we need killer queue times to be longer.

You ran away? Killer just go around the pallet and catch up
easily, you decided to stay on the loop? Killers will blood lust until
they hit you because loops are shorter than lunges.
And is gonna be a
nightmare on S tier killers already, Nurse will blink just one to hit
you, killers like Kaneki, Billy, Blight, Singularity will be
unstoppable.

The perk lose the effect if killers break the pallet, but like I
said, they're just gonna bloodlust until they hit you because until you
dropped shack pallet, you're gonna be dead. And some killers doesn't
need to break the pallet to chase you.

The hilarious part is that the biggest issue with StB was when it was used in a scenario where hooks looked like 2-1-1-0. Despite the killer not tunneling at all, they are punished and even if they need someone out of the game sooner because they spread hooks, they can't. Using StB multiple times on one survivor was not an issue, if the survivors had to do that the killer was probably tunneling, which, you know, is the point of this anti-tunnel perk.

I'd much rather see StB changed to something like 60s of broken and no longer be usable when at least 3 different survivors have at least one hook stage. it would be a much healthier change that actually tackles the main issue with the perk, while also keeping it more viable in solo queue and, while not giga punishing a survivor for helping their teammate who is getting tunneled, also make it easier for the killer to know who is vulnerable and when the effect ends.

You could be losing chase mid-chase with fixated, sift tech etc but the killer has not dropped chase, and you cant tell them that currently thx.

Please don't push this to live, it will make her unplayable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ0kN4ufDpo

I definitely think increasing it by an extra 5 percent might actually make this perk worth running, giving low mobility killers explore around the map faster

Why?

My favorite survivor perk build was essentially a luck build. Up The Ante, Ace In The Hole, Slippery Meat, and Plunderer's Instinct since Feb. 2017. Say what you will, but I think the go-next epidemic is what is prompting the change to Slippery Meat and eventually, Up The Ante will be next.

Other info/thoughts

I had a feeling that Slippery Meat and/or Up The Ante would just be turned into another haste perk. I'm a little disappointed.

How do you save the luck mechanic?

Specifically, how do we save Up The Ante and Slippery Meat from being changed from their core design and how do we prevent the luck offerings from being retired? I've tried once already on trying to spice up the luck mechanic. You can read that here: https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/414401/luck-and-you-a-dead-by-daylight-guide-mechanic-update-concept

On to my final suggestions:

Self-Unhooking:

Players are familiar with the concept of self-unhooking. Perks such as Deliverance and Wicked can help accomplish those actions. What I think is the biggest turn off is players trying to "go next" long after the go-next epidemic has ended. There will always be those few who still try to do that. However, with the changes to the perks, I think luck can still be saved.

Slippery Meat:

One of the new mechanics with Slippery Meat will be the following:

"When you are hooked for the first time, you have a 6% chance of being granted the ability to Self-Unhook."

No more attempting to unhook yourself and propel the sacrifice process, no more intentionally trying to give up. Now, Slippery Meat retains its luck factor while still being a wildcard perk. The overall odds of unhooking yourself have gone down drastically, but it needs to be that way since there is now no penalty or risk of "attempting" to unhook yourself. The real risk is if you get value out of your perk slot. 6% of the time, you will if you use the perk correctly.

The other effects added onto Slippery Meat could also still work well with the one I proposed.

Up The Ante:

The new idea for Up The Ante is:

"Start the trial with 3 tokens. While you are in the First Hook Stage, press the Active Ability button to spend one token. Doing this grants you a 7% chance of being granted the ability to Self-Unhook.

While within 96 meters of a hooked Survivor in the First Hook Stage and facing in their direction, press the Active Ability button to spend one token and grant them a 7% chance of being granted the ability to Self-Unhook.

I picture the animation being something similar to the snapping that a survivor does to wake someone up. Anyway, this is likely the best idea I've got on saving Up The Ante. Yes, the overall odds are worse for unhooking yourself, but again, it has to be this way since you suffer no penalty for failed attempts.

Luck Offerings:

Here's the idea:

For Personal Offerings: "When you are hooked for the first time, you have a 1%/2%/3% chance of being granted the ability to Self-Unhook."

For Group Offerings that affect all survivors: "For all survivors, when you are hooked for the first time, you have a 1%/2%/3% chance of being granted the ability to Self-Unhook."

I don't think the numbers really have to change for the offerings since the classic three unhook attempt approach is gone now.

Argument: What about the go-next epidemic?

Overall, the changes I've suggested further reduce the likelihood of someone attempting to go-next in late 2026 and onward. The classic 4% chance of unhooking with three attempts is gone. Six attempts of unhooking with old Slippery Meat is gone. Three attempts with Up The Ante is gone, and so on.

Closing:

It's been fun using the luck build for as long as I have. Hopefully other luck build enthusiasts feel the same way. Regardless of what happens next, it's been a good run.

Thanks,

icemancat

Perk tiers should've been removed all together long ago if you want to reduce grind and help new players.

it would be EXTREMELY handy if we could use NUMPad or numbers 3-0 on keyboard for quick emotes

Not sure if it's a bug and you ARE suppose to get a med kit when you rummage but currently I have gotten a tool box and a map, not a med kit.

That being said, one of the lowest pick rate perks in the entire game was forgotten about amidst the many buffs and reworks: Scourge Hook Hangman’s Trick. After seeing perks like Undone and NBM be brought out of the depths of obscurity, I was really hopeful to see Hangman’s finally not stink. I’m perhaps biased in my desire to see this perk changed because I’m a Pig enthusiast, however I do think it’s deserving of some kind of tweak because it’s the worst Scourge Hook in the game.

In my opinion, increase the default amount of Scourge Hooks and Chests to at least six. It would also be nice to remove the Coin Offering since no one uses them anyway and they are just wasted slots but I think a Bloodweb Rework is something for later and now a better placement for these two features would be nice.

My largest feedback is that I want more Slots, or a second page. I want to be able to use all of the phrases made because all of them are super useful!

I hate that I have to decide between choosing informative, gameplay/action-driven phrases like "Hex!" and "Boon!" or "Gate!" versus friendly social phrases like "Thanks" and "Nice".

I would love to see a second page of the intent wheel :)

Additionally, "Damn!" immediately like it could be used to BM or insult people. Spam it at teammates while sandbagging them. I don't like the potential BM with this chat option.

Just have "Perks" be a choice, then once you select the "Perks" choice in the player intent wheel, it opens another wheel where you pick one of your 4 perks to send as a message. It would be such a simple but extremely valuable addition to the system that I really hope doesn't get overlooked.

For example, when a killer mind game by doubling back around a wall, or even just breaking line of sight for slightly more than a few seconds at a maze tile or a tall loop (which happens all the time naturally), the game will often register the chase as having ended and re-entered again, causing the new effect of Premonition (aura reading on killer) or Cross-Examination's elusive to trigger. These scenarios should not be the intended effect of the designs.

Another example on the killer's perk's side, Play with Your Food can be stacked too easily without actually breaking chase at all (meaning the killer is in fact still chasing the same survivor, but since the chase mechanic currently is too easy to abuse, it's too easy to force a chase to end and restart by certain techniques, both on the killer and survivor's side).

The solution I propose: Add a longer grace period after the chase condition is not met for the game to actually register an escape, like 5~10 more seconds for a chase event to linger before it ends. This will prevent these unintended interactions with perks, prevent abuses and free up design space, while reserving a chase end event for when a chase has genuinely ended and the killer has left.

I think this is a bit offputting, as the least interesting cosmetics (default cosmetic recolors) are now placed at the top of every character's Store page.

I think the sort order should return to descending order before PTB goes to live.

The issue was: "When equipping the Pink Coat torso cosmetic with multiple pants cosmetics, the Coat's shirt is visibly clipping through the pants cosmetics."

My proposed solution for this problem was simple: "When equipping the Pink Coat torso cosmetic with any pants cosmetics, the shirt should remain properly tucked into the pants (behind the belt) without clipping or intersecting with the pants."

Now, in this current PTB, the issue has been made worse.

The shirt now has a bulge at the end, and therefore the shirt goes ABOVE the belt buckle, making it look ridiculous and the American Flag, the golden belt buckle etc. are hidden behind the shirt. Please, please don't ruin this cosmetic like this. Make it so that the shirt gets tucked into the pants, behind the belt, except for those pants that do not have a belt to begin with. The solution was so simple, please don't make this go live like that. This is worse than a clipping cosmetic honestly.

My initial BetaHUB report: https://app.betahub.io/projects/pr-5642738318/issues/2828

The long-awaited day has finally arrived for the perk most dreaded by the killer community—the very one preventing them from getting a 4k every single match and jeopardizing their 200-game win streaks.
Surely, that must be it.

Just like the problem back in the day was DH, DS, Adrenaline, Sprint Burst, Hope, MfT, Distortion, CoH, Deliverance, Vigil, Fast Track, Iron Will, Spine Chill, Self-Care, StB (nuked in this patch), etc... now, what a coincidence, the issue is suddenly a simple info perk.
That’s definitely why they're losing games, no need to panic.

Are survivors even allowed to exist in this game, or do we have to tax the very air they breathe just because some 15k-hour full-time streamer claimed they lose those three matches a month because of WoO, so action had to be taken? What’s next, limiting survivors to three perks each?

WoO is now borderline useless. Knowing window spawns is essentially pointless since they always spawn in the exact same spots in main buildings and tiles. Replacing it with Five Moves Ahead isn’t the same thing either: the perk goes on an absurdly long cooldown during a chase, has a shorter range, and completely prevents windows aura reading. Long story short, even running both together won’t come close to what it used to be.

You managed to deliver a direct slap in the face to both beginners—who struggle the most with map knowledge—and the entire SoloQ player base, which now has zero visual info on whether resources have been burned.

Bravo on the timing and the execution, truly a masterclass move.