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If You Don't Like Being Insulted/Mocked Every Match, Play Another Game
As you see, BHVR has officially announced that toxicity doesn't exist in-game and smack talk is just fine. They don't care about your feelings of humiliation or frustration and in fact couldn't care less about how the community makes you feel (unless there's a racial dimension in which case they care deeply about making it a space for everyone).
In other words, stop moaning and enjoy being teabagged, getting told by flashlight macro users that they are trying to give people seizures, and insulted in chat. It's inevitable after all! Nothing BHVR could do :)
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Welcome to online pvp where your feelings don't matter.
This isn't just dbd. This is every online pvp. And like Mandy said smack talk is allowed to an extent. You make something like that bannable just for saying "gg ez" then all of a sudden everyone is banned.
If you can't handle the smallest amount of toxicity then go back to single player games.
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I honestly don't want to live in a world where smack talk is bannable. At some point, it is a matter of growing a thicker skin. Nor BHVR, nor any company in the world should be able to dictate that you can't say some variation of "kindly, piss off". You should be able to handle such a comment too. Sticks and stones, and all that. Actual slurs are way further up that spectrum, becoming far more than just smack talk.
Physical issues such as epilepsy are another matter entirely. This was in reference to clicking a flashlight to attract attention or to poke a little fun. I see no possible way they don't care about their players suffering real and dangerous effects caused by another player with that express purpose.
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Even in Dark Souls where you have no chat and can not tbag people found ways to insult each other.
Mandy said it and it is quit true that any PvP game will have this kind of "toxicity". There is no way to prevent it even in a system without any direct communication or insulting gestures.
Also you are blaming the wrong person. Do not blame BHVR, blame the toxic persons and their bad manner. Nothing stops you from snapping back at them as long as you know how. Somebody wrote "lol tunnler"? How about: "Weaklings die, big deal." Somebody writes "babykiller gg ez", just leave or write "sorry, I only try hard against good survivors", "Nah, you are just not interesting enough for an A game", "sorry, the episode of Jojos was demanding my attention".
Real hate speech such as death treads and when people tell you to commit suicide can be reported. And people who insult your mother are usually 12 and not worth your time.
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Most people aren't talking about 'gg ez'. They're talking about people telling people to Entity themselves. Or swearing at them. Or telling them to uninstall because they're <censored> and <censored>.
Or that one time someone told me my mother should have aborted me, because I was 'slugging'. (He crawled into a corner with Iron Will while I chased his buddy attempting a flashlight save, but it was clearly my fault because a Survivor said it was my fault).
There's a clear line between 'smack talk' and 'should be banned' that the devs are too lazy to enforce.
You know how I know? Other games have better moderation and they have not 'banned everyone'. So it's not some slippery slope BS; It's just the devs being too lazy to moderate the game.
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Agreed. But add Bubba with claudettes facemask and it suddenly becomes a major problem
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Did anyone expect BHVR to make these things punishable? The only issue i think that BHVR needs to address is the flash light seizure thing , flash light should have a tiny 0.5-1 second cooldown preventing them from being spammed too fast.
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Yesterday I've seen a streamer getting DDoSed and getting death threats.
Today I've seen 2 threads about people giving up, because the game is to toxic.
Player count on steam has shrunk every single month since the last anniversary.
But sure, let's ignore how toxic the community has become. What could possibly go wrong?
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smallest amount of toxicity
If you think dbd has only smallest amount of toxicity, then you play only KYF.
Noone cares about "gg ez" and that is actually really rare to see in dbd, almost noone says that. Probably because it's too short for them, not enough impact.
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Yeah, play Civilization.
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Idk, I'm been called racial and homophobic slurs in the chat. reported them. No one gives a #########.
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Can you remove end-game chat on PC?
On PS5 I just make my profile impossible to msg unless you are a friend and I don't allow friend requests. Simple as that, no chat no toxic BS from others. Seems pretty easy to avoid with the tools at hand.
That doesn't mean I think it should be allowed, real hate speech and all that but I have no idea how anyone sees messages if they don't want to.
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Toxicity has indeed lost all of it's meaning, just like tunneling / genrushing and other funny word player use to vent their anger or ignore their mistake.
But that doesn't mean we should discard it's intended use in normal circumstance.
It may only be my personnal opinion, but every single thing listed by Mandy is toxic, just to different level of severity. Do we need to punish every instance of toxic behavior? No, just like you wouldn't go see the authority if someone call you a "baby driver" when you are outside.
And after all, how often do these action / words affect you by themselves? i'm pretty sure that most of the time, player don't get humiliated / frustrated because they got tbagged/camped, they most of the time, feel that way because those acts feed into our already present negative emotion.
Let's take an example from argulment sake: If A insult B in the post game chat after A got outplayed at every turn, B will most likely be laughing at A for going that far. But what if it was A that outplayed B? It will probably have a bigger impact because B feel bad enough with the loss he just endured.
What i mean by that, is that, while some of the more severe toxic act should be punished, in the end, maybe the minor act of toxicity only exist because player let them freely enter their mind and influence them.
If we look at the late 2000's online video game, while tbagging and other minor toxic behavior rampaged nearly just as much as today, we weren't hearing as much complain about it.
Is it because less player were complaining on forum? Probably, chatting online with stranger wasn't as wide spread as today.
Is it because those type of behavior were sanctionned quicker? It may also be true, lobby were small back then so it was highly possible that an admin in a server owned by players did their own justice.
But i think it has to do with the fact that back then, way less player did their utmost to win, video game where still considered a GAME, not a competition where you need to prove your worth at every turn.
So maybe the hidden problem with toxicity isn't the act themselves, it's the mindset every player is forced to adopt with modern online pvp game.
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It extends further then gg ez obviously. For the most part it is I hate how you played or you played like trash.
I never said dbd has the smallest amount of toxicity. I simply stated that if you can't handle the smallest amount of it then you should play a single player game.
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If you click the chat button it closes the little window so you don't see lobby messages. The setting isn't remembered though, so even if you close it before a match it defaults to open at the end.
One solution is just giving players option to turn it off entirely.
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It remembers for me. If I close it, it stays closed till I open it. Even months later.
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Yeah, that's fair. I don't talk trash like ggez she stuff like that. I'll make fun of people for their tired meta load outs but that's about it. Excepting folks telling me to commit self harm I don't really mind.
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Toxicity comes with playing any PvP game, it's not just DbD. There's not much you can do about it.
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While I do think that people need to grow some skin, it is (and I have) overlooked that the game itself seeks to start said conversation with you by posting it in your face (Chat is enabled by default for PC and visible even if you only want to check post-Trial stats) rather than you seeking out communication and then getting #########-on (like Console).
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But they are right? Your opponent can have irritating playstyle but survivors and killers are not supposed to be friends. If people can learn to not read chats or BVHR could understand that basic commands for GGs and such are better than allowing people to write, then toxicity is gone from the game only annoying playstyles are left and we can live with that surley.
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I mean, if you are easily offended by ingame-behavior, you should not play any Onlinegame in the first place. In every game you will get some form of disrespect, either in Chat or via gameplay actions. Like, I got insulted in several ways in World of Tanks from funny things like "Your flag looks like a christmas present" when I was using the Flag of the Central African Republic (because it indeed looks funny) to things that are not nice from people who are way too far on the right side of politics and play a game where you can play German tanks because they are "patriots"...
It is nothing which is unique to DBD. What I have noticed in the DBD-Community tho is that players heavily try to copy Streamers or Content Creators in general, either with their opinions or with some actions. But what is unique is that most of those players skip the step of being good. Then you have some Nea following you around the whole time with a Flashlight, just to get grabbed while trying a CJ-Tech or going down in 15 seconds.
I would also not consider ingame-actions toxic for the most part, the word "toxic" really lost all its meaning in this game. Dont like something the other side have done? Just call it toxic.
And IMO, Killers have way more ways to make the game annoying for the other side. Survivors can teabag and click their Flashlight, but this does not prevent the Killer from playing or winning the game. Killers however can make it impossible for Survivors to play by facecamping as Bubba for example. The difference is that the Community parrots that one of those is a "strategy".
But overall - if you are easily offended by others spamming a crouch-button or telling you that you are stupid, stick to singleplayer-games. Because this happens in every Onlinegame.
(The only difference from those are hateful slurs, like racist or homophobic stuff. This does not have any place anywhere in social interaction, but sadly I cannot say that everything gets banned, since both the player who said that they tunneled me because of my F-Word Charm and the one who said some really racist thing are still playing the game, despite being reported with Screenshots to the Support...)
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Racial slurs are in a lot of online games. And since if something is common in online games that makes it ok, that means racial slurs are ok too. If we want to follow the logic of BHVR and most posters here. So it's really perplexing they removed a way to do something they themselves condone and encourage.
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I don't understand how anyone can have the mentality that treating other people like crap should just be accepted and excused in any situation. You know, it is possible to actually be good at a game and play that game without behaving like a ten year old with attitude
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filtered
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2 things:
- i very highly doubt you get harrassed in end chat that much. toxic people exist, yes, but they are not a majority of this player base - not at all. i am quite confident in saying that i think most of your chats are either completely empty or only include some people saying "ggs" before they quit - but those are boring, so you dont remember them like you do when you actually do get a toxic group that trashtalks you.
- in the rare case that you actually do get trashtalked a majority of your games and you barely ever see nice chats: just turn chat off. why do you keep willingly exposing yourself to this, when you always have the option to just turn it off yourself? also, you might want to look into your gameplay a bit here - like it said, a vast majority of people arent inherently toxic, so if they are to you that means they probaply got provoked by you earlier.
also how do you picture BHVR just "fixing" the mindset of those players?
thats literally nothing they have control over - and they certainly wont (and shouldnt) ban people for saying something like "gg ez" or "git gud".
the best way of handling toxicity is to not get provoked by it. easier said than done, i know, but thats something you'll have to work on (and that doesnt count just for DbD, its a general thing). dont take it that serious, in this case its really just a game.
and just to make things clear:
i am not condoning any form of actual insults or harassment. if players get genuinely insulting towards you, people close to you or wish terrible things to happen to you / your loved ones, such behavior is inexcusable. you have all right to be upset over people like that and you should definitely report them for it. the Devs do take such reports very serious and will ban players for such comments.
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Other games are going to be the same exact thing with different dressing. I prefer the toxicity here because it comes from my opponents instead of my teammates. To me, that is preferable so that I do not feel like throwing games just to spite some clown that probably loses the majority of their games regardless.
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Wait, who cares about toxic people anyway? If they teabag or stuff I don't give a #########. If they will insult me in chat I also don't give a #########. I don't even reply to them. You give them too many importance.
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