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I can't understand why developers don't nerf the Nurse.

This is way too much for every survivor.
None of 1 rank users can run away from nurse. (if they do, the nurse is definitely noob)
The 2 blink is super op, and the 3 blink is insane.

Almost every time I meet the nurse, survivors are easily get rekt.
I know I can do stealth mechanism, but this rarely works if the nurse uses whisper.

Especially the knockout nurse is toxic to this game.
I don't get why developers just ignore this cancer sh1t.

If devs saw what is going on in Korean high ranks, they would have nerf the nurse immediately.

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  • DarkGGhost
    DarkGGhost Member Posts: 1,072

    right now the killer that need to fix is legion and Freddy after them maybe it's time for nurse

  • Killmaster
    Killmaster Member Posts: 429

    Nurse needs to be BLIND during her BLINK, this gives survivor's a chance to juke her. It's the easiest balance fix, since she technically is teleporting she shouldn't be able to see while moving.

  • rapido
    rapido Member Posts: 11

    @Orion said:
    Maybe the problem is that you're treating the Nurse like any other loopable Killer. Try actually adapting to what she can do.

    I mentioned it on my post.
    Didn't you see what I think about nurse?
    I don't even think about pallet looping.
    The stealth is only thing the survivors can do, but it rarely works.
    the game is not up to survivor's technique when the killer is nurse. That's the point I want to talk.

  • xChrisx
    xChrisx Member Posts: 917
    Yeah if she's good there is literally nothing u can do, that's why from 3 months in this part i suicide on the hook against her. So boring and unfair as killer, no counter at all. They have to remove 1 blink and make a second blink as red addon
  • rapido
    rapido Member Posts: 11

    @PolarBear said:
    The nurse moves slower than survivors so she has to blink, use it to your advantage. Make it difficult for them to predict your movement. Block line of sight with her, move unpredictably. You can even jump in lockers to avoid being hit since she will get stunned before she can search the locker.

    I know that basic technique when the killer is nurse.
    This is not about how to get away from nurse, because she completely doesn't make sense.
    I'm playing this game in Korean server.
    I'm 1 rank and I think almost every 1 rank user would think exactly same with me.

  • rapido
    rapido Member Posts: 11

    @Orion said:

    @rapido said:

    @Orion said:
    Maybe the problem is that you're treating the Nurse like any other loopable Killer. Try actually adapting to what she can do.

    I mentioned it on my post.
    Didn't you see what I think about nurse?
    I don't even think about pallet looping.
    The stealth is only thing the survivors can do, but it rarely works.
    the game is not up to survivor's technique when the killer is nurse. That's the point I want to talk.

    I read your post, but it is a fact that most Survivors don't really know how to stealth. You're not as good as you think you are because you're used to looping.
    The Nurse is fine, good Survivors don't have any problem winning against her. And yes, she does put the power in the Killer's hands, just as it should be in an asymmetrical game. The fact that you think this is a problem says a lot about you.

    LOL, good survivor can run away from Nurse?
    I told you, it's not up to survivor's technique.
    Even the best survivors (5000+ hours) say nurse is literally insane.

  • Orion
    Orion Member Posts: 21,675

    @rapido said:

    @Orion said:

    @rapido said:

    @Orion said:
    Maybe the problem is that you're treating the Nurse like any other loopable Killer. Try actually adapting to what she can do.

    I mentioned it on my post.
    Didn't you see what I think about nurse?
    I don't even think about pallet looping.
    The stealth is only thing the survivors can do, but it rarely works.
    the game is not up to survivor's technique when the killer is nurse. That's the point I want to talk.

    I read your post, but it is a fact that most Survivors don't really know how to stealth. You're not as good as you think you are because you're used to looping.
    The Nurse is fine, good Survivors don't have any problem winning against her. And yes, she does put the power in the Killer's hands, just as it should be in an asymmetrical game. The fact that you think this is a problem says a lot about you.

    LOL, good survivor can run away from Nurse?
    I told you, it's not up to survivor's technique.
    Even the best survivors (5000+ hours) say nurse is literally insane.

    And I told you, it is. Hours don't make you good at the game, especially when all you do is loop. You've never had to learn proper gameplay like stealth or mind games.

  • SadonicShadow
    SadonicShadow Member Posts: 1,146

    I just played a game as nurse on yamaoka estate where i got 2 kills and 2 escapes. The survivors were really good at running me around. They knew how to break line of sight and waste my time while also very good at hitting the gens. They outplayed me and i lost. Its not impossible to win against the nurse you just have to be better than her at mind games. Nurse separates the mediocre survivors from the truly good ones because she removes the brain dead play style of looping and enables a skillful chase between both parties.

  • SadonicShadow
    SadonicShadow Member Posts: 1,146

    @DocOctober said:

    @Killmaster said:
    Nurse needs to be BLIND during her BLINK, this gives survivor's a chance to juke her. It's the easiest balance fix, since she technically is teleporting she shouldn't be able to see while moving.

    If you're trolling, at least put more effort into it.

    Killmaster made a dumbass suggestion like this a few months back in a different thread. I dont think he is trolling.

  • DocOctober
    DocOctober Member Posts: 2,230

    @SadonicShadow said:

    @DocOctober said:

    @Killmaster said:
    Nurse needs to be BLIND during her BLINK, this gives survivor's a chance to juke her. It's the easiest balance fix, since she technically is teleporting she shouldn't be able to see while moving.

    If you're trolling, at least put more effort into it.

    Killmaster made a dumbass suggestion like this a few months back in a different thread. I dont think he is trolling.

    I didn't think so either, but I still like to give them the chance.

  • ShyN3ko
    ShyN3ko Member Posts: 1,616

    The nurse is the only killer with skill impact.
    That mean, if the nurse player have enough skill, she can win the game.
    All other killer can still lose the game, if the survivor have enough skill.
    And it doesnt matter how much skill the killer has.
    If the survivors outplay the killer ability, then the killer will lose the game.
    Every time.

  • JammyJewels
    JammyJewels Member Posts: 611
    She’s an incredibly high skill cap killer. If a killer is OP using her it’s because the player has practiced using one of the more difficult powersets in the game. They earned their 4Ks.
  • xXNurseXx
    xXNurseXx Member Posts: 261

    even if im a nurse main i have to say youre right @OP.
    all the things you guys mentioned work against bad nurses.

    if you ever play against a god nurse youre just dead when she finds you.
    i will leave a past broadcast from zubatlel here to show how broken she is when played right:

    https://www.twitch.tv/videos/359331946?t=04h24m02s

    easy fix to balance nurses: rework her addons, make her power time based (like spirit & legion) and drastically reduce the range of the blinks.

    but i think the game needs at least 1 killer which is completely OP and broken. if i come home from work i just want to get my easy 4 kills without dealing with loops or even caring about perks like dstrike or insta heals. all these things doesnt matter against nurses. thats the reason i love and main her. even if its sometimes boring to know i will just easily 4k this round

    and i dont want to be rude but you also have to think, that devs think shes balanced because theyre really bad in their own game. ofc if they play nurse they wont get any hooks and if they play against nurses (rank 15-20) they escape every time against them. theres a dev who is streaming from time to time and she says she loves to play against nurses. but she never plays against god nurses so ofc i would say this killer is fun to play against if the nurse player is not so good.

  • rapido
    rapido Member Posts: 11

    @Orion said:

    @rapido said:

    @Orion said:
    Maybe the problem is that you're treating the Nurse like any other loopable Killer. Try actually adapting to what she can do.

    I mentioned it on my post.
    Didn't you see what I think about nurse?
    I don't even think about pallet looping.
    The stealth is only thing the survivors can do, but it rarely works.
    the game is not up to survivor's technique when the killer is nurse. That's the point I want to talk.

    I read your post, but it is a fact that most Survivors don't really know how to stealth. You're not as good as you think you are because you're used to looping.
    The Nurse is fine, good Survivors don't have any problem winning against her. And yes, she does put the power in the Killer's hands, just as it should be in an asymmetrical game. The fact that you think this is a problem says a lot about you.
    @Orion said:

    @rapido said:

    @Orion said:
    Maybe the problem is that you're treating the Nurse like any other loopable Killer. Try actually adapting to what she can do.

    I mentioned it on my post.
    Didn't you see what I think about nurse?
    I don't even think about pallet looping.
    The stealth is only thing the survivors can do, but it rarely works.
    the game is not up to survivor's technique when the killer is nurse. That's the point I want to talk.

    I read your post, but it is a fact that most Survivors don't really know how to stealth. You're not as good as you think you are because you're used to looping.
    The Nurse is fine, good Survivors don't have any problem winning against her. And yes, she does put the power in the Killer's hands, just as it should be in an asymmetrical game. The fact that you think this is a problem says a lot about you.

    LOL that user is the best player in 1 rank who is everybody agree with it.
    Please don't treat me as 100+ hours easy noob.
    What kind of mind game do you mean?
    You can't do mind game when the killer is nurse.
    Mind game is basically need the factor that you can run away from killer.

  • Orion
    Orion Member Posts: 21,675

    @rapido said:
    LOL that user is the best player in 1 rank who is everybody agree with it.
    Please don't treat me as 100+ hours easy noob.
    What kind of mind game do you mean?
    You can't do mind game when the killer is nurse.
    Mind game is basically need the factor that you can run away from killer.

    Then that player is still not that good. The Nurse is the very best Killer, if the player is also very good. That means that she requires Survivors who are equally good. If you lose to the Nurse, then you're just not as good as the player using her.

  • rapido
    rapido Member Posts: 11

    @SadonicShadow said:
    I just played a game as nurse on yamaoka estate where i got 2 kills and 2 escapes. The survivors were really good at running me around. They knew how to break line of sight and waste my time while also very good at hitting the gens. They outplayed me and i lost. Its not impossible to win against the nurse you just have to be better than her at mind games. Nurse separates the mediocre survivors from the truly good ones because she removes the brain dead play style of looping and enables a skillful chase between both parties.

    I think you are not good at nurse enough.

  • Hoodied
    Hoodied Member Posts: 13,020

    @rapido said:
    This is way too much for every survivor.
    None of 1 rank users can run away from nurse. (if they do, the nurse is definitely noob)
    The 2 blink is super op, and the 3 blink is insane.

    Almost every time I meet the nurse, survivors are easily get rekt.
    I know I can do stealth mechanism, but this rarely works if the nurse uses whisper.

    Especially the knockout nurse is toxic to this game.
    I don't get why developers just ignore this cancer sh1t.

    If devs saw what is going on in Korean high ranks, they would have nerf the nurse immediately.

    because nurse is hard to learn, nerfing nurse can make her either a shitter version of freddy and of course my favorite, any nerf to the blink will lead to a buff to the blink

  • SadonicShadow
    SadonicShadow Member Posts: 1,146

    @rapido said:

    @SadonicShadow said:
    I just played a game as nurse on yamaoka estate where i got 2 kills and 2 escapes. The survivors were really good at running me around. They knew how to break line of sight and waste my time while also very good at hitting the gens. They outplayed me and i lost. Its not impossible to win against the nurse you just have to be better than her at mind games. Nurse separates the mediocre survivors from the truly good ones because she removes the brain dead play style of looping and enables a skillful chase between both parties.

    I think you are not good at nurse enough.

    Maybe your right but i was getting consistent 4k's with 3k's once in a bluemoon. This is the first game i have had in awhile where i was defeated.

  • Hoodied
    Hoodied Member Posts: 13,020

    @xChrisx said:
    Yeah if she's good there is literally nothing u can do, that's why from 3 months in this part i suicide on the hook against her. So boring and unfair as killer, no counter at all. They have to remove 1 blink and make a second blink as red addon

    removing 1 blink will make her add-on reliant like legion and become one of the worst killers in the game

  • rapido
    rapido Member Posts: 11
    edited January 2019

    @Orion said:

    @rapido said:
    LOL that user is the best player in 1 rank who is everybody agree with it.
    Please don't treat me as 100+ hours easy noob.
    What kind of mind game do you mean?
    You can't do mind game when the killer is nurse.
    Mind game is basically need the factor that you can run away from killer.

    Then that player is still not that good. The Nurse is the very best Killer, if the player is also very good. That means that she requires Survivors who are equally good. If you lose to the Nurse, then you're just not as good as the player using her.

    Your logic is keep trying to say that the reason they got slaughtered is bad skill of survivors.
    You don't understand how OP nurse is.

    watch an example ( in this video, all they are highly skilled survivors. The reason they are low rank is there was recent rank refresh.) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orrt2qZU_gs

  • Orion
    Orion Member Posts: 21,675

    @rapido said:

    @Orion said:

    @rapido said:
    LOL that user is the best player in 1 rank who is everybody agree with it.
    Please don't treat me as 100+ hours easy noob.
    What kind of mind game do you mean?
    You can't do mind game when the killer is nurse.
    Mind game is basically need the factor that you can run away from killer.

    Then that player is still not that good. The Nurse is the very best Killer, if the player is also very good. That means that she requires Survivors who are equally good. If you lose to the Nurse, then you're just not as good as the player using her.

    Your logic is keep trying to say that the reason they got slaughtered is bad skill of survivors.
    You don't understand how OP nurse is.

    watch an example ( in this video, all they are highly skilled survivors. The reason they are low rank is there was recent rank refresh.) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orrt2qZU_gs

    My logic is that the Nurse loses when the person playing her is worse than the Survivors, and the Nurse wins when the person playing her is better than the Survivors. Your logic is like saying that if I lose against my kiosanim (yes, I practice Taekwondo), it's not because I'm worse than him or because he's better than me, but rather because he's cheating in some way.

  • rapido
    rapido Member Posts: 11

    @SadonicShadow said:

    @Orion said:

    @SadonicShadow said:

    @rapido said:

    @SadonicShadow said:
    I just played a game as nurse on yamaoka estate where i got 2 kills and 2 escapes. The survivors were really good at running me around. They knew how to break line of sight and waste my time while also very good at hitting the gens. They outplayed me and i lost. Its not impossible to win against the nurse you just have to be better than her at mind games. Nurse separates the mediocre survivors from the truly good ones because she removes the brain dead play style of looping and enables a skillful chase between both parties.

    I think you are not good at nurse enough.

    Maybe your right but i was getting consistent 4k's with 3k's once in a bluemoon. This is the first game i have had in awhile where i was defeated.

    Obviously, if you lose, it's because of your lack of skill, but if you win, it's because the Nurse is broken. You can't win because of skill, everyone knows that.

    The double standard is crazy. People just cant seem to fathom that its possible to beat a nurse.

    Yeah, I win nurse sometimes.
    But then I realize that the reason I could escape was not survivors good teamwork or skill things but the nurse is not good enough.
    If you can't get 4 kill with nurse, you are just not good at nurse. Because it's like a god character.

  • Hoodied
    Hoodied Member Posts: 13,020

    @rapido said:

    @SadonicShadow said:

    @Orion said:

    @SadonicShadow said:

    @rapido said:

    @SadonicShadow said:
    I just played a game as nurse on yamaoka estate where i got 2 kills and 2 escapes. The survivors were really good at running me around. They knew how to break line of sight and waste my time while also very good at hitting the gens. They outplayed me and i lost. Its not impossible to win against the nurse you just have to be better than her at mind games. Nurse separates the mediocre survivors from the truly good ones because she removes the brain dead play style of looping and enables a skillful chase between both parties.

    I think you are not good at nurse enough.

    Maybe your right but i was getting consistent 4k's with 3k's once in a bluemoon. This is the first game i have had in awhile where i was defeated.

    Obviously, if you lose, it's because of your lack of skill, but if you win, it's because the Nurse is broken. You can't win because of skill, everyone knows that.

    The double standard is crazy. People just cant seem to fathom that its possible to beat a nurse.

    Yeah, I win nurse sometimes.
    But then I realize that the reason I could escape was not survivors good teamwork or skill things but the nurse is not good enough.
    If you can't get 4 kill with nurse, you are just not good at nurse. Because it's like a god character.

    90% of the time nurses don't always get 4ks you know right,

  • rapido
    rapido Member Posts: 11

    @Orion said:

    @rapido said:

    @Orion said:

    @rapido said:
    LOL that user is the best player in 1 rank who is everybody agree with it.
    Please don't treat me as 100+ hours easy noob.
    What kind of mind game do you mean?
    You can't do mind game when the killer is nurse.
    Mind game is basically need the factor that you can run away from killer.

    Then that player is still not that good. The Nurse is the very best Killer, if the player is also very good. That means that she requires Survivors who are equally good. If you lose to the Nurse, then you're just not as good as the player using her.

    Your logic is keep trying to say that the reason they got slaughtered is bad skill of survivors.
    You don't understand how OP nurse is.

    watch an example ( in this video, all they are highly skilled survivors. The reason they are low rank is there was recent rank refresh.) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orrt2qZU_gs

    My logic is that the Nurse loses when the person playing her is worse than the Survivors, and the Nurse wins when the person playing her is better than the Survivors. Your logic is like saying that if I lose against my kiosanim (yes, I practice Taekwondo), it's not because I'm worse than him or because he's better than me, but rather because he's cheating in some way.

    Well, I think this argument would go forever.
    Korean DBD community is same with my opinion.
    Then I just wanted to know what English users are thinking about this.

  • rapido
    rapido Member Posts: 11
    edited January 2019

    @ToxicFengM1n said:

    @rapido said:

    @SadonicShadow said:

    @Orion said:

    @SadonicShadow said:

    @rapido said:

    @SadonicShadow said:
    I just played a game as nurse on yamaoka estate where i got 2 kills and 2 escapes. The survivors were really good at running me around. They knew how to break line of sight and waste my time while also very good at hitting the gens. They outplayed me and i lost. Its not impossible to win against the nurse you just have to be better than her at mind games. Nurse separates the mediocre survivors from the truly good ones because she removes the brain dead play style of looping and enables a skillful chase between both parties.

    I think you are not good at nurse enough.

    Maybe your right but i was getting consistent 4k's with 3k's once in a bluemoon. This is the first game i have had in awhile where i was defeated.

    Obviously, if you lose, it's because of your lack of skill, but if you win, it's because the Nurse is broken. You can't win because of skill, everyone knows that.

    The double standard is crazy. People just cant seem to fathom that its possible to beat a nurse.

    Yeah, I win nurse sometimes.
    But then I realize that the reason I could escape was not survivors good teamwork or skill things but the nurse is not good enough.
    If you can't get 4 kill with nurse, you are just not good at nurse. Because it's like a god character.

    90% of the time nurses don't always get 4ks you know right,

    Have you ever met Nurse who is using Knockout, without hooking?
    You can't say that if you've met.
    And this is the routine of Asian 1 rank game.

  • Hoodied
    Hoodied Member Posts: 13,020

    @rapido said:

    @ToxicFengM1n said:

    @rapido said:

    @SadonicShadow said:

    @Orion said:

    @SadonicShadow said:

    @rapido said:

    @SadonicShadow said:
    I just played a game as nurse on yamaoka estate where i got 2 kills and 2 escapes. The survivors were really good at running me around. They knew how to break line of sight and waste my time while also very good at hitting the gens. They outplayed me and i lost. Its not impossible to win against the nurse you just have to be better than her at mind games. Nurse separates the mediocre survivors from the truly good ones because she removes the brain dead play style of looping and enables a skillful chase between both parties.

    I think you are not good at nurse enough.

    Maybe your right but i was getting consistent 4k's with 3k's once in a bluemoon. This is the first game i have had in awhile where i was defeated.

    Obviously, if you lose, it's because of your lack of skill, but if you win, it's because the Nurse is broken. You can't win because of skill, everyone knows that.

    The double standard is crazy. People just cant seem to fathom that its possible to beat a nurse.

    Yeah, I win nurse sometimes.
    But then I realize that the reason I could escape was not survivors good teamwork or skill things but the nurse is not good enough.
    If you can't get 4 kill with nurse, you are just not good at nurse. Because it's like a god character.

    90% of the time nurses don't always get 4ks you know right,

    Have you ever met Nurse who is using Knockout, without hooking?
    You can't say that if you've met.
    And this is the routine of Asian 1 rank game.

    have you ever met unbreakable and aura perks clearly you haven't

  • Delfador
    Delfador Member Posts: 2,552

    The only thing that is unbalanced about the nurse is omegablink. Base nurse has good counters and even good players lose with the nurse sometimes.

    Omegablink is another dimension though. All of the counters to the nurse becomes irrelevant at that point.

  • DarkGGhost
    DarkGGhost Member Posts: 1,072

    May ask you something if you and the other 3 survivors play perfectly without one mistake and you don't face a nurse is it possible to win every game no matter what?

  • dannyfrog87
    dannyfrog87 Member Posts: 568

    all this bullshit about nerfing the nurse. no shes fine as is. has massive skill to be good with her. ive wrecked plenty of noob nurses i was against a nurse even with bad ping we still wrecked her and all escaped so you know what i mean? more killers should be viable like her.

  • DarkGGhost
    DarkGGhost Member Posts: 1,072

    @dannyfrog87 said:
    all this bullshit about nerfing the nurse. no shes fine as is. has massive skill to be good with her. ive wrecked plenty of noob nurses i was against a nurse even with bad ping we still wrecked her and all escaped so you know what i mean? more killers should be viable like her.

    yes but then most survivors will need to learn the game and play.

  • Mister_Holdout
    Mister_Holdout Member Posts: 3,144

    Nurse gets a bad rep because many people play her with over-powered add ons.

    You don't encounter many of what I call "old school Nurses". These are Nurses that rarely use strong add ons. And most of the time they run BBQ, NC, Whispers, and Shadowborn.

    Even though skilled Nurses are difficult to verse, they can still be defeated. It just takes a lot of effort from the survivors. Nurse is the one killer that you can't dick around with. And survivors hate that.

  • IamFran
    IamFran Member Posts: 1,616

    I prefer playing against Nurses than against Myers, Hags or Billies. I prefer the stealth over pallet looping and the stealth is supposed to be the main Nurse weakness, at least playing ranks 10-7, which are the ranks I usually play.

  • ComelyStar
    ComelyStar Member Posts: 187
    edited January 2019

    Complaining about 2 blinks being insane when she used to have 3 by default and with add-ons almost every Nurse ended up having 5 blinks - enough to get from end of the map to the other lol
    Just tells you they are not only total noobs but also total newbies.

  • NoShinyPony
    NoShinyPony Member Posts: 4,570

    Some of her add-ons would need a nerf but not the nurse herself.

  • Skairipa
    Skairipa Member Posts: 255

    it's quite balanced imho, im main nurse but right now i rotate every killers ( also survivors ) and honestly the legion need a serious buff to being balanced

  • Acromio
    Acromio Member Posts: 1,737

    The Nurse is not op. She's never been op. She does what she was designed to do according to the devs' own stated design intent for her, namely forcing survivors to stop resorting to exploits to escape the killer. It's that simple. She doesn't need to be nerfed. If anything, she should be brought back to how she was originally, with 3 blinks and 115% movement speed as her baseline stats.

  • Madjura
    Madjura Member Posts: 2,460

    @rapido said:
    I know I can do stealth mechanism, but this rarely works if the nurse uses whisper.

    Especially the knockout nurse is toxic to this game.

    Whispers is terrible.

    Knock Out is the second worst perk in the game overall and worst killer perk.

    Git gud.