Can we finally nerf the ######### nurse?
So how long are devs okay with this game having COMPLETELY broken concepts?
No, she does not take "much skill", no she does not have counters, her counters are the nurse player being bad, that's basically it.
Yeah she's a true counter to the one and only 4% of players who play a super tryhard SWF claudette squad, that's not a reason for her to stay broken like this.
We all know why she's staying like this, the devs are MUCH to afraid of another reviewbomb.
I don't care if you mention Zubat or True or any DBD only players with 6k+ hours in this game, she'd be a joke on any REAL competent gamer who takes gaming seriously, lucky for us those ppl are not playing dead by daylight for a reason.
And no I'm not a survivor main, I barely play survivor, most of the time with my GF where nurse players aren't an issue because we're both somewhere at r15 due to veeery rarely playing this game together.
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Oh yeah and not to forget the strode house, it's completely broken, it should have 1 window on the top floor and 1 window on the bottom floor, that's it.
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No.
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Oh boy, not this arguement again but for your sake, I'll explain everything to you, again.
Nurse takes skill whether you believe it or not. Not only does the player has to memorize her normal blinks but also her add-ons that change her blinks if they want to dominate even more. Memory is just the first half of this killer since the other half is about execution, trust me, it's easier said than done. Even with a player who is a God status with her, there is still counter play such as breaking the chase during her fagutie or breaking line of sight to make her guess where you are at. Let's not also forget that she's a 95% (3.8m/s) movement speed killer and she has no tracking ability which makes stealth a huge counter to the nurse. Basically, you have to think like a Nurse player does in order to counter her so that's probably why you are getting destroyed by her.
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Nurse was created at a time when legit infinite’s were a thing.
Instead of fixing maps, they released a Killer that could counter every infinite at that time in the game.
She isn’t hard to play. It’s actually disgusting. But there are what? 14 Killers? If you hate playing the Nurse let her sacrifice you and go to the next match.
I hate the Nurse, but they aren’t going to nerf her any more than they already have.
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Nurse does need more counter play but she is far from being OP. Many streamers who play her will say it looks harder than it looks because you have to flick and predict after you learned her power.
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I never used OP once in my post.
But sure she only.
- Ignores every wall, line of sight breaker and pallet.
- Has an extremely short cooldown on her power compared to almost every other M2 Killer (Billy is the exception here)
- Can utilize all tracking perks as her base power ignores a core chase ender survivors have (pallets)
There are other things, but I think you get the point. I honestly don’t give a schnitzel about game balance anymore. But not calling water wet is pretty bold. Legion is still the most unfun Killer to play against, I would rather play the game breaking Nurse 100 games over than that pile of garbage once.
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I won't even read what you have to say Nickenzie, she's broken, end of discussion. It doesn't matter how much skill she takes according to you or streamers who play this game in a sick level of time, the character is absolutely broken by design and a mouthbreaking monkey can break the game with her after like 10 hours of practice.
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I never said or implied that you used "OP" in anyway. I said, "Nurse does need more counter play but she is far from being OP" to give you my general stance on the Nurse which is, she needs more counter play but I don't think she's OP currently.
Now about this here, I'll provide my rebuttal to this.
But sure she only.
- Ignores every wall, line of sight breaker and pallet.
Reasoning: She's a 95% movement speed killer, if she couldn't ignore these things then she will get looped indefinitely.
- Has an extremely short cooldown on her power compared to almost every other M2 Killer (Billy is the exception here)
Same thing with the reasoning above but I wouldn't be opposed to a cool down or longer fagutie duration. I'll talk about a possible rework to the Nurse later since I really do feel like she needs more counter play.
- Can utilize all tracking perks as her base power ignores a core chase ender survivors have (pallets)
Reasoning: BBQ is easily countered, Bitter Murmur is rarely used but if so just 99% the generator until she's distracted with something else, Rancor isn't an aura which means it doesn't pinpoint your exact location, and I don't think there's anymore tracking perks.
Rework:
I will be okay if Nurse's movement speed is increased to 110% with a 10 second cool-down on her blinks with the fagutie that comes with it. To compensate slightly, I'll like to see her auto-aim come back so newer players can pick her up more easily.
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Okie dokie. I'm not forcing you to.
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Only thing tht make her op is the amount of blinks she can add on one after another. You ever try blinding her when she gonna blink ?
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Baseline Nurse is fine, as brought up before she already requires a decent amount of practice and a good ability to predict survivors, what major strength she has in a chase she lacks in tracking. The only issue with Nurse is that out of all of her addons she has a lot of worthless ones and the few that are good are the ones that break her. Luckily, she is due to have her addons looked at anyways and it has been brought up that at some point they will look at her addons which whatever the new ones are should change the function of the blink rather than buff it.
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Some of her add-ons need adjustments, they are too powerful. Nurse herself is fine.
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The Nurse is indeed bullshit but not enough people are good enough with her to warrant a nerf.
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They won't nerf her because killer mains would kick up a fuss.
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Base Nurse is fine. I can't speak for her add-ons because I don't use them.
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If Nurse would have been released today, she would have some Downsides. Maybe not seeing Stratchmarks when charging a Blink?
Since Killer Mains indeed would riot if they would nerf one of the Top Tier Killers, this will not happen.
But lets say, they want to nerf something - they can nerf the Add-Ons, sure. Nurse does not need more than 2 Blinks. Nurse also does not need Omegablink. The overall concept of her might also be changed, but those would be quite heavy Nerfs. And I can imagine it would be hard to balance it in a way that she is not too weak afterwards and also be able to have some Nerfs AND to make Killer Mains happy.
Yeah, it will not gonna happen.
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@Aven_Fallen I'm killer main, if anything, and I'd be a hundred percent behind a nerf to Nurse. It's a difficult task, but I'm very much for bringing top and bottom tier killers closer together. Which basically means nerfing Nurse, and MAYBE Billy (just a light touch), and possibly buffing the rest; again, just a little.
What you're suggesting about scratch marks while charging (or while fatigued) by the way is a good approach... I think.
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yea cuz adrenawin, sb, insta heals, toolboxes, keys, ds before the nerf, 100 safe pallets and adding more after the patch, those are all fine by you survivor main? if you cannot counter nurse don't just dc but learn how to counter her.
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She's literally the most nerfed killer in the game and you're asking for more nerfs?
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Naturally. She's probably the only killer who's received nothing but nerfs since her release (except the Nightmare, but we don't talk about the Nightmare), and still they want more, just like NOED.
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I think Nurse is fine, I respect the dedication some players have to getting her blinks down to a science
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You said it yourself, try hard swf have a chance against her and Nurse is the only killer that can actually compete at that lvl
Take that away and there's no killer left you can pick vs those swat teams
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The existence of nurse is important for DbD, she's truly the only killer who can dominate a hardcore sweaty swf genrush e-sport group.
She's fine, everyone who wants her nerfed never experienced facing such a sweaty swf group by himself or is straight a survivor main (or someone biased towards survivor).
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I like the "newer killers have drawbacks" or "If she was released nowadays" argumentation, it shows that killers are purposely designed weaker than the older killers. I knew after spirits release that "older killers need to have gauges or harsh limitations" would become a stable argumentation of survivors.
Btw lol at whoever said she has faster cooldown than most other killers. Trapper, hag, purge, wraith, pig, doctor, shape, nightmare, clown and probably huntress are all faster to spam their abilities. Spirit also has no cooldown for instantly reactivating her ability after getting out of phase. Wow only HB has a longer /same'ish cooldown like the nurse.
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If I'm being honest, I'm more interested in making the Nurse more, shall we say, "playable" on consoles than stronger or weaker persay. Yes, I know some people have been able to manage her well on console, but I think it's safe to say that the differences between PC and console affect her far worse than any other Killer.
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lol @ ppl calling ME survivor main, like literally a small look into my post history and ppl would call me a biased killer main. I literally only play survivors for the achievements or with friends which I don't have many to play with in the first place.
This game gets boring and old fast, as soon as I played the plague for maybe a month I'll go back to hibernation till the next killer comes out, rinse and repeat. The boredom would be less of an issue if the whole killer roster would be more threatening but this can't happen by just flat out buffing all the different weak killers unless you want to create a power-creep situation.
I'm just sick and tired of the game being balanced with Billy and Nurse in Mind while simultaniously the devs obviously will NEVER release anything even close to those 2 anymore.
It's obviously not an option to buff every killer to their level so we need to start nerfing the top so we can go even harder on survivor nerfs and maybe even hardnerf ######### like the looping exploit and the amount of windows on the map.
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She's fine at her current state .. most of the time going against nurse players they'd suck , it's only a few good nurse players but even then without Extra blinks or add-ons to reduce her fatigue time she is difficult to handle . But I think the problem is with auto Aim . Like Hillybilly chainsaw even if you are not Directly in his line of sight if you are close enough the camera gets oriented and it counts as a hit .
Just like when you trigger a hag trap it disoreint your Direction instead for Nurse and Hillybilly it works the other way around .. and Re-Directs them to you if they were close enough .
I've had many instances with hillybilly hitting me with the chainsaw from the side in animation even i wasn't in line . Both playing as him and against him.
I think nurse has a little bit of auto Aim too It's not completely manual but maybe it's less than Hillybilly .. after she lands from her blink and after slashing backwards sometimes the camera tilts towards the survivor even after running to a different direction.
Removing that Auto-aim could be a solution . But not nerfing an already difficult killer to handle . Might as well Remove her entirely . All other killers are Rank 50 except her and freddy sitting at 40 lol .
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There is no autoaim in this game, just stop. The only thing this game has is a pseudo-autoaim put on the lunge, if you hold m1 and a survivor passes through your screen you will hit them.
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Id prefer to play against a good nurse rather than a mediocre billy any day of the week.
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When people think Nurse is an op killer that takes no skill but most the ppl who say so don't ever play her because they suck at her lol.
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Just because you watch players with over 5000 HOURS! in the game (like their job is to play this game) crush players with the nurse doesnt mean the next nurse can do the same.... I cant hop on this game and do what zubat does or Marth or tru3 or any other well known streamer that has invested a ton of time into her...... Nurse is hard countered by stealth.... ironwill, QAQ these perks do wonders.... break LOS.... ######### being near a locker and jumping in it when she blinks at you can juke her.... Nurse is not broken.... survivors like you refuse to use stealth because youd much rather be able to run in a circle and waste the killers time and give them the unfun experience rather then gitting gud and learn to counter the queen of killers
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Except I'm not a survivor at all as anybody who knows me will attest. It's like 20/80, I'm mostly pissed because I think she's partly a reason why survivors don't get nerfed way more.
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That's absurd. One has nothing to do with the other.
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It kinda does.
We can introduce secondary objectives for leatherface and it will benefit him but when we introduce the secondary objective, it will also benefit nurse.
Against a competent nurse, it is already difficult to repair 5 generators and she can prevent gen rush. Any additional objective will break her.
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Even so, both things can be introduced simultaneously, as opposed to shafting killers for god knows how many months before introducing the nerfs that justify said shafting.
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There are survivors who stealth.
The thing is a lot of killers and perks can be countered/draw out chases by looping. Only a few by stealth. Considering most killers run at least one anti-stealth perk (sometimes more) the best chance a survivor has is to learn to loop/juke at walls/windows. Which they’d need to be able to do when they’re eventually found trying to stealth across the map.
You can hate on looping as much as you want but not all 5 survs can successfully stealth an entire match so they need other things to do. Imagine if you had 4 p3 Stealth perk Claudettes? Considering some killers dodge just 2 in there lobby already?
’Long chases’ are slowly being dealt with. They’ve already closed some of the worst windows and got rid of the dumb pallet vacuum, limited the amount of pallets (thought it’s not always perfect).
The other thing is some people say ‘Well Nurse can be countered with stealth/x perk). But Doctor, with his add-ons, you have no chance to stealth. Survivors don’t know which killer they’ll be facing, as the shouldn’t, so they run perks that help them extend chases for when they are finally seen. It’s easy to ‘stealth’ from gen to gen when someone else is getting chased anyway.
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I agree, devs have this problem that when they introduce something that hinders one side, even though they promise to make necessary changes for the same side or the opposite, they don't. If today billy or nurse gets nerfed in order to implement secondary objectives, it is gonna take 1 year for them to do that. In that time frame, killers will have to suck a d...
The best example is the tinkerer nerf. They promised that they would alter some of the killer's base charges etc. but we still don't have anything. Especially already weak killers like leatherface got hit pretty hard.
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She still has more counter play than Legion...
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And before I forget, base Nurse is still fine. If I, as a mediocre survivor, can juke deranking Nurses, then better survivors can do it too.
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Aim assist was removed from all killers, and it was something survivors demanded because they mistakenly believed that nearly every hit they ever received was due to the imaginary auto-aim (in reality, aim assist).
I'm fairly certain she was always able to shorten her blinks by looking down, but I'm not 100% sure.
Bug fixes are not buffs, they're bug fixes.
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Except the devs are slow as heck, how many years did it take for the thana buff which would've been just a small number adjustment?
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