SERIOUSLY Let killers Opt of getting que'd with SWF.

Speshul_Kitten

Another waste of a post and just a classic case of git gud

chemical_reject

Vortexas said:

@Jack11803 said:
“Just adapt”. That’s what keep getting told.

@powerbats said:

@Vortexas said:

@powerbats said:

@Vortexas said:

Play without need 3 other people and voice chat to carry you.

Then play without any perks and or items and addons. If you're going to need that stuff to carry you to victory then you shouldn't be playing as a killer. The entity would say that to you if it saw your post since you're not supposed to fing care.

I play both solo and swf and some of it's to rank up and other is just to have fun and the whiny spoiled rottenness of killer is astounding right now. I've been doing a lot of solo queue and the moment they see a single tool box and or flashlight they dodge 90% of the time.

When I play killer I could care less, i''ll take you on regardless and sometimes I'll win and sometimes i'll lose but at least I tried and didn't wimp out. It's like playing the killer has now become oh it's a difficult group screw this wimp out. The new changes are a positive and there'll be more to come for both sides.

But if you want to opt out then simply stop playing the game as a killer because it's not going to happen. When 70% of the player base is swf and you opt out then you're going to be in lobby for 30 minutes to an hour if not longer.

The devs aren't going to cave to a vocal small minority of killers that want this and have already stated it many times and constantly spamming the forums with whine threads like this makes all the ones doing it look childish. Instead get constructive and give ideas and break down how those ideas would work. What would your ideas do and what are it's pluses and minuses? How do you improve on those ideas and mitigate any issues?

If you can't do any of those last things then better uninstall now because you're not getting what you want anytime ever. Those are simply how the numbers game work. You can say queue times will go up but the devs will simply do something to attract killers to lobbies like bp events etc.

I found the entitled Survivor Main.

You spilled some again.

Translation you can't refute anything I posted so resort to the usual insults. You just proved my point about being a whiny entitled killer.

I main trapper on killer side and enjoy him thoroughly along with Pig. If I was the entity I'd bslap your whiny spoiled entitled ass and send you to killer school for babies. If you don't have anything to show how to fix things then you'll yet again prove my point.

Made my points earlier in the thread kiddo, you don't seem too keen on refuting them.

It's okay though, I'd get mad too if I needed 3 others plus voice chat to play.

Your "point" is more of an opinion.

 I don't see how the devs not including voice chat in game means that it's cheating.

They released the game on pc which has the capability of voice chat.... why spend money and program it into the game when people can just choose who they WANT to talk to instead of having to listen to some RAGING jerk (usually children) this isn't F13th the game.....

powerbats

@Outland said:

Ok, lets take your points one at a time.

BHVR can not detect Discord, and even if they did could, they do not have the right to check that information.

Good point and wasn't sure since some have sneaky TOS/EULAS

So no BHVR can do nothing about Discord. Lets limit our discussions about the use of Discord to only that of SWF groups. Every other discord communication outside of SWF games, doesn't supply an advantage to the player, and is therefore a non-issue.

Ok but then how do you know it's a swf group, which as you admit you don't know later on. My point is that in quite a few of these threads the complaint is it's always swf groups when no one really knows.

Now on to your claiming that if they would talk around the fire IRL. Whelp from the lore, In trial after trial, the survivors retain nothing of their previous ordeals. Actually they sit around that fire until they actually for some unknown reason decide to wander away from it. Upon which they find themselves in another ordeal where they do not know anything or anyone. If they escape they find themselves back at the safety of the fire, until they wander off again. So no they wouldn't be talking because the game was designed as four strangers placed in a match who can either work together or not. Its up to the playstyle of each player.

**Ok that's something I didn't know since lore is sometimes spotty and it'd be nice if they had a section in game for that similar to where shop/daily/etc are at bottom of screen.
**

And as a player of this game since day one, before SWF was even a thing, I reserve the right to keep the game installed and ######### all I want, because that is my right. And yes I'll dodge any SWF I suspect, and if they do finally decide that punishing Killers for lobby dodging deserves timeouts. I'll probably not wait around until the timeout is over, I'll just stop playing and play another game, because being forced into matches where I'm just a joke for a SWF groups to troll is no option. I'm sure a lot of Killers will do the same.

I don't think they'll do a hard timer but I see killers constantly dodging just because they don't like the items/group comp in solo queue. As I said before they then use the excuse that you beat them because you had to rely on your swf scrub friends. This when it was all solo queue and or 1 duo.

The hardcore Killers will stay, but the que times should be pretty brutal. Because survivor mains do not have the stuff to be a Killer main. They may try it and after getting roflstomped by SWF groups, they will not bother either. So the end result will just be a lot less Killers to provide lobbies.

I play Trapper and I get stomped on my killers at time regardless of the group solo or swf. I could care less what the comp is I'm going to try and kill them or at least scare the crap out of them. I've been congratulated for how well I did by swf groups when they've had me outclassed and out item'd before.

As far as queue times go the opt outs are going to have it a lot worse since with only 30% or so of the playebase you'll be lucky to get a match in 30 mins. That's a wild ass guess but you get the idea and what'll probably happen is that the solo queue survivors will get tired of being rofl stomped and either quit or group up into swf groups. Then you'll never get lobbies hardly at all and you'll be forced to either stop playing, wait forever or opt back in.

"All I see are excuses when you don't actually know if it's a swf group at all"

Thanks for making our point here, we DON"T know what is SWF and what isn't. That's why we are asking for the indicator. That way when we get rolled in a match we know it was because we plain old got out played. Not cheated by superior communication and seal team tactics.

I don't have a problem with knowing and have stated you either get told beforehand but if you still quit you should get penalized for dodging. But if you stay then depending on the size of the group you'd get a bonus. You wouldn't know how big the group is nor who was who in said group. But better bp and iridescents would be the reward.

But nothing you said at all, makes it ok for SWF groups gain such an advantage over the other players. Other then you feel you are entitled to.

I don't feel entitled to anything, but to play how I want once in game and not have someone say well survivors shouldn't have this perk or rage quit once they player sees map, champion, items. The ones displaying the entitled sense here not you per se but some of the others that want to know what perks everyone has etc.

In reality, I KNOW SWF is not going anywhere, but nothing you can say will convince me that advantage that SWF get by using Discord, is cool and above board. IF IT WAS THEN DISCORD WOULD BE WHITE LISTED.

Yet how many swf's are actually using discord and how many of those have mics that are actually working. I've played this and many other games where 1 or more people in a group either don't have mic or can't use it due to someone sleeping etc.While they can hear they can't speak and at other times people get phone calls and both mute and deafen the game.

I'd like to see killers get some rewards for staying but the whiny ones that rant and rave and act entitled get no sympathy from me. In fact they'd be better off uninstalling the game because in reality even if they get opt out they'll just blame something else for their bad games.

powerbats

@Xsous said:

I'm sorry, I have to login in to point out the stupidity of this post.

Guy tells you to play without 3 others and Voice chat, and your suggestion to him is don't play with Perks/items or Addons..All things in the game where Voice Chat is not..

See this is why we can't have nice things...Derplords like this mucking up the Internet.

Did you even bother reading what I said and fully comprehending it or did your derplord self just totally freak out like is totally apparent.

I said that because I was pointing out the hypocrisy of complaining about the survivors having 15 crutch perks and the killers only having 5 crutch perks. This after whining about the survivors using crutch perks in an earlier post. If the survivors didn't get to sue any perks then neither should he as a killer.

But gasp the logic flew right over your head there and talk about the stupidity of a post yours was a prime example.

powerbats

@PureHostility said:

All they need to do is add a new icon indicating said person is queued in SWF with those people, hell, if you don't want to show who is with whom, just add an icon that THIS person joined this lobby by using "Survive With Friends" option in them main menu.

This gives the killer needed information to adjust their playstyle accordingly and on top of that, informs other survivors in the lobby about existing SWF members that may ditch them and use them for their own gain.

The problem here is if it's 1 solo and 3 swf the killer knows instantly that that 1 person is alone and can focus them down and know the swf is probably going to let them rot. The killer can then focus on the 3 swf people. It'd be better to say that you have some swf people in your lobby but not tell who or how many unless it's a full 4 person premade.

Zavri

Keep SWF.

Just make ranked mode solo queue only and you don't see the names of other survivors in the lobby.

Problem solved.

Ranked queue might take slightly longer but it fixes the issue.

Zavri

with the mountains of survivor nerfs

LOL

Dwight_Fairfield

Vortexas said:

@Skorpanio said:

@Vortexas said:
So many salty survivors when you recommend killers be able to opt out of there Toxic Cheat mode.

If your so called cheat mode is called Discord, try Skype.
And I think you're just another one of these salty af killer mains that quits mid game because you can't find any way to enjoy the game.

Go play something else!

• Mathieu Cote

Sorry, but voice communication was NEVER intended to be part of DbD nor was SWF groups.

We should have the right, and ability to opt out without just lobby dodging.

I am sorry you need 3 people and voice to carry you man, hopefully you get better one day.

A lot of things were not originally intended to be in the game. Games evolve and add new things. Otherwise they would be boring. 

You have every right to vent your frustrations, but you're bashing your head against a brick wall here on this one. SWF is not going anywhere. Its a wonderful and popular element to the game. If you cannot accept its presence in the game then this game is not for you.

MezzaMind

I'm a survivor main and I hate SWF when I play as both killer and survivor and I don't like to play with 3 other people. But c'mon, saying it is cheating is a bit much. Sure it can be unfun when the survivors are just playing SWF to literally bully the killer and be toxic but a lot of them do it to have fun. It's a bit childish getting salty enough about it to post on the forums and to swear over it. Just accept it and move on to the next game. At high ranks it doesn't even matter if people are SWF of solo queue, most of the time the high rank solo players already know where totems most likely spawn and know how to unhook and do generators safely and don't even need to communicate with their fellow survivors in order to escape. I enjoy playing killer but I don't play it regularly because most of the time I get a 30+ minute queue time due to the high number of killer players in my region so I just play survivor instead but if I do get a SWF as killer I just play it and accept it if I get kills or not because SWF is apart of the game. Again, I personally don't like SWF because I think it can make the game unfun for the killer but that's life, you won't always get the game you want and you just need to accept that.

In saying that I do believe there should be a casual and rank mode where you can only SWF in casual mode.

Master

Gunmech04 said:

@Outland said:

@Visionmaker said:

@Outland said:
Been over this a hundred times. BHVR can not stop voice comms. And for them to say comms is cheating but we can't stop it just makes them look bad. If they truly considered voice comms as not cheating then they would go ahead and whitelist Discord. But low and behold Discord IS NOT whitelisted.

They didn't whitelist Google Chrome and my super sneaky perk googling either.

ARREST ME OFFICER

Point is , third party software that gives an unfair advantage, that isn't on the white list is a perma-ban offense. If you go on only pure logic and yes or no answers you would have to agree.

Discord is

1) A third party piece of software ... true
2) Not on the white list ... true
3) Used by SWF groups to gain a very unfair advantage over another player ... true

But hey its ok, you just keep on doing what you do and screw the other people, its all good they can just get gud, and you can crutch it up.

So basically going by your logic, when we are playing Dead by daylight we shouldn't be allowed to have any program open but the game? Twitch can be used as an advantage if a Killer is streaming and you know about it. You guys just need to give it up, discord isn't going anywhere and neither is SWF.

By the terms of service any 3rd party program that gives you an unfair ingame advantage is forbidden. Discord clearly falls into that category, but sadly mods in the old forum said that I'd is kinda white listed even though there doesn't even exit an official Whitelist (actually I am in the mood now, I'll write bhvr a nice email and ask for an official whitelist)

Oh and btw, deva actually Bann for streams nipping if you do it multiple times to annoy the streamer. 

Master

MezzaMind said:

I'm a survivor main and I hate SWF when I play as both killer and survivor and I don't like to play with 3 other people. But c'mon, saying it is cheating is a bit much. Sure it can be unfun when the survivors are just playing SWF to literally bully the killer and be toxic but a lot of them do it to have fun. It's a bit childish getting salty enough about it to post on the forums and to swear over it. Just accept it and move on to the next game. At high ranks it doesn't even matter if people are SWF of solo queue, most of the time the high rank solo players already know where totems most likely spawn and know how to unhook and do generators safely and don't even need to communicate with their fellow survivors in order to escape. I enjoy playing killer but I don't play it regularly because most of the time I get a 30+ minute queue time due to the high number of killer players in my region so I just play survivor instead but if I do get a SWF as killer I just play it and accept it if I get kills or not because SWF is apart of the game. Again, I personally don't like SWF because I think it can make the game unfun for the killer but that's life, you won't always get the game you want and you just need to accept that.

In saying that I do believe there should be a casual and rank mode where you can only SWF in casual mode.

Cheaters use aim hacks and teleport/invulnerability stuff to have fun to.
Saying that SWF is fine because it's fun for the survivors would by the aame argumentation say that cheating is fine

powerbats

@Master said:

Cheaters use aim hacks and teleport/invulnerability stuff to have fun to.
Saying that SWF is fine because it's fun for the survivors would by the aame argumentation say that cheating is fine

That's worst logical fallacy argument I've seen in quite some time and 1 doesn't even come close to equating to the other. It's not cheating to use Discord or Ventilo or Skype etc no matter how you or anyone else whining about it tries to word it.

Now as for 3rd party programs they're talking about those that are aimbots, wallhacks, aura hacks, speed hacks etc. You know full well that voice wasn't intended nor is covered by that.

Skorpanio

I get what youre saying by SWF deserve to have just as much fun as killer. But playing killer against toxic SWF isn't fun at all. There's no fun in playing against 4 people running crutch perks, body blocking, flashing, and being able to easily communicate with each other when the original purpose of the game was to work together without direct communication. Yes, everyone deserves to have fun, but playing killer isn't as fun as it should be.

We're not toxic though, I'm not a meta survivor main and I'm not planning to become one.
I play the game because It's fun and sinse I can bring friends into the match.

I don't think it's hard to be a killer eather, I may be a killer main. But that doesn't mean that other can't adapt to the game.
At this state of the game, the community is very toxic and I think we are complaining a little more than we should!

MezzaMind

@Master said:
MezzaMind said:

I'm a survivor main and I hate SWF when I play as both killer and survivor and I don't like to play with 3 other people. But c'mon, saying it is cheating is a bit much. Sure it can be unfun when the survivors are just playing SWF to literally bully the killer and be toxic but a lot of them do it to have fun. It's a bit childish getting salty enough about it to post on the forums and to swear over it. Just accept it and move on to the next game. At high ranks it doesn't even matter if people are SWF of solo queue, most of the time the high rank solo players already know where totems most likely spawn and know how to unhook and do generators safely and don't even need to communicate with their fellow survivors in order to escape. I enjoy playing killer but I don't play it regularly because most of the time I get a 30+ minute queue time due to the high number of killer players in my region so I just play survivor instead but if I do get a SWF as killer I just play it and accept it if I get kills or not because SWF is apart of the game. Again, I personally don't like SWF because I think it can make the game unfun for the killer but that's life, you won't always get the game you want and you just need to accept that.

In saying that I do believe there should be a casual and rank mode where you can only SWF in casual mode.

Cheaters use aim hacks and teleport/invulnerability stuff to have fun to.
Saying that SWF is fine because it's fun for the survivors would by the aame argumentation say that cheating is fine

Dude that is no where NEAR the same thing.... Cheaters are people who hack the game, not people who use mic, that's just ignorant to think they are the same thing...
The majority of people who use hacking aren't doing it have fun, they are using it to get high rank and to have bragging rights saying they are good at the game.

Master

powerbats said:

@Master said:

Cheaters use aim hacks and teleport/invulnerability stuff to have fun to.
Saying that SWF is fine because it's fun for the survivors would by the aame argumentation say that cheating is fine

That's worst logical fallacy argument I've seen in quite some time and 1 doesn't even come close to equating to the other. It's not cheating to use Discord or Ventilo or Skype etc no matter how you or anyone else whining about it tries to word it.

Now as for 3rd party programs they're talking about those that are aimbots, wallhacks, aura hacks, speed hacks etc. You know full well that voice wasn't intended nor is covered by that.

Whether you use third party programs to gain an aiming advantage or a communication advantage, it doesn't matter when we are talking about the tos 

The only difference I can see that cheating via discord is somehow accepted even though the game is obviously not designed for this and communication actually denies several tactics of a killer 

Master

MezzaMind said:

@Master said:
MezzaMind said:

I'm a survivor main and I hate SWF when I play as both killer and survivor and I don't like to play with 3 other people. But c'mon, saying it is cheating is a bit much. Sure it can be unfun when the survivors are just playing SWF to literally bully the killer and be toxic but a lot of them do it to have fun. It's a bit childish getting salty enough about it to post on the forums and to swear over it. Just accept it and move on to the next game. At high ranks it doesn't even matter if people are SWF of solo queue, most of the time the high rank solo players already know where totems most likely spawn and know how to unhook and do generators safely and don't even need to communicate with their fellow survivors in order to escape. I enjoy playing killer but I don't play it regularly because most of the time I get a 30+ minute queue time due to the high number of killer players in my region so I just play survivor instead but if I do get a SWF as killer I just play it and accept it if I get kills or not because SWF is apart of the game. Again, I personally don't like SWF because I think it can make the game unfun for the killer but that's life, you won't always get the game you want and you just need to accept that.

In saying that I do believe there should be a casual and rank mode where you can only SWF in casual mode.

Cheaters use aim hacks and teleport/invulnerability stuff to have fun to.
Saying that SWF is fine because it's fun for the survivors would by the aame argumentation say that cheating is fine

Dude that is no where NEAR the same thing.... Cheaters are people who hack the game, not people who use mic, that's just ignorant to think they are the same thing...
The majority of people who use hacking aren't doing it have fun, they are using it to get high rank and to have bragging rights saying they are good at the game.

Cheaters use 3rd party tools to gain an unfair ingame advantage, tell me how is that different from discord etc?

JinxReaper

Lord almighty I wish I never opened this thread xD If I was able to transfer the salt from this to RL I would have enough salt to turn Usa into a salt mountain

PureHostility

@powerbats said:

@PureHostility said:

All they need to do is add a new icon indicating said person is queued in SWF with those people, hell, if you don't want to show who is with whom, just add an icon that THIS person joined this lobby by using "Survive With Friends" option in them main menu.

This gives the killer needed information to adjust their playstyle accordingly and on top of that, informs other survivors in the lobby about existing SWF members that may ditch them and use them for their own gain.

The problem here is if it's 1 solo and 3 swf the killer knows instantly that that 1 person is alone and can focus them down and know the swf is probably going to let them rot. The killer can then focus on the 3 swf people. It'd be better to say that you have some swf people in your lobby but not tell who or how many unless it's a full 4 person premade.

As I said, that solo survivor also gets information about SWF being present in his/her lobby, thus they can act accordingly, either prepare to play a game where they are the only solo one or dodge the lobby and find a proper game instead.

powerbats

@PureHostility said:

@powerbats said:

@PureHostility said:

All they need to do is add a new icon indicating said person is queued in SWF with those people, hell, if you don't want to show who is with whom, just add an icon that THIS person joined this lobby by using "Survive With Friends" option in them main menu.

This gives the killer needed information to adjust their playstyle accordingly and on top of that, informs other survivors in the lobby about existing SWF members that may ditch them and use them for their own gain.

The problem here is if it's 1 solo and 3 swf the killer knows instantly that that 1 person is alone and can focus them down and know the swf is probably going to let them rot. The killer can then focus on the 3 swf people. It'd be better to say that you have some swf people in your lobby but not tell who or how many unless it's a full 4 person premade.

As I said, that solo survivor also gets information about SWF being present in his/her lobby, thus they can act accordingly, either prepare to play a game where they are the only solo one or dodge the lobby and find a proper game instead.

It doesn't matter if they know or not it still doesn't change the fact they're at a disadvantage and if they dodge it's just putting it on the next person. All that does is keep passing the buck to another random because some killers don't want to play against swf. If you're going to give a notification to the killer it needs to be a blind type like I said that the lobby may contain some kind of swf group unless its a full group.

powerbats

@Master said:

Cheaters use 3rd party tools to gain an unfair ingame advantage, tell me how is that different from discord etc?

You just keep proving the futility of trying to discuss this with you by using such a childish and immature argument that has no actual factual basis at all.One modifies the game files or the game memory to give a advantage. The other doesn't and the fact you keep trying to be childish and use that as an argument shows it's not the swf that's the issue it's you.

Unit

Just dodge them I can deal with 2-3 but 4 is a handful. Telling the killer to git gud when you use your friends isn't valid honestly because of how different solo survivors are from SWF survivors. Yes the game would die but that's honestly heven compared to the hell that 4 com survivors vs one killer is