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Susie not so innocent (spoiler alert)
Take this with a pinch of salt until it's official release.
But judging by her new outfit description that she's getting for Chinese New Year it seems that the Legion members have indeed hurt people before the incident with the janitor.
Susie's mask: The festivities distracted store owners, allowing her to steal whatever caught her eye. At first, she shoplifted small items, but then grew bolder when she spotted materials for a new mask.
Susie's hoodie: As she snatched a Lunar Year hoodie, she spotted a man paying at the register with a fat bank roll. A plan took shape in her mind.
Susie's knife: She snatched a gem-embedded knife and followed the man outside. She chased him down an alley. Wanting to impress Frank, she stabbed the man in the back, twice. He stopped and stumbled while Suzie snatched his wallet. She left him in the cold street, bleeding.
Thanks to Reddit user u/timewaitsfornobody
This implies that Susie and maybe the other members of the legion have definitely cause bodily harm to people before.
Now a question that pops up would be why did Susie act so nervous and disgusted with the actions that happened to Mr janitor.
I see two implications from this
Implication #1 the most likely Susie seems to be perfectly fine with injuring people however draws the line at the murder.
Due to stab wounds study it's clear that the legion at least know where are fatal spots and what spots will leave people just incapacitated. This would show that Frank going for fatal spot would have thrown the rest of the Legion through a loop especially if he ordered them to finish the job murder being something out of their comfort zone.
Implication #2 Very likely but an interesting concept it is possible that Susie could have been putting up the appearance of hesitation. Meaning that she might have told Frank and the other Legion members that she stole money but never told them exactly how she got a hold of it.
With these pieces of lore and her original clothing description Susie seems to be a bit of a kleptomaniac so stealing something would have been standard non surprise for the other Legion members but they would be impressive how much money she managed to get.
This coupled with her Christmas sweater implies that Susie is a lot more malicious and violent then we all give her credit for even though she might have a line.
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VERY interesting! Good find!
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Mind Blown plus,Susie is my favorite member of the Gang.
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Unless they are officially declared canon by the devs, I take these descriptions with a grain of salt. I like how they've begun telling stories with the cosmetics, but they just seem... I don't know. Off, i guess is what I'm looking for.
Susie is from Canada. Now, I'm not that familiar with Canada's customs (although many maps have put where I live as Canada), but I don't really think they'd celebrate the Lunar New Year like China, Japan, Korea, Cambodia, Mongolia, etc. would. That's my biggest takeaway from that.
Interesting find, but I wouldn't take it at face value.
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I think that this is a bit too much for the Legion pre-Janitor. Yes, they were already a gang for a time, so probably caused a lot of damage and hurt people, but the impression that I got from the initial backstory was that the incident with the janitor was the biggest thing that they did, where someone was really affected and they could not go back from that, the first blood, sort of speak...
But from here, it almost makes it as bad as the murder of the Janitor, because Susie just left that men to bleed out in the open in an alley, so she may have killed him. And even Frank only attacked the Janitor at first to protect Julie(that I think could fit better the crime, as she was the closest to Frank and thus, to darkness), but here is Susie, making him seen innocent in comparison.
In my opinion, I would prefer if they made the implications of the crime less severe, that yes, it is bad, she stabbed him and stole the money of the guy, but is not that severe and make it clear that the guy will live.
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Yeah I’m gonna have to agree with most people here and say this is another example of BHVR being terrible at continuity, consistency, and lore in general. They’ve done it about a million times in the past so I’m not surprised they’ve done it again here.
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With the release of the “Switch” Trapper outfit, I am starting to think that that descriptions is not exactly canon and those similar to it that are taking about past of the character are more what if, because they tend to be contradictory from what we know, like in the Trapper, the description said that he was basically already dressing up and putting traps in the mines against employers as a teen, which doesn’t fit at all with not only what we found about him in the Archives, but also contradicts the video in which the father is the one secretly killing his employers:
And really, even some survivor outfits are dubious, like the one where Claudette wins a prize, except in canon she was still in college when she was taken:
Same with the New Year outfit of the Hillbilly, because those burns are never to be seen in his normal outfit, so he should have them if that did happen given that I doubt Billy has the means to treat himself. So, with that info, it is safe to think that this info is not exactly canon, more of a what if.
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I never took the 'traps' Evan would make for employees as deadly, but more like pranks. They were his friends, after all. Plus, a 'delinquent' doesn't murder.
As for Claudette, tutoring programs are often run by students. In my school I knew more senior tutors than graduate tutors
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The video of Evan's father punching that man didnt actually happen. It was a dream of Evan killing his father from the point of view of one of the miners.
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Fair with Claudette,but I don’t buy the Trapper explanation at all, the description don’t talk about innocent games, but more of a hunt, like he is killing employers for fun.
I mean, he is wielding a blade and wants to caught unsuspecting employers in traps while they are working in a very unsafe mine.
That is an interpretation, but I think is much more probable that what we saw actually happened: We know that employers were disappearing from the charms, that his father was already a serial killer by the archives (killing his wife and brother) and that the Trapper only killed his father when he was an adult and in charge of the mines (while in the cutscene, he is more of a young adult). In my opinion, what happened is that after seeing his father killing the workers, he was rescued by him after the ceiling collapsed, and Evan was surprised after realizing that his father had saved his life despite what he saw.
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Then what does the bandaged fist imply other than Evan himself punching that person?
Plus, if he did survive the mine collapsing, they would have illustrated him with a lot more injuries. Knuckle bruises heal a lot faster than any possible injury from having rocks fall on top of you, therefore we know for sure the last scene is the day after (or within the following days at most).
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We did not see the extent of the damage and how was hurt after the collapse, so it is possible that the hand was the worst that he got. Or it was just made that way for the symbolism with his father. We also see a shadow moving away when he wakes up, which is cleary meant to be the father that saved him from the incident.
Regardless, even if that were the case and Evan did kill workers, the timelines still not makes sense with the outfit, because Evan clearly is a young adult there, that only rejected his friends when he thought that they betrayed him, not while he was a teenager, where he is more or less sane and normal.
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So Susie wants Frank to think she should be in the squad?
Hmmm somethings wrong here, I can feel it
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Who says that the Susie story not had happened after the Janitor?
Their original story lets anyways enough room for events like that. As example, people say often that the Legion is 19, but I think this wrong, because if you read their story - all the things they have make there are not possible to do in a few days.
They were probally 1 or 2 years aged before they entered the entity realm, after their story starts.
But back to Susie - It makes sense that she felt after the janitor as she would have to prove something. That she is not weak and not worthless. That she is equal to the rest of the gang.
The rest of the Legion has maybe not felt so, but she has still her own feelings and maybe thought that she needed to prove something.
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I like the theory, but unfortunately I think the lore makes it pretty clear that they were taken pretty much immediately after the janitor incident. They were in the process of burying his body when it happened.
Personally, I think there is room for the OP's theory that Susie was okay with incapacitating people but drew the line at actual murder. Being stabbed in the back isn't usually fatal, and we know from the lore that the group spent a lot of time together getting up to all sorts of minor crimes, Susie included.
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Ah, yes. I have read their story yet again.
Damn... Well, I guess you are right.
Anyways that doesn't change anything on the way how Susie is getting introduced to the reader of their story imo, as you already mentioned, if I have understand you correctly.
It's imo a big step from "just" stabbing someone, to murder. So her behavior at the janitor makes still sense, I guess.
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I just love susie, best waifu <3
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Legion’s lore is all messed up to be fair, I really want the tome lll to be about legion. I like their base lore but when you get into the outfits and even the leaser picture it’s just all over the place.
If you notice, there’s numbers on the walls which i’m gonna guess is kills. So why did the group act so surprised over Frank if they’ve done this before? You could say “it’s kills after the janitor” but right after they killed the janitor they went to burry him and ended up in the entity. Still an interesting thought though!
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Far as I know is the picture not dated.
So this could be potential kills from their matches in the entity realm.
Besides that, I think pictures like this are made just for looking good and I need to say, I really like this picture.
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The picture is most definitely after the entity's realm.
A lot of people tend to forget that the Legion is not one being they're four individual teenagers.
So it's most likely that they keeping their traditions of tallies but instead of dares like they used to before The Entity it's now kills.
Granted there was a lot of misinterpretation around that picture because as a community we do like jumping to conclusions
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We don't know that it's kills. According to their lore, they did a lot of minor crimes like vandalism and theft before the whole janitor incident, largely inspired by Frank. Those tallies could simply be for successful crimes pulled off. Perhaps they had some sort of competition going.
Although, that illustration was most likely created before the lore was written, since the names on the wall don't quite match up with their names in the lore and so may have been the names for earlier iterations of the characters.
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The name on the board are their nicknames.
Even the lore and item description itself tends to bounce between calling them their actual names and nicknames
Joey and Julie being the ones that get swapped around frequently
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Ah, that makes sense. Well, in that case, everything still fits as far as I'm concerned.
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