If you play both Survivor and Killer, are you happy or upset about the Ruin change overall?

that's a very good point - which could pass on as a "see? killers are now buffed!", but it's in fact a detriment to the player experience of the solo survivor(s).

It promotes gen rushing (exactly the definition I gave: repairing generators at the expense of the rest)

dont care....ill adapt

I play both sides a little bit more killer than survivor but I can say that old ruin was fine if I got faced with a smart team they knew how to work through ruin (mostly a swf) then the gens still went by at a decent speed but if they didn't it was a easy 5 gens. When I would play survivor I didn't see it as that bad of a thing as I can hit greats a lot of the time but before that if I would hit the good skill check I would let go of the gen. At rank 1 I would (and still see) to many people stick to the gen after hitting the good then hit 3 more goods in a row without ever letting go so the gen would go backwards. Or the people that would gen tap and make 1 gen take around 160 seconds which is a lot longer then if you would let go after missing a skill check 90% of the time unless your really unlucky. If people could actually learn to counter ruin it wouldn't be as bad but a lot of survivors didn't want to learn and got it nerfed. I had my rank 20 friend in a kyf match to help him hit greats and counter ruin after 5 min he could get a gen with ruin done in about 100 seconds for his first time playing the game if they took 5 min to learn ruin would only add 20 seconds to each gen (roughly). I feel like it was the really old Freddy that got nerfed to the ground because noobs and the boosted complained they it died so maybe ruin will get a buff just like Freddy did.

that is the risk, right now.

will ofc keep on playing, unless the game becomes very easy and very predictable.

But this nerf came at the worst moment.

I'd say the only issue I have, as a free-to-play player, is the fact that it's going to be a helluva lot harder for me to get a good gen slowing perk. New Ruin could've waited a bit, but it's not THAT bad of an idea. Now the release time was ass, but the idea is definitely strong

I think they should change the hex part of ruin. They say hits for late game but most hex never last more than 30 seconds of the start of the match. I suggested having the hex teleport to other totems until the survivors cleansed others are cleansed for it to stay in place. Even have hexes that only work after all gens are done to spawn a totem just for it.

Not a fan, especially the way that it was implemented and the attitude that followed.

I don't mind it being changed to something less frustrating, but hate that they kept it a hex. It was not well thought out, and doesn't address the underlying issue that made it so popular.

I'm fairly new to playing killer, so i haven't had ruin long enough to get overly attached to it, but I can clearly see the problem that killers were using it to address. What I don't get is how the devs don't see it. Some people are saying to just wait and the devs will fix the underlying problem, but from what i have seen in their responses, the devs don't see what that is, or simply want to ignore it for some reason. If they did, they would have acknowledged it, at the very least. Instead they have only fanned the flames of toxicity with their poorly worded responses. That's what really frustrates me.

On some larger maps, with gen rushing, one gen can be completed before the killer can even get to that side of the map, let alone the specific gen.

On the survivor side, I will be happy to not see the smoke and hissing (can't hit great skill checks), and i will get more BP for completing more gens. I got used to just powering through the ruin, but I will be glad to not see it. I just wish they could have reworked it in a more balanced way.

Can't wait to use a "late game hex perk" cause those are worth running am i right fellas? Hexs always last more than a minute. No? Oh well.

To be honest as a 50 50 I don't care about it, I can still work without ruin as I mostly run Thanataphobia/Corrupt on most my killers

Upset.

Upset at its execution.

Upset at the clearly biased and profit-focused reasoning behind it.

Upset at its implementation while ignoring the absolutely oldest and core issues with the game.

The bias is so heavy that the game might just be called Dead by the end of the year if they startthrowing the killers some very large bones or dedicate themselves to overhauling game balance.

As a player: Disappointed and dubious.

Hex: Ruin encouraged survivors to improve their gameplay and grow as a player. Always felt that Hex: Ruin offered reasonable counterplay. One could learn to land greats, cleanse the offending totem, or (if they were desperate) gen tap. And once someone learned how to land those greats, they could apply that skill to all other aspects of being a survivor.

Dubious because it's going to force killers to play far more aggressively and sweaty. Killers will be forced to do more slugging and tunneling off of hook just to get players out of the game that much faster. Games will end quicker, and I don't see this change improving queue times, so that will lead to a less satisfying experience.

As a killer: Annoyed, frustrated

I personally used Hex: Ruin to buy myself time to find the first survivor. I never expect it to stay up all game, and even if it was destroyed in the first 15 seconds, it gives me the location of one survivor and effectively kept one survivor off of gens. If Ruin lasted longer, it just gave me more time and gave me the luxury of being able to play a more relaxed game, or to play and learn new killers I don't often play. Basically used Ruin to make sure I got enough time to actually feel like I had a chance to play the game, win or lose. I feel like without Ruin, I'm going to be pigeon-holed into using even more gen slowdown perks just to make sure the game lasts for a reasonable amount of time.

On a side note, I know a few friends in my circle are planning on stopping playing killer entirely when the Ruin changes happen. It's not because they are upset, but they are more casual players (limited free time, multiple jobs, school, etc), and can't justify the new time investment thrust upon them. When I inquired what they meant, they explained that they'd have to level up a bunch of other killers, unlock their teachables, then burn though bloodpoints and bloodwebs until they got the other perks on the killers they wanted to play. So now instead of playing killer, they will just reroll their killer dailies, and be 100% survivor.

They did a good job with the doc changes at keeping him the same, although they changed the snap out of it for no reason, that's the easiest thing to do, and they made it twice as easy. I would have liked it if Doc got stronger though, like the stance change is a slight buff, i guess, but he's one of the weakest killers, and they reworked him based on survivor's fun, not like a freddy rework to make him a little stronger. Honestly, instead of nerfing the strong stuff, they should buff the weak stuff, not just killer side, but survivor side too, like how they did kindred. It would make the game alot more interesting if all perks and killers were at least similar, not all have to be equal. But things like deja vu and beast of prey just suck.

It doesn't bother me the actual change because I don't run hex perks.

However, the way it was presented to us in the Dev update I still have a problem with. "Survivors feel.." "Survivors feel.." "Survivors feel.." "Survivors feel..""Survivors feel..""Survivors feel..""Survivors feel.." and nothing about the killer experience.

What I DO like:

Ruin is no longer a "mandatory perk." I can finally open up my builds and try out new combinations. I have fallen in love with discordance, personally. I never used it before, and now I have added it in with my new builds. Good times.

I don't have to fight ruin as a survivor. I understand why they changed ruin, because I am by no means a spectacular survivor. I can hit good skill checks all day long, but do struggle with greats.

What I DON'T like:

Issues that still plague the game. Map balance is absolute garbage. Huge maps with a non-mobile killer = immediate disadvantage to the killer. This is something that honestly needs to be addressed.

Look, I understand WHY the devs wanted to change ruin. It's a terrible perk that is hurtful to new players. They don't understand its value at higher levels, however. Gen rushing teams and powerful SWF groups needed to be slowed down. This was a killer's only shot at providing a little relief. It's not uncommon to see one gen done before you even reach the other side of the map.

Instead of making maps the size of Nebraska, they need to shrink them down so killers who have horrible mobility (the sheer majority of them) have a better chance.

As far as I've read from all the dev posts they are either unaware or just don’t care about how bad so many of the maps are.

As a fairly new killer without the build I want on almost all the killers I play, the ruin change is going to make things more difficult for me. I won't play Trapper again until I can get Corrupt Intervention on him. However, being that I play on low to mid-ranks, I still encounter survivors that run off a gen the moment I approach. The immersed players are going to have to make a decision now, to get off the gen and let it regress or stay and face me.

As a survivor, I am relieved. Skillchecks on xbox were a pita. ( I also play PC and that wasn't much of a problem. Even though I powered through ruin most of my team ran around like chickens. I started running Detective's Hunch to get rid of totems after I popped the first gen and I don't see that changing. I think Devour Hope will become more common and I'd still like to get the new ruin out of the way before survivors are pressured off gens.

Upset, because as a red rank survivor and a purple killer, ruin is not really a big deal.

Survivors matches are hella easy even solo and meaningless when I play with my friends who have also over 1k hours, even if you don't hit great skillchecks on ruin, it can still be burned through if you're in 2+ on the same gen and at 500h+ of DbD only, I can already hit my skillchecks, thus, making ruin useless, if I happen to stumble upon it, I break it just for the extra points, like I do with all totems, so yeah, if the point is to slow the game down a bit, it does the trick, if the point is to make us choose between taking someone off the hook or doing gens, then sure, good job.

it should be changed from a hex in my opinion and have a cooldown after hooking a survivor so it doesn't make the last 3 gens impossible. As a hex it's too weak since it's only going to be really good during endgame and 3 close gens. But the cooldown will make it so it still has a counter play. That's just from reading it since I haven't actually tried it yet.

I think it isn't good, honestly as survivor i care less when they have ruin, in fact, it makes me hit great skill checks even more, and if i find it its gone if not then by the third gen someone gets it.

On the killer side its the one perk that really slows gens until its broken, i mean corrupt intervention is a good replacement but won't replace old ruin and honestly at tier 1 the new ruin is a waste of a perk slot, its the same amount as you regularly kicking a gen and should not be a hex if it is for end game, unless you make the hex like noed and also increase the damage percentage or don't even make it a hex tbh also it should work with gen regressing perks such as pop, overcharge, etc. Idk just my opinion.

No hex perk should honestly be reworked, easily counterable and if you don't think so, put on small game to help your gameplay and stop using the meta.

Ok im done with my rant lol.

Just my opinion welcome to disagree.

Yeah, like i said, the delay and shock wait were unintended and he will probably be better when that's fixed, the shock blast isn't that good, and if there is a survivor in your radius, you probably already know they are there. Not changing stances is a buff, but not a big one, because even after they fix it, there is still a delay between shocks, just like with stances. All it will change is allowing you a free hit if a survivor runs into you while you are in shock mode, because now you won't have to switch stances. We haven't really seen what new Doc can do yet, but all in all, i don't think it's a nerf or a buff, it's just stupid that they changed him for "survivor's fun" and changed one of the weaker killers without buffing him. I would prefer having all the small killers and perks buffed instead of nerfing the bigger perks and killers. Then there would be more diverse gameplay.

just your first part is all i read spent time with little reward basically ok the can we bring up keys hatch, toolboxes buffs to med kits all the passive healing bs survivors have....