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Can we stop the mori and key back and forth?

Alice_pbg
Alice_pbg Member Posts: 6,722

Everytime someone posts "mori are unbalanced" someone says "if mori goes keys also gotta go, but you would never accept that"

And everytime someone posts "keys are unbalanced" someone says "if keys go then moris also gotta go, but you would never accept that"


Guys! Little secret here... We all agree both are unbalanced and need to go or get changed.

Can we stop the "threat" of the other also needing to go when someone bring up one of them? It always happens and gets us nowhere, because everyone agrees they both need something done to them, it just wastes time.

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  • IceCreamPrincess
    IceCreamPrincess Member Posts: 226

    Its the unfortunate part that a lot of posts and conversations on here will very quickly fall into whataboutery, can't mention strong killer perks without "what about *insert strong survivor perks*" and you cannot mention camping without "what about gen rushing"

    Its a type of deflection, im not saying that everyone does this, but calling out the shortcomings of one group of players and they will try to deflect the blame or just share the blame with another set. Of course they have a point with alot of the connections, keys and moris are 2 very similar coins.

  • Fibijean
    Fibijean Member Posts: 8,342

    Generally, it's not that the people who bring that stuff up are wrong, it's just that it's irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Yes, X may have problems, but we're talking about Y.

  • Polychrome_Baku
    Polychrome_Baku Member Posts: 404

    It's the nature of a forum when a game has multiple sides. When people feel like their role is being attacked, they attack the other role(s). Overwatch, WoW, Rainbow Six and countless other gaming forums have this problem. It isn't going to change because despite how some of the "50/50" players act, nobody is truly objectice. That includes me, and also the developers.

  • thrawn3054
    thrawn3054 Member Posts: 6,368

    I agree the whole matter needs to be approached a less biased perspective. Unfortunately you get the people who refuse to see the other side. I think the rational people all agree Keys and Mori's need at least a tweaking.

  • ClickyClicky
    ClickyClicky Member Posts: 3,536
    edited January 2020

    At the very least if they aren’t changed then scoring should be looked into.

    Imagine burning BPS, you’re first chased, first hooked, then the killer just proxy camps to tunnel you off hook and mori. Depip and no points.

    Or as killer you have 3 survivors left, 4 gens done, 3 gen strat, then they all just jump through the hatch and again you lose a large amount of points.

    Keys and moris can be fun in their broken state but it makes the other side feel shafted. If they aren’t going to be nerfed then could depips at least be turned off and keys/moris also operate as bps and increase the amount of bp given for the game?

    If an ebony mori was equivalent to 2 x bps for survivors then I sure as hell wouldn’t hate those games as much.

  • Apple2o
    Apple2o Member Posts: 624

    Keys are nowhere near as powerful as mori's, especially if it's just solo Q players using them.

    Mori's you can tunnel someone off at 5 gens left, instantly ending the game.

    Keys you need to do 3+ gens, find your teammates, communicate to them you even have a key, and then find the hatch before the killer finds you.

  • Peppa_Pigsaw
    Peppa_Pigsaw Member Posts: 249

    Remove the ability to open the hatch pre-endgame collapse via a Key.

    Make Ivory and Ebony Moris only usuable when a survivor is on their death hook.


    They're both unfun to play against. People need to get over it and BHVR just needs to change them already.


    Although i doubt they ever will.