NOED and RUIN

I mean, Noed is insurance but that doesn't mean its a crutch. Yes, itll give a chance for more kills but survivors have a ton of second chance perks (adrenaline, ds, delieverence, dh)

Plus not getting rid of totems is the survivors fault and if they do get rid of it, the killer is down a perk slot. You can go against a killer with only 3 perks by simply completing totems which delay the game by maybe 2 minutes since you wont be on a gen.

dont worry I’m sure noed will get the ruin treatment soon survivors don’t want the possibility of someone not escaping

This is so true. Atleast with NOED, you still have chances of winning. Use smart counterperks, get better, loop killers for time and avoid hooks. Survivors are already OP in their own right, so what's wrong with a NOED that spawns at the End?

You can 1: Escape but with only a few players.

2. Play smart and use perks that can counter it like Detectives Hunch.

3. Be bad and complain

NOED requires you to lose 90% of the game to maybe have the perk activate. Pretty steep price for something can be found and cleansed right away. I've had dull totems light up into NOED as I was cleansing them.

Agreed.

noed is a punishement for survivors not doing bones and hugging gens

NOED is not that fun....but I can see why killers use it.

It's really only not fun when you are the one downed by it. It triggers that "of course" feeling.

But it is a totem, if they are cleansed before it triggers it's a wasted perk slot, and let's not pretend the lit totems are exactly hard to see. I just finished a map where the totem was right in front of the exit gate.

And if I'm in the exit gate waiting for other teammates, I just nope out of there in fear that it MIGHT be active if the killers coming at me.

Actually the more I think about it the more I've just ran into the fog because I'm worried it might be active but dont know for sure.

I have an idea, if NOED is too strong even if it can be able to be broken. Why dont we put survivor perks on like, papers the killer can take down, can you imagine the salt storm when "HEY THATS NOT FAIR THE KILLER BROKE MY DS!?!110"

I'd disagree. I will switch to NOED sometimes if I see 4 tool boxes and I want to make sure it isn't just memes for the survivors to plow through the gens. It is insurance, sure, but it isn't a bad perk. If some people use it as a crutch that is their loss, but not all killers that run NOED are unskilled or unable to improve. Same with not all survivors that run adrenaline or DS are bad survivors. I'd say it's on a case by case basis.

I've been playing this since long before ruin, and it's basically ruined the game for me. I only started playing again because I heard it was going away. Basically kills every game if you aren't active and derank.

I don't have a problem with noed though tbo. Cleanse more totems of you're worried about that... Or don't get hit.

Its trapper though....would you honestly blame him?

Here's some idea for the crutch perks you talk so lowly of.

DS- slug, or even better, don't tunnel.

BT- go for the unhooker, tunneler.

ADR- is a reward for getting the gens done. Y'know, there's a perk that counters it that seems to be what this thread is all about.

Or maybe you think hen times suck. Here's some strategies for that.

Disengage with the chase- self-explanatory

Swap killer - try Pig, Billy, Huntress, Spirit, Nurse (3 of the 5 are free.)

Oh and the only way 5 hens can get popped is; 5 four-man generators, Prove Thyself (Preferably 3), 4 Engineer's toolboxes (with the best add-ons.), Bad killer who doesn't know what map pressure is, and, oh, I almost forgot, the ability to teleport. Clown Face Emoji

NOED is completely fair, if people are complaining about just do any dull totem you see-_-

Trying to read that hurt my head lol I never called those crutch perks. I said if we're gonna talk about removing things like NOED or ruin, then we should also talk about the things that make survivors overpowered. I've also explained how gens can get popped easily in another post. In red ranks you're usually going against SWFG, and usually very good ones at that. Optimal survivors with perks and toolboxes can have 3 people on a gen at the beginning of a match and finish that gen in less than 20 seconds. This has been proven in many matches and videos. On a large map, a base movement killer takes 40 seconds to reach the opposite end of the map where the survivors usually spawn. It's simple math and easy to see why survivors can get 2-3 gens done before a killer even reaches them. There's also very little to no counter play to it. Doesn't mean it's impossible. But you really sound like a baby survivor who still thinks killers are overpowered despite them having most of their perks, powers, and add one nerfed lol.

But you played a game and completed 5 gens against a killer who only had 3 perks. Getting to where you are was 25% easier. Tac on cleansing and potential non-activation. It's only fair to make that last part harder.

Idea: What if ALL dull totems lit up and were like tokens. Cleansing during the game takes away tokens (unknowingly). One returns to dull for each 1hit down. 1 or 2 downs is plenty to get some endgame momentum. Plus extra incentive to cleanse dulls.

Because Ruin is independent of the killer. Whereas NOED is not since in order for NOED to work the killer has to hit someone down. What makes NOED more frustrating is that a survivor or survivors can be running circles around the killer the whole game and the killer can be total trash but get lucky at the end of the game due to circumstances that may not even be in the survivors control and down a survivor or all the remaining survivors.

It seriously sucks when you know you've outplayed someone and they (the killer) get lucky at the end because they saw you last second or you just happened to run into them or your aura is revealed or the gates were super close or any other countless possibilities. Usually the gates are super close which is frustrating beyond all belief.

Now before you say "survivors should just destroy totems" realize that most the smart survivors do BUT sometimes the totems are hard as hell to find. In fact, I've even come across an invisible totem once and only knew it was there because of the prompt message at the bottom of the screen saying to cleanse it.

It's unreasonable to think that every totem will be easily found every single time. In teams that aren't SWF survivors can't communicate and can't say "Hey, I got two totems" or however many. So, it's a guessing game and it's very likely that a totem or several will remain in play.

You can be insanely more skilled than the killer and yet the killer can one hit down you or everyone because of a perk, leaving you no chance to even outrun them or mind-game game or anything.

That in short is why NOED is so frustrating.

Edit: And then the chances of other survivors sticking around to help you, look for the totem, and save is next to none and equally as frustrating, especially if it's your first hook.

I agree, that is really frustrating. But so is playing a killer and dominating an entire team for the whole match only for them to pull a key and escape. Or downing a bad survivor on their last hook just for the one team member who is decent to pop the last gen, then that survivor you just downed pops up with adrenaline and runs to the gate just to teabag you as they escape. Or having 4 survivors who use an Ormunds offering, all with DS, adrenaline, DH, and sprint burst. That's all very annoying for killers to deal with. My point remains the same, you can't address one side without addressing the others.

The most frustrating thing about playing killer, and this had been said by a lot of people, is that even if you've learned all there is to know about playing killer, and even if you make no mistakes and play perfectly in a match, you will lose if the survivors don't make mistakes. It's extremely frustrating to play an entire match perfectly and still lose. That's the difference between playing killer and survivor. If I play optimally as a survivor, I'm probably gonna escape. But even if I play optimally as a killer, doesn't mean I'm probably gonna win.

A). No one cares ab your other post we are talking about this one

B). You took 2 days to respond. I haven't looked at this post in 48+ hours

C). To me Overpowered and crutch are synonymous to me.

D). How can you tell what rank in at based on how I comment. I am allowed to retaliate at something I take offense at.

E). Why did I use letters to express myself

And yet I can tell you how to play