Dev's c'mon now... (Rant)

So many changes. And yet this game is not balanced. It's just been a lot worse in the past.

And that's why one's personal experience on either side of the playing field only means so much.

I got first hooked against a Billy after running him for a bit. Left on hook for awhile. Unhooked as he came back (Billys always do) and redowned there and rehooked. First match of the day on Survivor side... and it was just a massive waste of time. I don't want to join a game to be on a hook for my game play. Only 1-2 gens done in the time it took for me to die.

Couple NOED deaths, but I prefer those over the former.

One escape against a Legion.

Before the update, NOED was a wasted slot for most Killers cause most solo groups don't make it that far. And hell yeah I'd get salty having repaired 3 gens on my own out of 4 and making multiple saves to die on first hook with 1 gen left to go as Kate teabags/flirts with the Killer for hatch. Good lord was I seeing that happen more and more, like people gave up on gen escapes and just tried to ######### it up to the Killer... and it worked. Just icky.

With the BS nerfs, it can't be ignored that the base speed of Killers breaking pallets were increased! So basically the core Killers across the board were buffed while the optional perk was nerfed. I mean, I'd take that as a buff overall since it made BS less mandatory.

Survivors don't get a lot of core nerfs cause they already are bare bones. They run, walk, vault, and M1. Survivors are basically all about their perks and that's why those (Sabotage, Mettle, Exhaustion perks, Selfcare, DS) get the nerfs instead of the base Survivors. Not much else to change on them while Killers have their special powers.

And even ignoring perks, items, and special abilities. Survivors had Gen time increased, Gate time increased, less pallets, EGT, and the window blocker. (is there more stagger on falls now as well?)

Killers got faster pallet breaks, faster gen kicks, and faster pick up animations.

I'll agree that some survivors received heavy nerfs and some of them I think went too far (MoM was too heavy of a nerf). My scenarios were just an example I could use to show that the amount of nerfs mean nothing.

As for the nerfs though, some of them NEEDED to happen otherwise survivor would be way too strong. I don't know why you're bringing up nerfs that needed to happen because if you watch old DbD videos you'd see why they were busted.

I'm going to go over some of the nerfs and why I think they were necessary.

Gen times: There are videos, and a lot of them, showing games ending in 4 minutes. At the time gen times needed to be increased but at the moment 80 seconds is good enough. Gen times are not an issue and the "killer cannot apply pressure" argument stems from mainly map sizes.

Gate time increase: The only valid complaint I see about this is when the gates spawn next to each other because there is no way that in 20 seconds you can open a gate with the killer patrolling both of them. 20 seconds with no skill checks and the distance between gates is good enough, the killer still needs a chance to stop them. Even still, killers get told to use perks if they complain so if you care about gate times then use Wake Up.

Less pallets: Alright I agree that some of the maps are completely killer sided in the regards to pallets but with double pallets one single survivor could waste way too much of the killer's time. I understand that pallets are the survivors only decent defense against killers but they reduced the amount of pallets due to how safe some of them were.

EGC: This was only made to prevent survivors from taking the game hostage. You can't blame the killers for this because some survivors that were increasingly salty took it upon themselves to take out their frustration on the killer by intentionally wasting his time to try and get them to DC forcing them to lose points. The only time the EGC is in the killer's favor is when both gates are close to each other which I've already stated that it's stupid and shouldn't be a thing.

Window blocker: This was completely necessary otherwise there would be far too many infinite loops with structures that contain windows. Nothing more to really say here.

Exhaustion perks: This was absolutely necessary because with how long you can loop the killer for it was totally unfair for survivors to just sprint burst in their face to the next loop and then the cycle continues.

Stagger: I'm not sure if they increased it so I cannot comment on this.

I'm hoping you're just stating these to prove a point that survivors get nerfed in the killer's favor too and not saying that they were stupid nerfs. Even if you're trying to prove a point then I have no clue why because no one is denying that the survivors get nerfed but what people do get frustrated about is the unnecessary nerfs to both sides.

I agree that some people overreact when they say "Survivors receive buffs left right and center". For some people, again not all, claim that the devs catered to the survivors in this update in particular because of how biased their post sounded. All of the changes were "For the survivors fun" yet no changes were made for the killers fun.

I try my best to not be biased and some people do have different opinions to me on either side but that is what makes us all human. No one thinks alike and I'm not going to state that anyone is a main of a certain side because they have varying opinions and I actually like to have discussions on here.

The gates do need looking at because you feel hopeless as a survivor when both gates spawn next to each other and hopefully no one says "Not another killer nerf!" because it's genuinely bad for survivors.

Do any of those changes remedy the core issue with the game?

Nope, didn't think so.

I wouldn't call it a killer buff as its more or less removing an exploitable mechanic that should never have been in the game to begin with.

Same goes for the BNP nerfs as prenerf BNP let survivors get all 5 gens powered within the first min(People have timed) of the game no matter what the killer did if they played it properly. It being nerfed was more removing an exploit rather then buffing killers as well.

Here's one thing though: None of those can flatout make the game unwinnable just a lot harder.

Both pre-nerf sabotage and BNP can both pervent the killer from being able to win so they are exploits.

PS: There's a reason why I don't have keys on here and thats because they need 3 gens done before they can win the game for the survivors. Meaning the killer CAN STILL WIN against keys unlike the above 2.

Same logic for the keys applies to moris as they don't stop survivors from winning because they require a hook thus just simply removes 1 hook strike ultimately.

Moris are still on par with BNPs. They dramatically speed up the game in favor of Killers and most use them in a way to tunnel out the players extremely fast. There is a reason a lot of the upset Killer mains on here called for Mori spam and it isn't cause it's something fair or skillful to use. Mori's still need nerfed. Keys I feel need a smaller nerf, but I don't think they are quite on par with Mori since you can have Mori's used a lot sooner in a match than a Key ever can be.

And that is with me failing a adept achievement earlier cause they used a key. So I know how frustrating keys can be, but Mori's are keys on steroids.

A Leatherface at a hooked Survivor holding his chainsaw up is not on par with what the devs really intended. They wanted there to be some hope to save a hooked survivor, Bubbas can completely shut this down in the same light as the old trap under their feet gimmick that got removed cause it went against the idea that all survivors could be saved. Bubba is literally a foot trap, except more dangerous as he can down multiple people. I feel Bubba's face camp is pretty on par with old Sabotage. Where the players have taken a literal game play element and bent it to be used in a fashion the devs did not plan.

And yes old Sabotage was busted. Granted "gen rush" wasn't as much as a issue cause you'd have people using Sabotage as well. It got extremely nerfed and is pretty much a way to throw most matches cause it may come in handy 1/50 times. It's better that it's in this state than what it was before though as those were dark times. Bubba can get "sabotaged" though, he is a failure of a concept as well.

You also forgot heal increase (coupled with Sloppy), bloodlust and fast vault mechanics.

And the number of pallets was not even halved. No more than a third of what was on maps still remains.

I'm not saying that most of those nerfs weren't necessary (heal time increases were though, it's so boring against Sloppy), but so many people on this forum complain how devs have been nerfing killers for all eternity, I wish devs made an official statement to disprove it once and for all.

Bad killers =/= unbalanced game

Sorry to the OP, because I don't like calling people out on their skill level (especially when mine is so low), but I gotta agree with Aven_Fallen (and others saying the same thing). Ruin didn't really affect semi-competent survivors, once you got a couple 100 hours in you get used to it, maybe miss the first check in a game, but then you know it's there and concentrate a little more. The ranking system is supposed to place good killers with good survivors and mediocre killers with mediocre survivors, if you can't get any kills without ruin, then you should be losing ranks so that you go against survivors of a similar skill level to yourself. I struggle getting kills without it, but that's cos I'm not very good at killer, and so I shouldn't be in red ranks cos I'm simply not good enough to be there. If there are 20 ranks, then red ranks (1-5) should be reserved for the top 25% of killers and survs, there's no shame in not being in the top 25%, the majority of players (75% according to my pro maths skills) won't be that good, nothing wrong with that.

If your nothing without ruin then you shouldn't have it.

You should be happy, insta heals are nerfed, and that's something from the survivors that's been taken away now it's the killers turn... So deal with it.