Dev's c'mon now... (Rant)

And that's why one's personal experience on either side of the playing field only means so much.

I got first hooked against a Billy after running him for a bit. Left on hook for awhile. Unhooked as he came back (Billys always do) and redowned there and rehooked. First match of the day on Survivor side... and it was just a massive waste of time. I don't want to join a game to be on a hook for my game play. Only 1-2 gens done in the time it took for me to die.

Couple NOED deaths, but I prefer those over the former.

One escape against a Legion.

Before the update, NOED was a wasted slot for most Killers cause most solo groups don't make it that far. And hell yeah I'd get salty having repaired 3 gens on my own out of 4 and making multiple saves to die on first hook with 1 gen left to go as Kate teabags/flirts with the Killer for hatch. Good lord was I seeing that happen more and more, like people gave up on gen escapes and just tried to ######### it up to the Killer... and it worked. Just icky.

With the BS nerfs, it can't be ignored that the base speed of Killers breaking pallets were increased! So basically the core Killers across the board were buffed while the optional perk was nerfed. I mean, I'd take that as a buff overall since it made BS less mandatory.

Survivors don't get a lot of core nerfs cause they already are bare bones. They run, walk, vault, and M1. Survivors are basically all about their perks and that's why those (Sabotage, Mettle, Exhaustion perks, Selfcare, DS) get the nerfs instead of the base Survivors. Not much else to change on them while Killers have their special powers.

And even ignoring perks, items, and special abilities. Survivors had Gen time increased, Gate time increased, less pallets, EGT, and the window blocker. (is there more stagger on falls now as well?)

Killers got faster pallet breaks, faster gen kicks, and faster pick up animations.

I'll agree that some survivors received heavy nerfs and some of them I think went too far (MoM was too heavy of a nerf). My scenarios were just an example I could use to show that the amount of nerfs mean nothing.

As for the nerfs though, some of them NEEDED to happen otherwise survivor would be way too strong. I don't know why you're bringing up nerfs that needed to happen because if you watch old DbD videos you'd see why they were busted.

I'm going to go over some of the nerfs and why I think they were necessary.

Gen times: There are videos, and a lot of them, showing games ending in 4 minutes. At the time gen times needed to be increased but at the moment 80 seconds is good enough. Gen times are not an issue and the "killer cannot apply pressure" argument stems from mainly map sizes.

Gate time increase: The only valid complaint I see about this is when the gates spawn next to each other because there is no way that in 20 seconds you can open a gate with the killer patrolling both of them. 20 seconds with no skill checks and the distance between gates is good enough, the killer still needs a chance to stop them. Even still, killers get told to use perks if they complain so if you care about gate times then use Wake Up.

Less pallets: Alright I agree that some of the maps are completely killer sided in the regards to pallets but with double pallets one single survivor could waste way too much of the killer's time. I understand that pallets are the survivors only decent defense against killers but they reduced the amount of pallets due to how safe some of them were.

EGC: This was only made to prevent survivors from taking the game hostage. You can't blame the killers for this because some survivors that were increasingly salty took it upon themselves to take out their frustration on the killer by intentionally wasting his time to try and get them to DC forcing them to lose points. The only time the EGC is in the killer's favor is when both gates are close to each other which I've already stated that it's stupid and shouldn't be a thing.

Window blocker: This was completely necessary otherwise there would be far too many infinite loops with structures that contain windows. Nothing more to really say here.

Exhaustion perks: This was absolutely necessary because with how long you can loop the killer for it was totally unfair for survivors to just sprint burst in their face to the next loop and then the cycle continues.

Stagger: I'm not sure if they increased it so I cannot comment on this.

I'm hoping you're just stating these to prove a point that survivors get nerfed in the killer's favor too and not saying that they were stupid nerfs. Even if you're trying to prove a point then I have no clue why because no one is denying that the survivors get nerfed but what people do get frustrated about is the unnecessary nerfs to both sides.

I agree that some people overreact when they say "Survivors receive buffs left right and center". For some people, again not all, claim that the devs catered to the survivors in this update in particular because of how biased their post sounded. All of the changes were "For the survivors fun" yet no changes were made for the killers fun.

I try my best to not be biased and some people do have different opinions to me on either side but that is what makes us all human. No one thinks alike and I'm not going to state that anyone is a main of a certain side because they have varying opinions and I actually like to have discussions on here.

The gates do need looking at because you feel hopeless as a survivor when both gates spawn next to each other and hopefully no one says "Not another killer nerf!" because it's genuinely bad for survivors.

Do any of those changes remedy the core issue with the game?

Nope, didn't think so.

No. But people like to pretend things haven't been nerfed on Survivor side. Sabotage is gutted, almost useless now. It went from godly to ant sized.

Wouldn't Mori (they are the closest thing to old BNP alive in the game), instant hatchets, and instant down camping all fall under exploits as well then? You call BNP and old sabotage a exploit, but these things are also deal breakers.

That only proves that you wasn't here when BNP and Sabo were a thing. You know that machinegun build didn't care how faster gens were done, if you could hook somebody in the basement it was pretty much gg for survivors. Same goes for sabo - you could pretty much slug everyone, plus almost everyone had Iron Grasp so it was relatively easy to get to the basement.

Funny I have no issue at rank 2 getting a 4k. Your crutch is gone you gotta adapt bro

The problem being, that there's no losing rank for easier matches to gain more skill. Sitting at Rank 13 atm, and I've faced more purples/reds than I have greens/yellows by a large margin.

Before you can cry "Nerf, buff, blah blah" you need to address matchmaking and make it so that Killers can face Survivors of equal skill. But hey, that's not really possible at all tbh, because deranking exists. When you're Rank 20 facing 4 Rank 20 Survivors with a full meta T3 loadout, obviously there is something else wrong with the game besides Perks getting nerfed.

Part of it is the playerbase, there will always be trolls and people who get a rush bullying anyone they can, but the matchmaking needs addressed before anything can be balanced. Without that, there's no real use because you're going to have matches all over the spectrum of imbalance and that will simply give you trash data with which to balance the game.

Survivors now are self entitled. Have a plethora of perks to help them survive, and then have the nerve to BM at the end.

I miss the wraith when the game came out, hd was ridiculously fast by default and no one complained.

It's a game where there are 4 people Vs 1 killer. Killers need to be "OP" to make it a challenge for survivors to escape, not gen rushing 30 seconds in. Survivor mains need to get their head out of their arse and realise that survivors have a major advantage.

Let's say for arguments sake that survivors have been nerfed more over the years then killers. Just because I can't be arsed to keep that argument going.

Ruin need was not needed I mostly only play survivor and I'm rank 1. Against a SWF at Purple ranks or higher without ruin it is PHYSICALLY impossible for anyone but a nurse to win. I can literally run a killer round for 2 mins and 3 gens are already gone and my swf group is working on 4th and 5th even if I go down we still have already garunteed a win.

It's not even fun for us survivors when the games are this easy

I agree about the ruin thing at the end of the day killers rely on this way to much and for no good reason either yeah at red rank you may see 4 survivors with toolkits rushing u but let's say for argument sake you come across 4 without toolkits ruin can still easily be counted and in red ranks ruin normally is instant popped so it is completely useless regardless of 4 toolkits or not I'm glad they changed it as way to many people live on this perk which is so over hyped and all it does is yeah slow the game down abit