Why does dreamworld stop borrowed time?
i understand why it doesn't, because when your in the dream world you hear a lullaby, but it's unethical since it allows them to face camp a survivor and get away with it since i cant use my borrowed time unless i get really lucky. i feel they should change it to say terror radius or lullaby, or maybe even to in a certain radius of the killer to stop insidious campers, or stealth killers that camp. i mean when freddy came out they changed adrenaline to make it to where it wakes you up. they have made multiple changes for balance. i mean there's nothing wrong with trying it out in the PTB or seeing if it would help the game. i just find it annoying when i play survivor and use borrowed time to help against tunneling, and the killer gets away with it because they use insidious, have a stealth ability (pig or the shape), or even play freddy and hit you into the dream world, effectively making borrowed time useless. i usually play solo, only playing swf once in a blue moon, and cant really communicate with the other survivors trying to ask them to take a hit so i can get the borrowed time off.
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Because there's no terror radius in the dream world. Borrowed time is dependant on a terror radius.
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You all keep complaining about BT in dreamworld, when OoO works from 0m on Freddy, which the devs have stated as intended. Now thats some bullshit.
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yeah i basically said that in the post
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i agree, but that perk is on meters, not terror radius.
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They actually share the same root cause, and that's the abilities are tied to the terror radius.
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Because survivors are Freddy's bitches when they're asleep.
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I know, I figured you didn't realize that you answered your own question already, so I was reiterating. :D
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Simple..your in his world now..it adds to the feel of it..
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there's technically no terror radius while in the dream world, if the rescuer is asleep borrowed time will not work . it's kinda like how borrowed time doesnt work against wraith or ghost face .
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I'm sorry. What!?
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yeah, but if freddy is camping he has to do is hit you to put you into the dream world, with wraith you have to have insidious (waste a perk slot) or be cloaked which takes time to uncloak, giving the person who was saved time to run away, or the rescuer to bait the killer to uncloak, and with ghostface can be pulled out of his power or waste a perk slot insidious. with freddy it takes no skill, while as the other killers there is a certain skill cap towards it.
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BT would need a major change so that it actually works against campers. Right now all it does is punish TR killers.
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I always go and wake up before I save against a camping freddy. If you don't eat a hit right before the save it will still get your BT off.
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If freddy is camping he can hit before you unhook.
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OoO is turned off if your to many meters away from the killer, but also if your in the killers TR, so it is Also based on TR
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That only really applies to face-camping, which is a bad strategy anyway and there are other killers than can do it better than Freddy.
Otherwise, you can just wake up first and then use your BT.
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Neither should Freddy negate BT, nor should he be visible by OoO the whole time. Both needs to be changed.
This only works somewhat. As soon as you get hit (which is very likely before the Unhook), you are in Dream World. So being awake does not help that much vs a camping Freddy.
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Yeah, it is stupid. It came with the Oblivious Status effect, but it was just a Buff that Freddy did not need. Some Killer Mains here on the forum say that this is "unique"... Yeah, Design Flaws are "unique".
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Again, camping is an instant loss against good survivors and unless he's face camping (which is an even worse strategy) you should be able to sneak in for the save before he hits you.
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OoO works based off TR as well in that it only works outside the TR.
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Just wanna point out something: Huntress's Lullaby is 40 meters and if BT worked on her Lullaby would be really dumb, you definitely don't need BT to proc from a 40 meters away Killer.
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I mean that's like saying BT doesn't work against bubba because he is facecamping and can just sit there with his saw. Facecamping is only really punished by gen pressure.
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well this particularly situation the freddy was camping a downed survivor when the exit gates were powered, he just wanted one confirmed kill.
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ok sorry, i meant freddy's lullaby, i never said huntresses, since she has a terror radius, but i feel it should not go off of terror radius, but meters away from the killer, for both borrowed time and object of obsession.
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Okay, so what's wrong with him securing a kill in the endgame? Many killers do that.
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Lol BT has been buffed so many many times. So how still some survivors cry for even more buffs blows my mind.
They just gave it another huge buff in December, why do survivors want to win with no effort.
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Devs stated the dreamworld BT counter is intended so... yeah I guess Freddy can do his thing lol
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Unethical?
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I know you don't want that, but recently BHVR approach is to fix anything inconsistent so if one Lullaby is affected the others should be as well.
For BT working on meters though if done correctly with a middle ground between the standard (32 TR meters) and the lower ones (10/16/24 TR meters). If the conditions to proc BT are standard for any Killer the overall balance of the perk could be looked at more easily.
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insidious is intended to stop BT and supports camping boring perk but if the killer is insidious camping geuss what dont save then
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It really is bs, all they need to do is change is so that if the hooked person hears the terror radius it works, you're awake when hooked.
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If you want borrowed time to work differently against Freddy then so should object of obsession, with that perk you're immune to Freddy literally and it's really unfair. He can't mind game the survivor or make them fall for his snares or dream pallets
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So you wanted him to leave and let you pick the survivor up so you could all get out? God you're so entitled dude
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Freddy's lullaby is not a TR and so any TR related perks dont work. Distressing, Monitor&Abuse, Unnerving Presence, Overwhelming Presence, Coulrophobia, Infectious Fright, Furtive Chase, Insidious, Borrowed Time, Stake Out and Diversion all dont work in dream state.
Plus Freddy isnt the only one that can bend the BT rules. Huntress for example has a TR of 20m and can easily snipe the unhooked, Ghostface/Wraith/Pig can turn off their TR. If you want to complain that killers can bypass BT then you have more killers to add to your complaint.
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Why does borrowed time not work in the dream world? Because as the devs like to say: "It would suck having something like that in the game that you couldn't deal with". Don't worry though, if you complain enough I'm sure they'll change Borrowed time to be proximity based instead of terror radius based. It's not like survivors don't already use it for stupidly unsafe unhooks or anything.
Oh wait.
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