So by far how your games are going without ruin and what's your best current tactic (honest opinion)

Havnt played anything beside top tier killers that I didnt use Ruin to begin with. Sure I could play trapper and lose 3 gens while setting up traps but nah ill pass.

Staying steadyish in the lower half of red rank. Still haven't really found a Pig build I'm happy with yet, though.

With Ghostie? Not a good time at all. He has no map pressure or game delay. It's awful even with Sloppy, Nurse's, Thanatophobia, and Whispers.

I'm doing great! I get way more 3-4ks than losses.

Most of survivors I go against in red ranks are potatoes, so only time I notice any difference is when I go against good loopers. Even then I manage to kill 1-2 survivors.

I mostly play Pig and she has a built in slowdown, so that might be why I'm doing so well. Though I also do pretty well with other killers. I've found myself slugging way more than before. My biggest problem is finding someone early game, so by the time I do 1 or 2 gens are close at popping. I hope the devs take a look at Scotts suggestion and consider it.

I've just been using BBQ distressing discordance and enduring and I've had successful games like 90% of the time

I noticed most games start with a popped gen after the first hook and another 1-2 until second hook. But the game changes from then way stronger than before. Most survivors commit to finish the gens, which means you are likely to have 2 people hooked at the same time. If not, after the first hook you have 1 on hook, one unhooking and one in chase. So a pretty slowdown already, although you are about to loose the second gen soon.

If they commit to finish the gen, you have 2 on hooks and after the gen pop you will have 2 others going for unhooks. So noone doing gens and you most likely know where to find them. I noticed it in almost every game that the first 2-3 gens are finished super quickly and after that, if you perform well in chases, sitching targets or slugging if it is worth it, the next gen won't pop for like 2-3 minutes.

Sure, depends on killer and builds, I almost always run Pop to have better control over the last 1-2 gens and need to be aware of which gens to protect all the time, and when survivors try to pull me away from gens. But I really got used to losing gens early. Mostly games are just bad if I do hard mistakes myself or if there are mutliple toolboxes or Prove Thyself or BNPs in the game. Or of course good looping survivors or well organized teams.

Survivors always think they have time to heal and for some reason people still run Self Care a lot. Injurer them all and find them with Nurses Calling. Of course works best with stealth killers but its a sound strategy for everyone.

I avoided using ruin because it just fell tiresome relying on a single perk to slow gens, but after the nerf I am actually liking it, now it feels like it actually requires skill and you can still get tremendous value out of it.

As survivor it's about the same, win some, lose some. I kind of feel like sometimes it was easier with Ruin, because killers tend to be a bit more I don't know brutal? More Campy, tunnely. Also they actually have another perk that annoys me like Pop Goes the Weasel. Which can get frustrating when teammates don't stop going down. Instead of Ruin that I either worked through, or it got destroyed in 30 seconds. Though some times Ruin completely shut down the team for some reason. When it couldn't be found, and for some reason no one did gens with it up. So that issue is gone.

As Killer, I got 3-4k before in the majority of games before, and I still get 3-4k in the majority of my games now. My strategy has always been spread the pain. Very rarely do I tunnel, or camp. I just play smart, and think like a survivor would think in the middle of chases. I punish altruistic teams by paying attention to my surroundings. While leaving, and going to the hook I'm pretty good at protecting my gens as well, I'll give up chases I think will waste too much time. And I also will slug, if the need calls for it. I've never saw it as toxic, it's just my way of stopping them from doing gens while I chase someone else.

I play as Myers the Majority of games. Using Pop/BBQ/Monitor/Nurses. My preferred add-ons are Dead Rabbit, and M. Myers Memorial.

Now I have an extra slot cuz ruin was trash

people only used that much because they are used to it and scared of removing it

It really depends on the survivors. That's my honest assessment from playing both sides, though I consider myself a killer main.

Most tiles are not 50/50 tiles and many killers don't have effective chase power. So the survivor either executes the tile correctly, drops the pallet, and moves on, or they get hit.

The higher tier killers change the dynamic a bit of course, but game speed is still akin to a runaway freight train if survivors spread out and stay efficient. Two good loopers really put a killer in a rough spot.

As for how I'm doing? I 3 or 4k more often than not, rarely less than a safety pip. But like I said, a lot of that depends on the survivors.

I used to make it a point to stay away from the top tier killers and generally "played nice" by avoiding tunneling and other strategies that are unfun for survivors. Those are basically the things I do now. Play strong killers and don't play nice.

Nothing changed for me, I only used ruin on bad early game pressure Killers such as Trapper, Hag, Myers etc, now I switched for them to corrupt but overall nothing is different.

Depends on who I play as, but to be honest I go after who uses what. If I see one or more people with toolboxes I try to go for them first so gens don't get rushed as easily. If I can hook them then the entire other half must save their hooked friends while I bust up gens and patrol around hooks for the survivors if they haven't unhooked yet just in case they are hanging around before I head to the other gens. I find it always works to go after the "valuable players" imo. Medkits and Toolboxes mean more time for me trying to stop gens and keep people downed.

I’ve been forced to just 3 gen on legion

I've had a great time since Ruin got changed as killer, only had 3 escapes I think in my last 15 matches. I've found using Corrupt Intervention really helps you if you can get a hook or two before a gen pops.

With how I play most games i don't bother kicking gens and just focus on catching survivors since I don't run Pop and haven't had much of an issue with gens anyway.

Me oni, oni slug!

Bambam!!!

Infectous fright is a nice perk on killers who can make chases end quickly. By that, I'm not just talking about killers with great chase powers, but also just any killer with an instadown. I use to run it on Bubba without ruin before the ruin changes hit.

New ruin though I've been trying out on afew killers with surveillance. Knowing exactly when a survivor hops on a gen when they think your busy has landed me alot of freebe hits because of it. Been having alot of luck with it on Myers for example, which is a killer that has a horrible early game.

Its also got me playing Legion, which is usually just an idea I randomly get and then regret. Using this build though had proven pretty fun and pretty decent...

Admittedly the game this particular screenshot shows was pretty much just a meme game with none of the survivors being serious at all, lol.

Well, actually it is running pretty good. Although i made a few changes.

First, i used to play every killer, more or less. Clown, Legion, Trapper, all of them (well, not nurse and billy actually) . Now, i dropped all except spirit and freddy.

I dropped ruin, and instead i bring a mori every game and tunnel hard. I often get 4ks (well, at least i count disconnects as kills in this). Sometimes more than one escapes, but that just happens.

It's a "hold M1 and W to win" fest if I'm not using Doc, Spirit, Oni, or hostage Plague/Legion.

And it's pretty much the same as when I play survivor. All I have to do is run forward or slap gens to ez victory.

I wasn't implying to only care about survivors fun. It should be fun everyone. A solid, honest, legit game.

has nothing to do with high rank killers, you play vs the same survivors as a rank 15 killer

I can't begin to say how many chases need to be dropped during a match. If it takes longer than a minute to land a single hit, I move on to gens. A lot of people get obsessed with chases nowadays.