STOP with the Gen Speeds are the fault ... From a NO Ruin Killer Main's perspective

I agree, it's not the gen speed that is the issue, though Toolboxes don't help but since they're being reworked, then that's all good. But, yes, it's the maps that are the issue (Looking at you Coldwind!). Indoor maps, like Hawkins or Lery's are farily easy to catch survivors, but the wide open maps where Gens are two countries away from you are the issue. By the time you even manage to hike across, unless you have Oni or Billy for sprint, the survivors are long gone and leaves you wasting more time trying to figure out where they went. Hopefully future map reworks will lower their sizes and reduce the gen spread.

Survivors whine just as much if not more than killers from what I’ve seen. I can’t even get 1k half the time without someone crying about something and it’s almost always just poor sportsmanship. As a survivor killers rarely message me and when they do it’s almost always gg

It's a pvp game. You are going to get salt and trash talk if communication is possible. I can't count the number of times back in the day in WoW that I've had people log over to my faction to hurl insults after they lost a fight. That kind of thing doesn't happen on steam if you close the chat window and decline friend requests. That's typical salt.

What do you see on the forums? A killer circle jerk of complaints about DS and BT, two completely avoidable perks, and gen times by the top 0.01% of survivors stacking every possible advantage in order to pump out gens asap.

There is the occasional complaint about a killer that is usually buried in seconds with whiny killers pretending they don't want to have easy 4ks every game.

You're a killer main and have said repeatedly in videos that you don't play survivor much. Hell, your survivor gameplay is all meme stuff like the MoM quest.

You're a huntress main. I saw your video complaining about how losing ruin will make you try now. I'm sorry but if you never had to try to 4k, I have no sympathy for you having to actually play the game. The way you talked about having to play dirty now definitely cost you my respect. Though maining huntress on dedicated servers is a little suspect, since you throw car-sized hatchets that hit people around corners and through objects. I respected the long range shots at least.

Anyone saying you have a survivor bias has clearly never seen you play.

You can literally say the exact same thing about ruin, noed, and that survivors act like they are suppose to all 4 escape every match. It goes both ways

I've been playing without ruin and wa never phased by the nerf. I learned how to keep pressure without it and while yeah I do get games where I get gen rushed before I could even hook a single person (That happened before the nerf too)I just sucked it up and moved on to the next game. Gen speeds arent the problem before looking at gen speeds look at stuff that make generator speeds a problem toolboxes,prove thyself etc. If you just nerf Gen Speeds people will just run those and we run into the same problem again.

The survivor that made that thread is Lithuanian. A really good survivor player,have seen him play a couple of times here and there

30 seconds of old ruin is still better than new ruin even if it lasts entire game.

I feel like you accidentally stumbled across the problem without even noticing it. Ruin was crippling to low and mid rank survivors. The ruin change acted to hoist these same survivors up. All of a sudden, you get survivors who cant run a chase to save their lives mixed in because its easier for them to pip up, even if they didnt actually get any better. I can stomp on newbies all day who've been given a red rank, I have no doubt about that. I can ALSO stomp on their rank 14 teammates who are still coming into my lobbies.

This was about a week before the ruin changes, where I ended up stomping on a group of survivors that were pretty much scared to touch gens. Game was over fast with only a single gen being done. This game doesnt at all properly illustrate how games at the higher ranks should go, but now...

This was a screenshot on rotten fields. Judging by the ranks, you might assume these guys did WAY better...but that wasnt the case at all. Still kept seeing survivors on my BBQ running on the opposite side of the map from where any gens were so they could heal up. Still managed to score loads of hits because although the ranks are better...they werent any better at actually leading chases. They DID manage to get 3 gens done as oppose to just 1 (im guessing the boxes factored into that abit), so these guys who gave me all sorts of free hits and went down again after 3 seconds of me recovering from a DS stun... They're gonna get queued up for ANOTHER match where their in over their heads, unless the matchmaker screws up again and tosses em a rank 14 killer.

Point being, the ruin change is just hoisting bad survivors up ranks for killers at that rank to stomp on. Its been the case that rank in DBD doesnt mean much, and thats even more the case now. Throw in a busted matchmaker... I can show you screenshots of me stomping teams that shouldnt be in my lobby all day whether they have a red rank icon or not.

This just ends up coming as a quick 180 when you get a team of actual good survivors stomps the killer into the ground, even though they have the exact same ranks as the team before them. Am I saying I should win every game, gimme my 4ks? Course not. Im saying I dont wanna be stomping on newer players who shouldnt be in my lobby, and I'd like the comparisons for these matches to be fair. Show how it works against decent teams who WERENT just given the ranks.

I suppose the silver lining though is I get to play around with lesser killers due to the likelihood of me finding teams out of their depth. I always enjoyed playing as Myers for example, even at high ranks at have always done pretty well with him...

Legion though has always been a huge migraine that I quickly regret whenever I think of a build that could be fun, only to get reminded...its still Legion. Now though, even with Legion I can clean house as long as the teams arnt ACTUALLY good.

sidenote, this game was alot of memeing around from the survivors, it just happened to be the only screenshot I had on hand of a Legion matchup. The build you see is what I've been running to 4k alot.

@NMCKE thoughts on this?

I'm not trying to disagree with you on that, but rather get your thoughts about what I posted. Thanks for the tip about editing btw.

In a way I guess, since low to mid killers would stomp the survivors who couldnt handle old ruin. The problem however is that old ruin was acting as a sort of dam to keep those low to mid survivors where they were. Now that the dam is broken, they're hitting rank 1 while not being able to perform nearly as well as the survivors who were at rank 1 before. Red rank games NOW vs red rank games just 6 months ago are drastically different between the matchmaking change and now the ruin change. "New generation" red ranks are holding their teams back while a team of "old generation" red ranks are stomping. Its really hard to see how effective anything is on the killer side when theres such a divide there.

His primary point would be the title of this thread which I would consider the most important point of the thread. Although it's vague as hell, the best translation would be that he doesn't consider genrushing to be a problem when it clearly is. Any survivors who hard focus on genrushing will destroy a killer. People like to be all naive and pretend that if you hook a survivor and then chase another then "Hooray! Now there's 3 survivors not doing gens cause one is on a hook, one is in a chase, and one has to go for the save!" Yet the harsh reality of the situation is that I've been in this situation countless times and it's just as easy that one survivor is on the hook, one survivor is in a chase, and then 2 different gens get popped within 5 seconds of each other before the unhook.

Sure, weak evidence doesn't automatically make great points not great, but you're being dellusional if you think that "genrushing isn't a problem" is a great point.

I don't even know why rotten fields was not removed yet

I ignored the evidence because it wasn't worth looking at for obvious reasons and beelined straight to OP's opinion — OP's opinion is very valid to me, just poorly represented by evidence.

Regardless of that, OP didn't say genrushing isn't a problem, OP just said increasing generator repair times isn't the solution to solving genrushing. OP believes it's the maps, toolboxes, killer viability, and so on that's allowing survivors to genrush. Anyone who just looked at the poor videos and clicked off the thread wouldn't know that, that's why I'm telling you — always look at both the evidence and opinion. 😁

You might end up agreeing with OP's opinion even through the evidence is not great. If you disagree, OP will need better evidence to convince you of course. I actually agree with OP if you want to discuss the problem behind genrushing.

You say it only lasts up to a minute but that's literally the reason why people ran it in the first place. It was there to slow down the early game so you could actually get your pressure started. It's a pretty miserable feeling seeing 2 gens go after 1 chase in nearly every game.