Why do Exhaustion add ons even exist anymore?

To be fair, it is one of his strongest Add Ons, if not the strongest. Which does not speak for his Add Ons.

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Yep, they should be removed. They are outdated and were not changed, it does not matter if that Huntress has Berus Toxin or the Green Add On, both are the same, I will not stop running in a chase so I will never get back my Exhaustion. And 3k BP and often in Bloodwebs to counter strong Perks? Nah.

I really hope they will be changed/removed, eventually.

You answered the question yourself. Perks take priority because they can appear in every match.

Basically you can balance around the assumption that each player will have 4 perks equipped. But you can't balance around the assumption that everyone will have an item or 2 addons equipped ect. Especially when it comes to higher tier addons.

This means that for perks, they can be strong since they only need to be equally strong relative to each other in order to be balanced.

However since addons don't appear in every game, that means they need to balance addons relative to not having addons. Thus if an addon is strong then either the Killer will be too strong with the addon or too weak if they take out the addon.

Perks don't have this issue since the only reason to unequip a perk is either to equip a different perk or to give yourself a challenge. Thus the overall power budget remains consistent.

But addons are often unequipped simply to avoid using them.

Moris have the same problem but much worse due to being an offering slot, which is why nerfing them to the point of being borderline useless is the best fix rather than smaller nerfs.

I love the way some get bent out of shape whenever someone even remotely suggests something that would nerf killers. Lol

It has became a joke at this point.

Exhaustion add-ons still work as intended to prevent any exhaustion perks from being activated in chase or slightly prior, regardless of how exhaustion currently is and used to be.

Did I say you said that? My previous comment explains what I mean. The add-ons are supposed to do that. You can bring Vigil or not, or walk and stealth until you have it again. When hit by exhaustion in a chase, you just need to adapt without it.

This discussion is amusing.

Bookmarked.

Oh, and for the topic, if exhaustion add-ons really give you so much trouble, maybe you should consider a thing called, and I know it is unprecedented for a survivor-main, adapting. You know, that thing every time killers bring up an issue or a concern, survivor-mains always tell them to do, but in reality never actually bother doing themselves when they should.

Do you rest while you are running? Don't you need to stop running to cool down?

I was just saying the time of exhaustion it gives is good (enough to use in a chase but not too long for multiple chases) the way it is applied I can see been changed. As for the Huntress one of them needs to go I only suggested the brown one because it has been asked for on this thread.

I agree with op, the exhaustion add-ons at least need to be tweaked. Before the nerfs to exhaustion perks this add-ons would simply delay the exhaustion perk by 30 or 60 seconds depending on the rarity.

Now they straight up disable them permanently until the chase is over regardless of rarity. Either the rarity of these add-ons need to increase or the wording needs to change such as " disable exhaustion for 30 seconds but it comes back whether or not survivor is running".

It's definitely an overlooked factor when the exhaustion effect got nerfed.

Doctor’s was a very rare add-on and you had to get the Survivors to tier 3. It was a strong effect on a high rarity add-on. Dead Hard was just an example. You can replace it with any other Exhaustion perk.

Counter-clockwise skill checks are also not that useful unless your entire build is dedicated to skill checks or you’re up against Survivors that can’t hit skill checks. Most Survivors ignore it or they miss only one before realizing what’s happening. If you have Lullaby, then they know to expect quieter skill checks and if they do miss, then that’s the perk doing its job, not the add-on. Sorry that I’m trying to make his add-on useful against all Survivors again.

I’m not talking about Doctor himself. I agree that he is a great Killer. I main Doctor too. I’m talking about his add-on and it not being as useful as it sounds, especially for a rare add-on.

I also never said you were bad with him. I only said his add-on was not that useful and it should get its Exhaustion back. Why are you so afraid to discuss that? Do you like rare add-ons that aren’t useful?

That's not how that works.

The whole point of a power budget is to ensure that the strength of both sides are the same regardless of your load out choice.

The investment of blood points doesn't matter for the purposes of power budgeting, because blood points don't exist within the match, only between matches.

The real cost is the slot used to equip it. In other words the cost of equipping a perk isn't the one time cost, but rather the cost is not equipping any other perk in the game in that slot and nothing else (unless the perk/addon has a downside like OoO does)

Since the entire goal of a power budget is to ensure a consistent level of strength, that means the power budget of an item that sometimes will be unused with no replacement by design is ideally 0.

Basically, every game you win because of an addon is a game you won because you simply were given a temporary handicap for that game. It's just an unfair advantage, because the other side doesn't have it.

When they DO have the same advantage, aka: both Survivors and Killers are bringing addons and tools of the same rarity. Then it evens out and it's fine. This is why perks are fine, since everyone on both sides is running them. But when only one side has them it means they game is unbalanced in their favor before the game has even begun.

That'd be legitimately game-breaking.

Agreed completely.

Simply because you're complaining about them.