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Slugging is apart of the game so stop getting so mad
If you DC because a killer slugs then you need to grow up. This is why perks like unbreakable, tenacity, flip-flop, no-mither, etc. exist. When a killer struggles to find a hook, or the survivors are just being way too altruistic then it becomes easy to slug the team. It's more than likely that one of the 4 of you has unbreakable so don't cry over it. I've seen games where 3 people have been slugged with 5 gens to go and yet 3 still ended up escaping through the gate. This is coming from a player who plays both sides equally.
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I've got no problem when killers slug for those reasons... but slugging to stop someone for getting hatch is just being a sweaty try hard for a 4k.
If you're slugging because there isn't a hook near by or the survivors are playing in a manner that you have to such as sabo squads, then yeah, slug away.
Really the only time I ever complain or hear people complain is when you slug for a 4k having no idea where the last survivor is located.
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I don't do this personally cause I don't care if they 4th person escapes or not, it just means I can move onto the next game quicker. If I manage to find and close the hatch first then cool, but if not oh well. What really triggers me though is when you play well all game and then you hook the last survivor and try to find the hatch but by the time you get there, the survivor has already found it and is waiting there just tea-bagging it. It feels like they don't deserve it and that they're just rubbing it in.
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Pretty much this.
There are three kinds of slugging..
- Slugging to build pressure or avoid DS - Fine
- Slugging for the 4k - Boring
- Slugging to let people bleed out - Not ok.
I think most people agree the first option is ok. The second is debatable depending on who you ask. The third should be bannable imo
I get why killers slugged for the 4k before because the hatch was completely survivor sided but with the new EGC being heavily killer sided and killer being able to close the hatch I don’t think it’s needed anymore. Its just really boring. If the killer sees the other survivor as they slug one its ok but when they go on a full 4 minute hunt looking for a blendette in the cornfields I’m really not surprised that so many people disconnected.
This forum would have you believe devs hate killers and love survivors and yet this is still in the game.
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
BANNABLE
OH. MY. GOD.
That's the best thing yet. I love it. Holy crap, lol
The entitlement is REAL, holy smokes, lmao
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100% agree anyone who is just slugging and then going AFK should get banned, that's not fun for anyone. I didn't even realise people still did that in 2020.
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What entitlement? What does the killer gain from leaving all 4 to bleed out?
It’s only done to ruin the game for other people. Unless you take enjoyment in that, and you call ME entitled...
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A win without a pip, for those who don't want to rank up for a variety of reasons. One big reason being that purple ranks have the best queue times as killer.
If you're that impatient about waiting for minutes, just DC, and wait 5. It's part of the game, there's a bleedout timer, and it's not breaking any rules. DS ruins the game for a lot of killers. You can hook 2 other people and still be hit by it, or even worse, if someone is unhooked during EGC, you're screwed. There's zero counterplay to DS if the doors are opened.
But yes, let's worry about survivors having to lay on the ground for a few minutes. LOL. It absolutely IS entitlement. You think you're entitled to have fun. You think it's the killers responsibility to make sure you have fun? No. It's not. Make your own fun, get good, don't get caught. Otherwise deal with being slugged.
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Comparing DS to purposefully leaving people to bleed out to troll them or to derank and go against less skilled opponents 🙄
and again, you say I’m entitled...
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Yes, DS, the perk with no valid counterplay OTHER than slugging...or..SLUGGING, the tactic with literally 2 perks that counter it. But I wouldn't expect you to run No Mither. You just want easy games.
Bring it dude, lol
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Yea I've been getting a lot of survivors lately that get mad I'm slugging them. It's like, would you rather I slug you and you stay in the game or I pick you up and kill you?
The only time slugging is lame is if the killer goes way out of their way to 4 man slug with 4/5 gens left. Beyond that, I have no problem with it.
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Looping should be bannable by those terms.
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I mean, yeah. I don't endorse slugging at the beginning like that (unless it's a team full of people with keys or toolboxes. They can get the franklins and slug treatment so they don't walk out of that game with their item). But like, if there's 1 gen left and they are all in close proximity and they've been bullies all round, hell yeah. Slug them all and let them bleed out.
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dude. i dont think there is anything wrong with saying that killers who slug survivors for no other reason other than to watch them slowly bleed out are being a dick.
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There's nothing wrong with saying they're scummy. But there's everything wrong with saying it should be bannable.
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fair enough
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Nah, if I want to double pip and not have it rely on stupid rng if I do or not I'm gonna slug. If you don't get the 4k at high rank you don't double pip which is #########
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You are quite funny. First of all it doesn't matter if you find it boring since you never care what the killer can enjoy. You're right only and only in the third case, for the first two cases are the same pathetic excuses that I received via message when I opted for this strategy
"It wasn't fun, you won because you didn't hang us on the hook D:"
It is a legit strategy whether you like it or not and we are not your babysitters who only have to worry about your enjoyment and never about ours
From a Rank 1 Survivor and Killer, stop playing only one side and play both. Only at that moment would you understand that there are many things that a killer finds boring to have against but who knows why no one cares and indeed the killer is told not to complain because it is part of the game. Really, if you want to talk about balancing the game, you have to try and suffer what both sides feel. As a survivor, I personally hate the mistakes of my teammates more than the killer himself.
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First of all, killers objective is to kill all 4 survivors. It is 100% okay to slug for 4k if the killer is so inclined.
And are you really that entitled that you think someone making you wait 4 minutes should be bannable? Sure its a dick move, and the killer loses points for it. But its 4 minutes. Grow up.
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Letting people bleed out is pretty toxic though. I only did that once because I was doing an OP Huntress slug build with Iri Head, so I let them bleed out to purposely depip as punishment for using such a toxic build (I was just testing it out to see how strong it was BTW, it's stupidly strong).
Any other time someone bleeds out in my games its because I slugged them and lost them. It's never intentional.
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Wait...you punished YOURSELF for slugging? In a game that already punishes killers for doing their job? Do you also open the exit gates and let everyone else go free when you don't slug? Holy ######### that's funny.
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I agree here. In a game where survivors don't give a ######### about a killers fun and the survivor meta is perks that are entirely unfair from a balance standpoint...I mean...masochism is a kink. A weird one, but a kink all the same.
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Are you suggesting using No Mither because of slugging?
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No I knew the build was super OP and lame, I was just testing it to see exactly how OP it was. And one of the guys in the game was someone I see all the time that I'm not friends with but he is cool people so I felt bad. I did it just to show that I'm not trying to abuse an OP build, I'll depip with the rest of the players.
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Well thanks for not actually reading my post at all. I said slugging to build pressure was fine. Slugging for the 4k is boring but debatable as to whether it is still needed in an age where the hatch can be closed.
An I wrong for giving my opinion? Why do you think I said it’s debatable? Because I know some people are for it. I didn’t flatout say it should be removed did I?
You say you play both sides but your post doesn’t come off like it. You can tell by how worked up people get over little things.
God windows are boring too 🤐...oh wait I MUST be a killer main now.
@kidmaxx When all 4 are slugged why not start hooking? Why not just end the game for them and move on?
But no I’m the one that needs to grow up....
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Slugging for the 4k is not debatable. It's ensuring the 4th survivor doesn't get hatch first. To be honest it just sounds like you're salty that you get cucked of the hatch a lot, lol
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But the hatch can be closed now.
It sounds like I’m someone who would like a boring part of the game changed. I don’t see what’s wrong with giving my opinion. You’re free to give yours without trying to make assumptions such as “oh you must get cucked a lot”
I don’t slug for the 4k as killer either because I find it boring. The chases are the fun part: Looking for that last immersed survivor is boring.
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You're like a broken record. The hatch can be closed, if the killer finds it first. Slugging for the 4k is a strategy to make sure they find it first. You know what else is boring? All 5 seconds of the DS stun. Running around in circles (because it takes so much skill to loop LULUL) around a pallet over and over.
All you sound like is someone who doesn't like losing. If you don't like being slugged, DC. Many killers, myself included, enjoy getting the 4k. We don't always get the 4k and that's fine, but if the opportunity is there, we take it. It's not our job to make the game fun for you. Get over yourself, lol
and no offense, but I highly doubt you even get to the point where you can slug to the 4k. Judging by the stuff you say (NOED OP, DS BALANCED) I'd say you couldn't succeed at red or even purple rank killer, based purely on how one-sided and skewed your broken logic is.
Go ahead. Bring it. I'll shoot it all down.
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H-he doesnt agree with me! He must be entitled!
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I mean, when you think slugging, a legitimate tactic that has two separate perks to counter it, needs to be nerfed, ...yes, that's actually a literal form of entitlement. Read the thread, my negligent friend.
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I don't know where this "survivors dont care" bs came from. Personally, it doesnt matter how I play as survivor because most killers take the butthurt from one match into the next one. I don't teabag or any of that crap but is sure as hell get face camped and tunneled by craptatsic killers often enough.
Much respect to the killers that take opportunities to learn new tactics since that allows survivors to do the same and vice versa.
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There's that Killer Rulebook written by survivor mains again.
I play to have fun. Fun for me, and many killers, is winning. To a lot of us, winning is getting as many kills as possibly by any means within the rules of Dead by Daylight imposed on us by the developers of the game (aka the only rules that matter). So, if we have a strategy that works, we're going to do execute it. Feel free to run the 2 perks that counter slugging.
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And it's not a choice. You kind of have to be sweaty to win at red ranks.
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Your problem is that you are trying to find an excuse to judge it unfair by saying that it is boring to suffer or do it.
Slugging is always a valid and legitimate strategy that is part of the game as are some quite effective loops.
And yes, I play both sides actively differently from you, otherwise you wouldn't constantly complain about the same things. With the Clown just yesterday I played without slugging on Lerys killing all the survivors. I immediately received a message from them saying that the Clown is a boring killer and that I was boring. Whenever you lose, come up with the excuse that it's boring "Nice game but you're boring ;)"
If the situation requires it, I proceed to slugging, if it does not require it, I hang it on the hook. It doesn't exist that I have to be misjudged because I adopt a strategy that can work. As a survivor, I was told that using the flashlight on any occasion was unfair or boring. They called me "toxic looper who can't do anything but that." What do we do, we debate that I can no longer do it because the killer finds it boring and frustrating to find himself huddled by my purple flashlight or that it takes a long time to knock me out? The next time I use the closet, should I feel guilty because I hit the killer with DS and Head On?
Again, play both sides constantly, and only then come to talk about what's right or wrong and maybe stop using the word "boring" not to say directly that it bothers you that a killer can win by knocking down the 4 survivors in quick succession instead of hanging them one by one if he plays his cards well. Knock Out, The Third Seal, Deer Stalker, Sloppy Butcher exist for one or more of a reason as well as Borrowed Time, DS, Unbreakable, exist for other reasons
If I had to choose what's more boring between being slugged or reading the same comments from people who constantly complain about BT, DS, Noed, Adrenaline, Dead Hard, Slugging, Tunneling without proposing something constructive or interesting for the community with new ideas or balancing the old ones, I prefer to be slugged to life
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I don't follow that rulebook, lol.
Unlike most people that play this game, I take each match as it comes. The randomness of it all makes it fun for me. Most of the time when I screw up, its my own fault, not the fault of a perk or someone gen rushing or tunneling or any of that bs. I actually learn from my goofs and bad games instead of sending people salty messages or coming to the forums to ask for nerfs. There's no point to face camping, since all that happens is we both sit there while gens get done. Tunnelling isn't so much a hassle as it is annoying and really doesn't teach one how to adapt.
But by all means, make assumptions about how I play because I mentioned that some killers don't care about survivors having fun as a response to you crying about survivors not caring about killers having fun. It may have nothing to do with anyone ruining your fun and have everything to do with the fact that you can only have fun if you're winning.
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I mean I am a red rank killer main. I rarely every slug, tunnel or camp people.
The problem is you have bad killers trying to boost their skill by implementing unfun tactics instead of actually trying to get better.
Yes playing a killer is the more stressful side, but it should be. You are trying to micromanage 7 generators and 4 survivors. That's never going to nor should it ever be easy.
The game should be designed around a 2k 2 escape. With you occasionally getting a 4k and even a 0k at times to times. If it was designed around the killer constantly getting a 4k survivors would never play.
They want to escape in the same manner you want to kill people. If its just always the killer getting a 4k what would be the point of even trying to play survivor?
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Slugging the third survivor who is dead on hook, to find the fourth is ok in my book. I get it- it's not fun for the survivors, but it's also not fun for some killers to let the last one get away. Besides, there have been times I was slugged after trying to get the last gen or two done, and the only other remaining survivor was hiding somewhere waiting for hatch. NOW, that's scummy. He deserves to be sought out and killed. I don't mind bleeding out, if it means I get to see him die before me.
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The funny thing is that killers whine about slug perks 😂
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Wouldn`t mind showing some games against competent survivors who are not worse than you where you win and don`t camp or slug?
Define win and competent survivors? Because here is where will disagree on winning. To me if I had fun in the game and got 2 kills I won the game. I do while in hooking and chasing that I am usually awarded at least a single pip. So does it take me longer to grind up to red ranks. Yeah... I actually like the rank reset only one color because it saved me a lot of grinding time.
I am suspecting you consider a 4k a win and nothing less?
The problem is you think that using unfun tactics means you are not good. If I win against survivors while using boosts of +- same power as they are (aka same set of meta perks, no strong addons or mori if they don`t take any items) and having same or even less experience than they have, then it means I am a good player and if I slug or camp and win, it means I know when I need to slug and camp.
Slugging is a way to apply pressure as a killer. Camping (if used correctly) is a way to apply pressure. If you tell me not to use it, I will laugh in your face, because you are telling me to be a clown for survivors and entertain them instead of playing the game the way I want.
I could care less if you are good or bad at the game. I care that everyone in the game has fun. Guess what, that includes the survivors. And using unfun tactics does that complete opposite of what I want to do.
Avoiding the self serving prophecy part if that statement, I am not saying don't slug. I've actually said the opposite multiple times. I've said I dislike slugging for a 4k and even that has conditions. If you down the 4th person and see the last guy, then slug away. My complaint is when someone slugs with zero idea where the fourth person is. In my opinion, that when you become a sweaty try hard.
Trust me I slug all the time, probably for different reasons. I slug a person if they are recently off hook and on death hook. I would rather slug than kill them outta my game. I slug during End Game Collapse, because it applies more pressure than someone on hook. I slug if people with DS start doing Gens in front of me. I rarely if ever slug for a 4k.
That is why killers are doing whatever means necessary to grip out the victory. If the game was easy, no one would camp, tunnel, slug or use strong addons, perks and offerings, unless they have the mentality of most survivor players who see nothing wrong in taking the most busted things because nobody tells them it is bad, only to cry loudly in PGC how bad killer is for using certain perks, killer or offering.
In this is when I say they are bad killers. I just simply disagree with this argument entirely. I play 3 killers mainly.
Huntress with BBQ, Nurses, Iron Maiden and Corrupt, no addons no offerings
Spirit with BBQ, no addons no offerings
Piggy with Monitor, Enduring, Whispers and Brutal, usually combat straps but this is more of habit from before they changed her crouch speed, I could play without it and once again no offerings.
Once again, I do fine in most of my game securing either a single pip, a Black pip or 2 pips. Rarely do I never not pip at all. This is once again a self serving prophecy, in which you play a specific way because in reinforces in your mind that you have to play that way. Try new things and I bet they will work out for you.
And yes I know these aren't the weakest killers, I tend to enjoy there powers more than the others, hence why I play them.
You can`t design a game like this to 50% escape rate where a lot of things depend on random, skill of 5 different players, their desire to win and emotional stability.
A lot of games are lost because good players are relaxing, thinking they are going to win and then they get destroyed because they didn`t play good till the end. A lot of games are lost because map spawn put a hex totem in some EXTREMELY hidden spot and survivors didn`t find it. A lot of games are lost because the very same hex perk is destroyed within first 15 seconds of the game. A lot of games are lost because somebody decided to suicide or go afk, as they felt like they don`t want to play anymore. A lot of games are lost because map spawned with a lot of deadzones. Do I need to continue this list? It is very long and very possibly infinite. So, how do you think the game where a match can be turned from win to defeat in a few seconds can be balanced to 2-2 winrate? Maybe add second chance mechanics? Oh wait.
Starting off I rarely ever run hex perks, the closest to it, is if I play my meme M1tress build, in which I run devour. But that is mostly a meme, could care less how the game plays out. Why run a perk that can be taken away from you? If your running and rely on a hex perk to stay up all game, than maybe you need to start looking at other perks. Hex's are high risk high reward... Did you catch that first part High Risk High Reward. If it gets broken or found quickly that's the risk you choose to take when picking that perk. I've seen games won because a will places devour hope.
As for the RNG statements you made, guess what, a lot of the applies to the killer to. A good tile setup and a half decent survivor can out run even a great killer. The RNG is what is part of the game. I don't think every game needs to be a 2k some should be a 3k and some should be a 1k. I am saying on average, a killer should have a 2k kill rate. Currently I believe that ratio is a 3k from the last stats they put out. So in at least my opinion they are doing there best to keep that ratio that way.
Am I blaming them for trying to escape? No.
In my opinion, if you are slugging for a 4k instead of just hooking the downed person and taking a risk with hatch, yes you are blaming they for trying to escape.
Are they using literally everything, including things like window tech or hook tech, that are technically exploits to escape? Yes.
Window Tech? Are you serious, this is barely a thing. If your getting upset by this, than your clearly someone who I have no chance to talk into my side of the conversation. As for Hook Tech, this is being fixed, for the time being camp to your hearts content, its two people doing nothing. Its more in favor of the killer than the survivors.
Are they blaming me for killing them? Yes.
Are they blaming me for using everything to kill them (not including exploits, because apparently BHVR bans killers for exploiting)? Yes.
Are you tunneling and slugging for a 4k. Yeah they are blaming you because you are making to game unfun for one side. Your basically saying my fun is all that matters in this online game where there are 4 other people play. Which is kind of just a terrible attitude to have.
The only exploit BHVR has ever banned killers for using (at least to my knowledge) was the legion forever mending exploit. If you have another with proof, please feel free to share it.
Do they need to shut the [BAD WORD] up?
I could care less, but could we at least narrow our points of conversation, because this is going to take forever otherwise.
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More Slugs
Less Hugs
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LOL
Unbelievable when killers whine about "crutch perks" like unbreakable and then tell survivors to use it.
I'll only run Unbreakable if its a consistent bunch of games that the killer is slugging to let everyone bleeding out, if not I'll experiment with vault builds and other memes. But then when the killer complains because someone used unbreakable because they were slugging is so mind numbing. My favorite part is when Killers complain in the end lobby chat and call people braindead for using "scummy second chance perk like unbreakable" it makes me laugh so much.
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These are exactly the same talking points back in fourth. Not narrowed at all. The problem is you feel justified using what many consider unfun tactics for your own enjoyment and I feel killers that play that way are sweaty tryhards.
I am not going to change your mind about not using those type of tactics, simply because you feel as I said justified. And you are not going to change my opinion that playing that way is a sweaty tryhard way of playing killer.
See this is narrowing points of conversation.
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before you use "necro'd thread lmao" as a defense let me just say this. i dont have a problem with killers slugging one survivor after the unhook, i have a problem with killers slugging for the 4k. id rather dc than watch that ######### farm bp. hell, id even take the 5 minute penalty instead of having to spend 10 minutes bleeding out. the worst part is that it rewards the killer like 30k bloodpoints and the survivors get like 10k (without offerings)
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You say they want easy games but also say people slug and let everyone bleed out for a no pip win to stay in purple ranks🤔.
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