Let's put together some of the most popular proposals... from some killers:

@Giche said:

@George_Soros said:

Which gives us a great opportunity to troll them, and who would pass up such fun

Here we are.

The reason why this community will always be toxic ,In-game and on all forums.

Thanks to toxic scrubvivors.

Easy to act all smug and saying trollish non-sense ("Everything it's fine, they're just crybaby huur duur")

While playing the EASY side of the game.

Some respectable "people", yeah...

@Giche said:

@Sleepy said:
This forum is laughable by the amount of salt coming from survivors.

Are you really surprised ?

It's like the Steam forum, with better troll who know how to write.

The content remain the same tho.

You say the community's toxic and then what do you do, you toss out an insult right away. I mean some killer mains yourself included aren't ever toxic in game and on the forums. Because if they and you were toxic that'd make your statement completely false.

I could post quite a ew more showing you doing the exact same behavior you just described but it's pretty obvious you''re just as bad if not worse.

@Giche said:
@powerbats

@George_Soros said:
Just a slight correction: I'm not here to troll. I'm here to troll YOU.

I guess i should be nice and follow some faggy rules with peoples like this huh ?

Knowing that this kind of peoples pop in every thread, even the feedback one, spewing non-sense and insidiously starting flamewar.

You can judge me all you want, for what i care.

I also saw you defending this kind of behaviors quite a few time across the forums.

"They've opinions and the right to express it "

Of course .
The said peoples hide behind this assertion after trolling on some thread.

This little detail only tell a lot, i have no sympathy nor respect for peoples with this kind of mindset.

I call out people on both sides for going overboard just like I did with you and your next 2 responses just proved my point. The mods don't get involved too often but when they do it's because the threads started devolving into flame wars.

Now which would you prefer, a good discussion with some joking around and light trash talking? The alternative is what you're currently involved in which is a insult laden flame war which the mods will come in and either warn everyone or shut the thread down.

I prefer the former to the latter since it lets everyone have a discussion while blowing off steam. The latter tends to end rather abruptly and not always nicely if mods have to close the thread.

@Tsulan said:

Neither did killers. But sure, whatever you say.

I think he was going for really intense and dry sarcasm of the British kind. It's like a fine wine, it's an acquired taste.

@ArthurFiNCHr said:

@Tsulan said:

@ArthurFiNCHr said:

@Tsulan said:
I would add a list of survivor wishes. But they have all been implemented.

Damn... i do not remember that i was proposing:
1. Adding generator regression
2. Nerf for botany knowledge + we'll make it combo
3. Removing pallet teleporting
4. Adding bloodlust mechanique
5. Adding entity on windows
6. Exhaustion nerf
7. Removing double pallets and reworking pallet spawns

If not survivors, then who could propose it ...

Neither did killers. But sure, whatever you say.

Okay, so you are saying that killers wasn't making tones of threads about mentioned above on steam community forum. If not survivors, not killers then i guess we got some kind of sect which is trying to make your dbd lives change for the better. You have got an group of angels and you killers are still complaining?

/edit And am sure you all killers would be happy without all this changes just if DS would be removed? If am right, let's do this lol.

Let´s see:

• gen regression = probably some killer asked for it
• nerf to BK + We´ll make it combo = Nope, no one ever
• removal of pallet teleport = that was plain op
• bloodlust = sure as hell, no killer ever asked for this one bandaid
• entity on windows = same
• exhaustion nerf = killers asked for a SB nerf, not exhaustion. SB still is stong af.
• double pallets = sure, killers asked for a solution for those spots. They still exist, but not as often anymore.

And who could have proposed the changes if not for killer and survivors? Are you kidding me? It´s not like the devs come up with bandaids on their own.

@ArthurFiNCHr said:

@Orion said:

@Vietfox said:
1 - remove the hatch

2 - nerf ds, sc

3 - nerf looping

4 - make other killers as powerful as (or close to) the nurse.

5 - make gens to take longer to repair (or gather pieces to repair them)

6 - remove SWF

Don't you see a big flaw if all of these ideas became real?

I personally find it funny when someone asks for all this and yet makes fun of survivors by saying they want ez matches.

PS: feel free to add more of these suggestions if you think they have been proposed often.

Disclaimer: i've already said that swf needs a especial treatment and some small tweaks would be needed in the game.

1. Yes, remove free escapes.
2. Yes, nerf free escapes and a perk that renders hits effectively irrelevant.
3. Yes, nerf (or remove) what used to be an exploit.
4. Yes, make Killers powerful.
5. Yes, make it so Survivors don't dictate the length of a match as much.
6. Yes, remove a feature that completely shits on the balance of the game.

looping = exploit xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

Yes, it used to be considered an exploit of the different hitboxes between the Killer and the Survivor. Maybe if you'd played the game longer than 3 months you'd know that.

@CornChip said:
Why not just make the game 4 survivors walk around a small map with no objective and no way to escape while a blood thirsty killer mows them down every game in only two minutes.. should sell well

Why not just give the survivors electro shockers and let them torture and bully the killer...
Should sell well.

@ArthurFiNCHr said:

@Tsulan said:

@ArthurFiNCHr said:

@Tsulan said:

@ArthurFiNCHr said:

@Tsulan said:
I would add a list of survivor wishes. But they have all been implemented.

Damn... i do not remember that i was proposing:
1. Adding generator regression
2. Nerf for botany knowledge + we'll make it combo
3. Removing pallet teleporting
4. Adding bloodlust mechanique
5. Adding entity on windows
6. Exhaustion nerf
7. Removing double pallets and reworking pallet spawns

If not survivors, then who could propose it ...

Neither did killers. But sure, whatever you say.

Okay, so you are saying that killers wasn't making tones of threads about mentioned above on steam community forum. If not survivors, not killers then i guess we got some kind of sect which is trying to make your dbd lives change for the better. You have got an group of angels and you killers are still complaining?

/edit And am sure you all killers would be happy without all this changes just if DS would be removed? If am right, let's do this lol.

Let´s see:

• gen regression = probably some killer asked for it
• nerf to BK + We´ll make it combo = Nope, no one ever
• removal of pallet teleport = that was plain op
• bloodlust = sure as hell, no killer ever asked for this one bandaid
• entity on windows = same
• exhaustion nerf = killers asked for a SB nerf, not exhaustion. SB still is stong af.
• double pallets = sure, killers asked for a solution for those spots. They still exist, but not as often anymore.

And who could have proposed the changes if not for killer and survivors? Are you kidding me? It´s not like the devs come up with bandaids on their own.

1 gen regression = probably some killer asked for it ✓ Killers propose that = Killers get that in the game.
2 nerf to BK + We´ll make it combo = Nope, no one ever ✖ After that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heutrr7Pf1A and more other videos with using BK+we'll make it poeple starts crying about that on dev streams(not sure, but i guess on the one of devs streames mathieu even read question about " if bk+WMI will be nerfed)
3 removal of pallet teleport = that was plain op ✓ Killers propose that = Killers get that in the game.
4 bloodlust = sure as hell, no killer ever asked for this one bandaid ✖ Ofc killers didn't asked for a bloodlust because they didn't know for that moment what it was but... Killers asked for solution for a pallet looping, then Mathieu said that they can make: Longer chase = killer gain speed bonus, that's how bloodlust born.
5 entity on windows = same ✖ Entity on windows has been added when survivors starts learning jungle gyms, then killers get salty and yes killers was asking for it, even after adding they was asking for improvements to it(https://steamcommunity.com/app/381210/discussions/0/350543389011218244/)
6 exhaustion nerf = killers asked for a SB nerf, not exhaustion. SB still is stong af. ✓ See, you are getting even more than you want and still complaining
7 double pallets = sure, killers asked for a solution for those spots. They still exist, but not as often anymore. ✓
Not many of those was "devs ideas"

Do you really want that i dig up the killer nerfs?
Believe me, that list is 3 times longer than the survivor nerfs.

@Orion said:

@ArthurFiNCHr said:

@Orion said:

@Vietfox said:
1 - remove the hatch

2 - nerf ds, sc

3 - nerf looping

4 - make other killers as powerful as (or close to) the nurse.

5 - make gens to take longer to repair (or gather pieces to repair them)

6 - remove SWF

Don't you see a big flaw if all of these ideas became real?

I personally find it funny when someone asks for all this and yet makes fun of survivors by saying they want ez matches.

PS: feel free to add more of these suggestions if you think they have been proposed often.

Disclaimer: i've already said that swf needs a especial treatment and some small tweaks would be needed in the game.

1. Yes, remove free escapes.
2. Yes, nerf free escapes and a perk that renders hits effectively irrelevant.
3. Yes, nerf (or remove) what used to be an exploit.
4. Yes, make Killers powerful.
5. Yes, make it so Survivors don't dictate the length of a match as much.
6. Yes, remove a feature that completely shits on the balance of the game.

looping = exploit xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

Yes, it used to be considered an exploit of the different hitboxes between the Killer and the Survivor. Maybe if you'd played the game longer than 3 months you'd know that.

Bigger role in that case is playing perspective between survivors&killers, not a hitbox. I need to tell i hear about that first time since 20 August 2016. I would be grateful if you could write who said that can be exploit? Survivors? Devs? Or just a few killers who was pissed off about that in moment when it was discovered.

@ArthurFiNCHr said:

@Orion said:

@ArthurFiNCHr said:

@Orion said:

@Vietfox said:
1 - remove the hatch

2 - nerf ds, sc

3 - nerf looping

4 - make other killers as powerful as (or close to) the nurse.

5 - make gens to take longer to repair (or gather pieces to repair them)

6 - remove SWF

Don't you see a big flaw if all of these ideas became real?

I personally find it funny when someone asks for all this and yet makes fun of survivors by saying they want ez matches.

PS: feel free to add more of these suggestions if you think they have been proposed often.

Disclaimer: i've already said that swf needs a especial treatment and some small tweaks would be needed in the game.

1. Yes, remove free escapes.
2. Yes, nerf free escapes and a perk that renders hits effectively irrelevant.
3. Yes, nerf (or remove) what used to be an exploit.
4. Yes, make Killers powerful.
5. Yes, make it so Survivors don't dictate the length of a match as much.
6. Yes, remove a feature that completely shits on the balance of the game.

looping = exploit xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

Yes, it used to be considered an exploit of the different hitboxes between the Killer and the Survivor. Maybe if you'd played the game longer than 3 months you'd know that.

Bigger role in that case is playing perspective between survivors&killers, not a hitbox. I need to tell i hear about that first time since 20 August 2016. I would be grateful if you could write who said that can be exploit? Survivors? Devs? Or just a few killers who was pissed off about that in moment when it was discovered.

Fairly certain the devs have said it was "an unintended mechanic/strategy", which is usually how they refer to exploits.

@Tsulan said:

@CornChip said:
Why not just make the game 4 survivors walk around a small map with no objective and no way to escape while a blood thirsty killer mows them down every game in only two minutes.. should sell well

Why not just give the survivors electro shockers and let them torture and bully the killer...
Should sell well.

Wait so we get to be the Doctor and nuke you from 1 floor on Gideons and never do anything but spam electrode most of match? Well damn sign me and the rest of us up.

@Orion said:

@ArthurFiNCHr said:

@Orion said:

@ArthurFiNCHr said:

@Orion said:

@Vietfox said:
1 - remove the hatch

2 - nerf ds, sc

3 - nerf looping

4 - make other killers as powerful as (or close to) the nurse.

5 - make gens to take longer to repair (or gather pieces to repair them)

6 - remove SWF

Don't you see a big flaw if all of these ideas became real?

I personally find it funny when someone asks for all this and yet makes fun of survivors by saying they want ez matches.

PS: feel free to add more of these suggestions if you think they have been proposed often.

Disclaimer: i've already said that swf needs a especial treatment and some small tweaks would be needed in the game.

1. Yes, remove free escapes.
2. Yes, nerf free escapes and a perk that renders hits effectively irrelevant.
3. Yes, nerf (or remove) what used to be an exploit.
4. Yes, make Killers powerful.
5. Yes, make it so Survivors don't dictate the length of a match as much.
6. Yes, remove a feature that completely shits on the balance of the game.

looping = exploit xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

Yes, it used to be considered an exploit of the different hitboxes between the Killer and the Survivor. Maybe if you'd played the game longer than 3 months you'd know that.

Bigger role in that case is playing perspective between survivors&killers, not a hitbox. I need to tell i hear about that first time since 20 August 2016. I would be grateful if you could write who said that can be exploit? Survivors? Devs? Or just a few killers who was pissed off about that in moment when it was discovered.

Fairly certain the devs have said it was "an unintended mechanic/strategy", which is usually how they refer to exploits.

Not sure who was those " certain devs " but after quick research i found only that. Take a look on it. https://mmoexaminer.com/dead-daylight-pallet-looping-really-exploit/

If you can't open site or other i giving you a little quotation: " There are fans that would like to see this method removed, though developers have stated that it isn’t actually an exploit, according to a post on the Steam community. "

With that logic we can tell that 360 is also exploit because it wasn't " an intended mechanic ".
It's very easy to make a fairy tale for it, survivors by ping and spining really fast are making hitbox desynchronization with the body which killers see and that's the reason why killers miss.

@Giche said:

@ArthurFiNCHr said:

@Orion said:

Fairly certain the devs have said it was "an unintended mechanic/strategy", which is usually how they refer to exploits.

Not sure who was those " certain devs " but after quick research i found only that. Take a look on it. https://mmoexaminer.com/dead-daylight-pallet-looping-really-exploit/

And this show that you aren't really reading him, or lack reading comprehension.

He said "I am certain the devs ..."
And not "Certain devs..."

A lot of peoples seems to have this problem on this forum.
I think some does it on purpose, to be honnest.

Same here.

@Giche said:

As i agree with you on the principle, the double-standart here made me laught.

For what i saw, if a survivor troll, whatever the thread is about, it's "some lighthearted joking" while a killer reacting to it is starting a flamewar, i also assume that a killer's feedback is whining ?

**There's always trolling on this forum, but the flame war insults go over the top, scrubvivor really? I'm also not talking about just hat post but others as well. The art of trolling is actually quite fun when done right and no one gets offended because there's always certain lines you don't cross.

Some good biting sarcasm within a well reasoned post is a great way to zing one or more while keeping it still this side of civil. I don't see killers feedback as whining anymore than survivors. But what I do consider whining is when the killer isn't even out a full day and the rant threads popup.

What makes it so extremely hilarious is these come from sometimes along with the usual posters who when something negative will affect survivors. They say the exact same thing to them we're saying, it's only been less than a day. We tell them the same thing they said to survivors complaining, wait and see how it works out.**

I know this game and his community at least as much as you do (i assume too), don't tell me how to react to it.

I'm not telling you how to react to it, just warning you of the consequences of one of your choices you've chosen to follow. Since given the direction this thread has gone I'd give it less than a day may'be two before the mods become involved.

Also i still haven't figured out where are the insults in my posts.

I mean legit one.

They're there, you just can't see them since you're so used to using them.

Scrubvivor maybe, but isn' it considered like a "lighthearted joke" like the numerous "Killers just want EZ 4K" and other happy things i see regulary down here ?

Saying killers want EZ 4k isn't on the same level as calling everyone who plays a survivor scrubvivor then repeating it.

I saw that some peoples like to be quite sensitive over this aspect on this forum.

**This is funny since the moment someone calls out some of the killer mains on here they go ballistic. It's not that people are sensitive on here, it's that they're tired of seeing the same mindless mudslinging from the same few on both sides.

If you and the rest really want to have a flame and insult war go get your own private forum and have at it.**

Some weren't on the Steam forum back then, and still aren't on Reddit, quite weird ?

Some don't bother with the cesspool that is Reddit and Steams just as bad now. I've got one of the original accounts from back when Condition Zero was the 1st release from Valve long before Steam was even out. I've had a Reddit account since they were out as well

But Reddit has become the new 4Chan and Steam forums aren't far behind with the COD crowd infesting it. So the fact some refuse to deal with that type of 6 year old behavior means nothing in the context of where they post.

@Giche said:

@ArthurFiNCHr said:
Oh sorry and thanks in the same time then. English isn't my main language that's why, but still that's not changing a fact that theory about pallet looping being exploit is a lie.

No problem, it isn't mine either and i know sometime it can be difficult.

Back on the topic, pallet looping actually is an exploit.

You couldn't loop objects that efficiently back then in the firsts months of the game.

A patch (can't remember wich one) changed the survivor's hitboxe to make them harder to hit as a killer.
Those reduced hitboxes coupled with the 3rd person view and the pallet vaccum made survivors looping things efficiently and faster than the killer.
They just have less distance to do.

Devs just chosed to build the game around it rather than fixing it, doesn't make it less cheesy.

Glad they haven't re-added the vaccum tho (aka instant stun on killer).

We got already response from devs which is saying that pallet looping isn't exploit. The End, no more discussion, that's end of that topic. All we can do now is speculate, they even add bloodlust to help counter pallet looping. (here we also can say that using this is sometimes exploit if killers use that when survivor isn't really looping xD jk)

@Giche said:

@SovererignKing said:
Patch 1.4.0 Giche

Thank you, as we can see, it's been a while.

@pauloandrade22 said:

@SovererignKing said:

PTSD of the Magic School Bus

PTSD of the "magic house in badham as leatherface" i only did not DC due to the 26 k bp but i might as well have.

Isn't it beautiful ?

They add Bamboozle to fight some bullshits windows rather than fixing them (as usual).

And i'im pretty sure that they willingly re-added those infinites/semi-infinite .

Wouldn't surprise that they thought : "That will balance the perk and make people use it".

At least you can get the Clown for free... for the moment.

Yeah,

And bamboozle does ABSOLUTELY 0 in those magic houses since the survivors have to vault 2 windows to make the infinite too.