DEVS: Quitting one to two games a day isn't toxic, stop scaling up bans so harshly.

Oh, no, IDGAF about survivors with this DC penalty stuff. Survivors are literally unaffected by it because they can kill themselves on hook in 10 seconds.

I understand that, and I'm not trying to say we shouldn't be discouraging people from DCing or AFKing, I'm just saying that the current measures are a bit extreme, and are a little overdemanding of players.

I respect that everyone having a good time is important, but often if a killer is having a bad enough time that they'd normally quit but can't, they resort to playing in a manor that isn't very fun for the survivors so as to secure one or two kills (tunneling and face camping).

I can appreciate that some people are a bit quick on the trigger with deciding they don't want to finish a game, but I'm not trying to defend that. I'm suggesting one DC in the span of **12 hours** being the volume that keeps you at the same ban duration.

What I had more in mind where games where a killer is pitted against survivors who are completely beyond them in terms of skill, that they can't realistically play a game against.

I'm not saying DCing on the regular is OK, but you have to really stretch to claim that leaving one match of a game that has 10-minute rounds every 12 hours is unreasonable.

I was more referring to killer, as I said earlier, survivors really have no need to DC in most cases where the game isn't being held hostage because of how quickly they can kill themselves.

You've somehow gotten the erroneous impression I play a lot of survivor - I occasionally touched it but found holding M1 for a minute+ at a time boring as hell.

That's pretty debatable. If a killer where to just stop playing instead of disconnecting, would the survivors be any less screwed? They now need to spend even more time to get out of the trial and back into que. Is that what we want to encourage?

Oh, yeah, I agree, this is... not an easy issue for them to resolve. I'm trying to propose a relatively minor change to the penalty decay system to try to soften things up a little for general game health, but I can understand that a lot of folks are scared of any change.

I really do feel that the DC button needs to be seen more as conceding the game - something survivors can readily do in a few seconds by letting the killer get them, and kill themself on hook, but that the killer can only do by standing still and hoping the survivors do gens rather than run circles next to them.

I agree! DCing at the drop of a hat (or the cleanse of a totem), or a connection so bad that you can't realistically get through games, is something that 100% justifies scaling leave penalties. That's why I'm saying we should reduce the decay time to 12 hours, rather than removing DC penalties altogether. If a player DCs more than once every 12 hours, this won't change their ban times at all, but for those that are leaving only about one game a day, it softens up the bans some.

"Stealing BP" is a stretch - the survivors all get the 5000 points for escaping instantly, keep their offerings, and are able to start into a new game immediately. They wouldn't exactly be earning Boldness or Altruism points if the killer where to just AFK, either.

Okay? Survivor DCs are VERY inconsequential. The killer loses out on a bit of BP and a little bit of chaser/malicious emblem, but ultimately the game goes the same as if the survivor killed themself on hook. As I said earlier, I don't really care what the final decision is for survivor DC penalties, because survivors DCing doesn't matter much at all.

I really don't see it that way. Conceding that the survivors are so much better than you that there's no point continuing the trial is, if anything. beneficial to those strangers on the internet - they don't have to sit around holding M1 rather than getting into a new game sooner.

If it really where an issue of "Deal with it or face the punishment" I wouldn't have made this thread. I'm bringing this up in an attempt to stop the prevalence of the third and fourth options: Going AFK, or picking a survivor and tunneling and facecamping to ensure that they die no matter how well they play. Those options aren't fun to play against (even less so than instantly escaping), and having less intense scaling on the DC penalties like I suggested will help to curb that behavior.

As I tried to be clear about: I'm proposing we decrease the decay time on the DC penalty length, NOT allow players to quite games with any degree of frequency. Anyone who quits more than once every 12 hours would still get the EXACT same penalties as they do now.

Matchmaking is pretty exclusively a problem for survivors, killers can get into games easily with how few of them there are nowadays. I imagine that that's in part BECAUSE of this - people don't really want to spend however long it takes for a trial to end being forced to "play". This is supposed to be a game, that people do for fun, not some kind of sick sport. (Well, the Entity would disagree with me there.)

Let's put this into the context of a different game. Let's say you where playing CS:GO Wingman - it's a 2v2 mode that takes a while to get through a match of, and has a ranked ladder.

Now let's imagine that you where a Nova Master - around the midpoint for CS:GO's ranks - and where being pitted (for some unholy reason) against Global Elites - the highest rank bracket.

Sure, you might learn a little bit once in a blue moon, but for the most part, you're just getting shot in the head repeatedly for a good while. That's time YOU can't get back. You can see the value in being able to concede a game in this sort of situation.

Now, let's look at it from the other side: Imagine you're the Global Elite player. You play CS:GO like no tomorrow, and... you're bored out of your mind. You aren't being challenged, you don't have any variation between rounds, you're just shooting a guy in the face again, and again, and again. Maybe they even stop playing and just stand still throughout the rounds, so you're just walking across the map to shoot them in the face. Wouldn't you rather an outmatched opponent be able to concede so you can get into a more meaningful game?

Obviously, DBD and CS:GO are very different games, but the idea still holds, a little bit. We get green ranked killers facing off against Reds, and even Rank 1s, all the time. Many survivor games are just mindless holding M1 with a little bit of excitement for the 1 player that loops the killer.

You're never going to get back a second of the time you spend holding M1 and occasionally mashing space while your buddy loops some newby. Wouldn't you prefer to get into a new match sooner, and get some excitement?

Yes, DCing does ruin the game for 4 other players, BUT: You really have to consider that some games are just bad. There's next to nothing to ruin, because there's such a wide skill gap that the two sides are hardly interacting with each other anymore. Do you WANT games like that to force 5 people to sit around doing nothing interesting?

If we want to get shorter matchmaking times, we have to start taking serious steps into making killer more enticing to play. You're not going to reel in a lot of new killer players if they're getting hammered so hard their kids are going to feel it in half their games.

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