Lets not pretend NOED isn't a reward for bad killers

This kind of makes me want to feed them more now though.

I've gotten back into Hag. I play her with her webs, not a camper Hag. Yes, I defend hooks by placing one trap, but I have 9 or less in a strong and relatively high-traversed area, always getting hits, other times getting downs. I use NOED not for the 'get a down because I didn't all game', I use it to ensure my endgame potential, because my snowball through the match could and can more often than not, go awry, leaving me with one to three hooks, depending. Am I a great Hag? Heck no. I've said this multiple times that I have a lot to learn, but I also only use NOED to give me a boost in my endgame, because relying on gen perks early and mid game is too hecking stressful.

As survivor, which I play way more of now, I immediately check tiles for totems before or after I do a gen. I know all of the spots by heart. I even make it my mission, when we are down to one or two gens, to make sure all 5 totems are done. Of course, I am a killer magnet, so I often have to get NOED in the end, but if you know all of the spots, that one down camp scenario doesn't last long. Especially if you run BT, which I do. I don't like leaving anyone behind.

Is NOED a perk that rewards with no play? Yes. I won't deny that. It's a hex perk however. It's a HIGH reward/risk perk, and it's easily counterable by doing bones. Ds, as you use in your example, isn't counterable. Well, waiting it out and going for someone else makes it counterable by a degree, but killers have to snowball to get anywhere in a game, because they can't do their objective as quickly and efficiently as survivors can do theirs. So, if they happen to snowball the other three, they can't do much but slug and chase down the ds player, who could reset the slugs. Same can be said when you go for everyone else, hook them, then go for the D'S player but you eat it and lose all of your pressure, IF the player uses it to their advantage. Granted, there's a lot of niche scenarios where you need a pallet, need something to go your way, and among other things, but DS can make a killers win do a 180. Eating that Ds may be the only way to get rid of it, but what you lose by doing so could do you more harm than good, as well as benefit you if you eat at 5 gens.

DS, Dead hard, BT (counters endgame to a degree), SB, Adrenaline (this perk can destroy an endgame snowball without NOED) are perks survivors have to prolong their life. They have three hook states and two health states. This is base.

I'm rambling, my point is, NOED can be avoided. Even endgame can be ended with a quick search around the map. If you worry about not finding the totem, use Small Game until you've memorized the locations. DS and NOED are on a similar plane, but not by a lot. DS being avoided or taken could kill a match for Killer. Breaking totems has zero repercussions for survivors and only has benefits. I understand it's frustrating and requires no skill to use it, by it I mean NOED, but this can be said by many other perks that are used by survivors.

Just my thoughts on it. Hope I didn't come off as rude. I do find NOED dislike silly, but well understood.

I see it in a similar light to spine chill. Its normally used by bad players but actually has a good purpose. I see noed as a second chance perk like some survivor perks. I also see the potential of it as a good reason to not completely gen rush a killer. It can be frustrating but I don't think it should ever be touched.

I created a perk a while ago that if run, wouldn't work with noed. The idea behind it was to give the killer early game slowdown, without the potential of a late game instadown.

Let’s not pretend generalizing isn’t bad, you’re better than that

Well if thats the case if you refuse to do totems and the killer has noed just take the L we need less red rank survivors anyways. Tired of playing with baby red ranks.

It can reward bad killers because you can literally afk yo get the perk to proc.

Do I care enough to make a case about it needing to be nerfed? No.

Just like to point out the obvious. I never see someone who has no ed as “damn you worked hard for that no ed” more like “you’re welcome that the game gives you a free expose”.

Same can be said about ds

While I agree NOED is a crutch, survivors have many more unbalanced perks, so it's fine to me if killer uses NOED.

I've AFK'ed as Wraith until Gens are done and 4K'ed using NOED, Rancor, Blood Warden, and BBQ (for points).

Of course, I'm a "bad killer" for winning and pipping by literally playing 10% of the game >_>;;

NOED is the only "Second chance" perk for killer

And yet, this second chance perk is counterplayable by doing a simple thing: doing bones

With the second chance perk for Survivor their is not that much good counterplay :

• Unbreakable… well u need to stop slugging but slug is a very important strat as a kilelr for keeping presure
• Adrenaline : Sprint boost + insta heel, exept if u drop the Survivor , hit him 'causeu k now he had adrenalineu can't counter it
• DS : 60 of invinsibility jeez! And even thought, if you commit it, u loose time , no counter play (espacially with locker)
• Borrowed time : not a big deal, it's a second chance perk, but a cool one… exept one the unhook Survivor abuse of this mechanic for body blocking u while u try to hit the unhooker

Men… Seriously : NOED isn't a problem, u need to understand how killer work (i'm a kilelr main Don't mind me but i actually play Survivor a lot.. less, sure but that able me to understand both side.. which has killer is very important anyway)

The game, with the incomping update should be extremly balanced : gen speed should be good now, even if SWF can make u suffer, u can make them suffer with some toxic thing like iri Huntress , both side have some "unbalanced" and painfull mechanics and possibilitises , the problem is not the perk but the Community in the global line which absue (has kilelr or Survivor) of some very unfun combination and tech.

So yeah, if u think NOED is a perk for bad killer, u are wrong, like totaly, it's in general 'cause u gen rush are u are a bad player

NoEd punishes survivors for ignoring the secondary objective, doesn't punish the killer for being bad, it punishes the survivors for targeting only Generators

and hell, NoEd is literally the only second chance perk killers have while survivors had DS, Adren, SB, DH, Unbreakable, BT, and so much more

You literally counter NoEd by cleansing a totem, not even hard at all

This is not a phrase i like using but have you tried gitting gud? If killers that use NOED are as bad as you claim you should have no problem not being hit by them.

Of course NOED rewards bad killers. Good killers that I go against rarely need it. It's usually just the bad ones that do. It needs some tweaks.

Your argument of comparing DS to Noed hasn't had much thought put into it. Noed is a hex, which means it can be completely removed from you if survivors take the time to cleanse the totems, which by the way... there are perks and items to help with that. DS had 1 perk that countered it and that was Enduring, but that's gone now, and DS isn't even a 1 time thing.. There are 3 other survivors that can potentially have it. Its not like I'm defending Noed, I dislike the perk as well, its just the execution of this post was poorly made.

So, scenario -

You managed to get everyone onto death hook but gens have been popping the whole game. You're onto 1 gen left and two are nearly done so you don't have the time or map pressure to commit to chases, instead needing to kick gens and chase as a secondary in the hopes that a survivor blunders and you can snowball from there when disaster - as you kicked a gen three survivors got onto the other gen and completed it, activating all four of their adrenalines, returning the downed survivor next to you to who then runs away to the exit gates using the speed boost. They never cleansed totems, so now you have NOED. They 99d the gate and are now body blocking you to prevent you from downing their injured one. Luckily for you, you also have STBFL at 6 stacks and as such swing and down the body blockers but the other two manage to get out.

This isn't OP, this isn't "giving an easy win to the killer", it's just allowing them to make up for a lack of late game pressure attributed to the fact that the punishment was spread evenly and as such nobody died early on in the match. The killer still worked hard for the win, and ultimately the survivor's had a massive opportunity to cleanse the totems. If this is horrifically OP then any perk that provides a significant but temporary advantage when conditions are met are by extension extremely OP (e.g. adrenaline, SB, DH etc) but in my eyes they really aren't OP.

Would you agree that DS should work on end game because that's a free escape

NOED is trading power now for a possible burst of power later - that's all it is. It feels bad, but that's because the survivor knows it could've been avoided but doesn't know how to just accept that knowledge.

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NoED should probably tell people that they've been hexed when at 1 gen instead of being a "surprise, nerd." Other perks also reward "poor" play as well. Decisive Strike, Borrowed Time (sometimes), Fire Up (requires gens to be done) are all examples of this.

Doing Bones =/= to grabbing out of DS locker, if a killer hits DS then they must go through another chase, which could easily last for 20-40 seconds. All totems take 60 seconds, split it among 4 survivors and then there's 15 seconds for each surv, not to mention if you just spent time chasing them after finding them post-unhook.

Though I do agree DS needs a change however to not use it is a massive risk due to some awful killers. Here's how I think it should work:

Much shorter timer, 15 - 30 seconds. Timer is paused while in a chase (so if you get tunneled straight off hook your not forced to play stupid and go down earlier if you make some distance just to activate DS meaning it rewards you for being better). Maybe so you can't just be downed and the killer wait 15 seconds and then rehook you instantly the timer could tick down slower while in the dying state within a certain range of the killer?