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Another prime example why gen speed complaints aren't excuses.
Of course it had to be a tru3 video...
This time around in DBD's infinitely balanced not at all survivor sided gameplay, we have our wonderous new killer on launch with NO BUFFS. *He OBVIOUSLY didn't need any from this gameplay from one of the most popular and skilled streamers out there* This gameplay didn't host any crazy map god loops, crazy looping, or even crazy mindgames; this match was simple from start to finish, Tru3 played it quite well from the start but by the the 2nd hook at 2 minutes they had 2 gens popped, and even seconds before that they had 4 GENS near enough done... right... of course they unhooked the girl and tru3 decided to play fair and NOT TUNNEL the new off basement hook and chase her unhooker only for it to be around a 30 second chase and then another 2 FULL GENS being popped... and survivors wonder why killers camp and tunnel, tru3 literally gets punished for playing fairly and just trying to chase a survivor without having to play mircro manage hit and run tryhard style and just play the new killer on release day. Of he ends up getting a 3k but by result of him being FORCED to a survivor he hooked at the last gen being popped showing how this game encourages killers to play scummy if they want to have a chance at winning against the higher end of players or simply players that don't screw around and just rush gens. Note again no crazy looping or abuse of god loops, literally just survivors plopping themselves on gens from the start and just winning against from what it seems now another low tier killer that for some reason moves at 110% despite his power doing jack all and can be so easily countered. But no killer just gotta get gud, gen speed is fine and survivor is the weaker side having to deal with the such harsh stresses of camping and tunneling even though you have a million and one second chance perks to save you from that very thing. Instead of blaming the helpless killers you rush gens on blame the devs for their piss poor balancing and deciding inaction on this half a decade issue from release still needs no mention or balance changes done to it. *Clap Clap* For another amazing chapter in DBD! Enjoy getting Gen Rushed!
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In b4 survivor mains. **BUT HE GOT A 3K** mhm but survivors had multiple genies up super fast with only 2 toolboxes. And he could easily have gotten a 1k they could have just opened the gate and left its survivors fault for the 3k this time they had it in the bag.
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5 gens in 4:13 with a single brown toolbox and no addons.
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4 gens done in less than 4 minutes despite 80 second Corrupt Intervention.
Those Survivors had no stealth skills, were not good at chases and even worse at saving. While Tru3 could've played better, the Survivor team played worse and up to the 4 minute mark was carried by how fast gens can be done.
BHVR needs to start developing a secondary objective ASAP (they should also stop making Killers without movement/travel options, but that's for another topic).
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Also note how the devs won't respond to this post because they know they have nothing to say about this, no matter the evidence we bring up they will offer a whopping 0 amount of justification for their decision making in balancing for this topic.
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Why would they? From experience so far, they only respond to survivor based questions. Anything to do with Killer is ignored, and survivor mains abuse them for it. They've even shown it in Livestreams where people asked legit questions about perks and killer powers, but the avoid anything around killers and just answer the questions about 'How we came up with X idea'. And people wonder why they think devs are survivor biased?
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Can we see the videos of this happening consistently?
We've all seen videos of killers decimating in minutes, but it isn't proof that they need nerfing.
Edit: Damn sorry ahaha match lasted over ten minutes (7 Minutes for all gens) and ended with a 3K, damn, it's almost like the game isn't over because some gens get done
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Omg do I really gotta go find the all the killer games from multiple streamers or all the posts and complaints talking about this very issue to prove to you that this exists? I can go make a smurf get in a green rank game with clown and make the survivors my playthings if I wanted to, is that what you are referring to when you say killers decimating matches? We've all seen survivors that are average or make really dumb mistakes get decimated, your point? If it is evidence, the evidence is very much out there and very blatant but i'm not going out of my way to show you every case that has presented itself.
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3K, 10+ minute match, what are you trying to prove other than the initial gens don't matter all that much as the match isn't open until everyone is dead or left?
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IIRC on the Q&A streams the devs have said they plan to do something with totems to make them a secondary objective for survivor.
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You guys should check this out. 2:55 minutes for 5 gens, no toolboxes.
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Obviously you didn't read the very first comment to this thread
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The demo tunnels and pressures no one else in that match during gen fixing, they had nothing to do so that is entirely on the killer.
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It doesn't make what happened any less true?
There are more videos on tru3s channel of him 3K/4King by about 20x than there are of "gen rushing".
Initial generators don't matter, I really don't see how killers don't see this, you can 4K with 2 gens done, you can 4K with 3 gens done, you can 4K with 4 gens done, and those gens done don't matter because the game wasn't over until you killed everyone.
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A typo 4:55 but still pretty obvious the balance of this game is outta wack
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When a killer dominates that fast is because of a gigantic gap in skill between the killer and the survivors, or the survivors played really bad for no real reason (which happens).
Show me the video where the killer is bad and the survivors are good but the killer dominates. Then you might have a point
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Actually, from the time the first gen pops until the last it is 2:55. But yeah, counting all those seconds until the first pops, it is 4:55, as you said. :)
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The fact that is flying over your oblivious head is that the survivors had 100% control of how that game ended, they could of left her and easy as pie tru3 would of got a 1k from camping gg ez wp. But on their accord they went and tried to save her with two people injured and coming in separated... it was fully on the survivors while they lost not tru3 outplaying them and that is the problem, the killer is at the MERCY of the survivors decisions, not the other way around.
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Look at the clip myers posted, killer chases someone, downs them and applies pressure elsewhere in attempt to slow them down, it still results to nothing.
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The fact that these kinds of matches are rare as it is, it still ended with a 3K doesn't matter to you? These matches are incredibly rare, tru3 LOVES to upload these matches when they happen, but they only happen rarely, if it was a common sight you'd see these videos from him every day but... you don't.
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For one Tru3 despises these kind of matches he's said it himself, for two he has had plenty of days where he has gone against top level survivors through most of his play session he has said it in even the small tidbits of random games if you just browse his videos through different time periods, and for three there are many videos he doesn't upload to his youtube, that either go as what you see here or him just stomping so hard it isn't video worthy, either way yes these high level players are on the rarer end because average and bad survivors are more common... HOWEVER, these high end survivors are common enough to warrant the nigh thousands of complaints, posts, videos, and more on this types of players controlling the game and limiting killer effectiveness. The survivors in this game weren't even THAT good, they just focused gens, this is why so there are so many complaints, you don't need to be a all rank 1 swf OoO triple toolbox flashlight all meta perk squad to get games like this, you just need to be decent and focus gens on and not 3 gen yourself and you are good.
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I can tell your a survivor main or completely oblivious to gen speeds being to fast
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Friend reminder he’s one of the best EU killer mains
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you know tru3 is one of the best EU killer mains right LMAO I doubt many killers could come back from that, man you appear to love explaining how perfectly balanced this game is
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Of course he struggled with a new killer. It takes time to learn how to play a new killer properly. I was watching Marth struggle alot with Deathslinger last night. As the evening progressed he got a better feel for the new killer. I don't disagree that the early game needs to be slowed a bit. But you act like every game is filled with veteran rank 1 survivors.
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Not just EU, Tru3 is debatably one of the best killer mains in the game, along with Otz, Scott Jund, and Zubat. Lo and behold, these streamers also have trouble sometimes with games like this.
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What long ass texts
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I'm saying the video you posted adds nothing to this thread, it isn't an insight into anything.
Also myers video was of a trapper who may as well not have a power on Lery's, he downs someone (yay pressure!) and leaves them to get picked up thus losing possible stacks/pressure by picking a chase he then loses anyway.
I'm not saying that gens are 100% fine, but these videos are of games that are not nearly as common as you're trying to portray them.
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I don't think you understand really, I'm not saying the game is balanced, but these tru3 videos always get posted on the forums every time he posts them on his youtube, and they all end the same 3/4Ks, we shouldn't be balancing the game around these extremely rare occurrences.
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I've stated on this thread games like this can be not as common as ones with average survivors, but they happen well enough to warrant a half a decade long controversy to how survivors are the power role
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No we shouldn't, so is what you are saying that these occurrences should be allowed to happen? *By the By they aren't as rare as you make them out to be* I say something should be done than nothing, I never understood why people like you fight so hard to make sure killers stay as trash as they are, don't you want a challenge in DBD? Or are you okay with ez games vrs. underpowered opponents
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Uhm yea, these occurrences should be allowed to happen, because they ARE rare, go look at any killer main who is actually good and these matches are RARE.
But yes, they should exist because what can you do to the game to prevent these from happening that won't have an affect on EVERY match? You can't do it, killers can end games in 4 minutes, like literally end them, killers in here acting like these 4 gens ended the match in 5 minutes yet the actual match was over 10 minutes, idk man, I don't like using videos of people learning killers & still 3king as evidence that this game needs to extend gen time.
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That I disagree with, they usually do go back. They just heal before and work together.
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I've been tracking my matches since the 13th of last month, this is all red rank gameplay (besides reset day), 377 matches, an average of 9 minutes, I find even when I have a "fast" match I go look back at it and it's 7+ minutes, I've never seen anyone have consistently 5 minute matches, I can, and often watch multiple streamers and none of them (killer or survivor side) have 5 minute matches, HECK the video this post is about was a 10+ minute match (7 minutes to have all gens), sorry but dbd just wont be fun for anyone if matches are 20 minutes long lmao
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You dont get it. The problem here is that playing survivor takes no skill, no sweat. You just have to do gens. Being able to loop well is not even necessary. As long as survivors do gens it makes it very hard for the killer to win, near impossible for slower m1 killers. You literally dont even have time to hook people because the gens go so fast.
As I said before right now ebony moris actually put the game more where it should be. If a killer brings an ebony than survivors actually have to play good to win. Play good as in win chases.
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According to many on this forum I'm a "survivor main", but I mostly 3-4K every match, idk why a survivor main is apparently better at killer than killer mains but hey, it is what it is, I don't sweat as killer or survivor idk why you all struggle so hard, honestly.
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Tru3 fans whining about him not 4king in the first minute of the match is an immedeate yikes from me
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They could if they remain 115, but they definitely need to make the maps shorter/smaller
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They ignore the fact that tru only got 3k because the survivors played unnessarily altrustically at the end. They could have easily 3 man escaped. The fact that survivors played stupid in the end game and made the game go longer is irrlevant to the issue brought up here. It goes more to the point that these survivors weren't even good. You dont have to play well as survivor to escape even against a good killer. You just do your objective and get out.
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Punctuation, spelling, and grammar matter.
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Also if I ever did that at the end I would have been called face camping no skill trash by survivors in post game lobby too.
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Sure they do, because this is the gameplay Mr. "I play both sides" wants. He wants to have constant 4Ks with the Survivors not having a chance.
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Yay, a tru3-video where he got a 3K. How unique.
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Keep in mind, tru3 is a fog whisperer and probably in the top 10 best at this game. How many times do you see him die as survivor? Hardly ever. Yet, he still gets smoked sometimes when playing killer. KEEP in mind, how GOOD tru3 is, and HE can't even constantly 4k, and sometimes gets 0k... That shows you just how powerful the survivor role is alone, let alone a SWF team...
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Well, yeah, but I have a hard time empathizing when the killer clearly didn’t know what he was doing. His strategy was non existent.
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It's almost like NOED was created specifically with this in mind...
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Not sure what this proves. Streamers don't upload lowlights. Killers will see gens done too fast. Survivors will see the 3k and overall match length. And Tru3 plays the game for a living anyway, which makes his results atypical at best. Most people don't have 4k plus hrs. It's baffling to me that people can't take their own experience into consideration in these discussions. It's entirely possible for someone to be at red ranks with 200 hrs played and get steamrolled consistently by solo queue survivors with 1000+ hrs each.
Are gen speeds usually a problem for me as killer? No. I have 1400 hours. When the games do go fast, I check hours and usually find those survivors had twice the experience I have. My solo queue survivor games tend to be easy mode at red ranks because the maps aren't balanced around survivors actually knowing how to play the game, especially when the killer can't deal with safe pallets.
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The gens goes fast but killer gets 3 kills.
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I see a tonne of people saying about how he got a 3k anyway.. But, from what I could tell it looked like the survivors literally gave him it. They 99'd the door instead of opening it and tried to heal while close by, seemingly forgetting that Nurses was a thing. Not only that, but instead of going in, maybe more than one at a time. Only one of them went for the save while the others did nothing but try and pick someone up while close by..
In that situation, if they had all just left, he would of finished with one kill. Which would mean he had lost.
But, if they had healed to full, opened the gate, and then bum-rushed the hook while body-blocking. Tru3 would have had to have landed about 5 hits I'd say, maybe 6 with BT, to be able to down them all. With body-blocking, Death- Deathslinger is such an edgy name... Just gonna call him The Gunslinger. Gunslinger's chain would be made pretty much worthless since it's easily broken. Seeing as he's 110%, would be unlikely he'd be able to catch the ones that are in front with standard melee, and with the speed boosts he'd give the healthy ones along with reloading. I doubt he would have gotten them all, if any.
That's not even taking into account the dead-hards they had to dodge one of the hits/shots as well.
But, they were idiots and gave him free kills. Which means people have an excuse to say how he won anyway, instead of looking at the actual problem. That problem being how can you trust any kill ratios when people do stupid stuff like that- Oh and Gens being done really quickly. Which would probably be sorted by leaving the base speed the same, but increasing the time it takes with multiple people a small bit and giving Prove Thyself a little nerf. With the slowdown perks killers have and how toolboxes work now, I think that would even it out.
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Here is a step by step guide on how to fix your depression and sadness brought to by this game
1: Delete the game
2: Profit
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13 minute game, 3 dead 1 escapes, why do people always post the worst examples?
He did a lot of damage after the gens were done. Imagine if he had NOED.
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Do you really want to see how my games are going on? I can start recording 50 games and in all of them i will lose more like 1-3 times if at all.
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