Why are nearly half of Nurse's addons just so incredibly bad?
I've finally gotten back into Nurse after the devs nerfed her. Had a lot to say about that, but because I didn't have much experience, most of it was just opinion. Decided to suck it up, and give her a go. Went through her addons after a dozen matches, to see what we were dealing with. . . . and my god, they are bad. Seriously, it's as if the devs really didn't care at all when they made a good portion of these. So, this is going to come off as a bit of a rant, but I'm honestly frustrated at this.
To start, the farming addons, which themselves annoy me. Why would you take the killer with the highest skill ceiling, and give her farming addons?
White Nit Comb
- Increases Bloodpoints for Blink Attack Score Events by 100 %.
- Moderately decreases post-Blink Lunge range.
Dull Braclet
- Increases Bloodpoints for Precise Blink Score Events by 100 %.
- Moderately decreases maximum Blink range.
Anxious Gasp
Blinking past a Survivor causes them to scream and awards 200 Bloodpoints in the Deviousness Category.
Just why? I can see the top of the top Nurse players 'maybe' using these in a meme build, but really?
Then you have the addons that perks already cover.
Metal Spoon
- Moderately increases Grunts of Pain Volume after hitting the Survivor with a successful post-Blink Attack.
- This effects lasts for 60 seconds.
Bad Man Keepsake
- The Aura of a Survivor healing or being healed is revealed to The Nurse within after hitting the Survivor with a successful post-Blink Attack.
- This effect lasts for 60 seconds.
Stridor covers what Metal Spoon does, and doesn't rely on landing a hit. Nor does it have some arbitrary time limit. Nurses Calling is her bread and butter. Every Nurse player worth their salt uses it, as it's just that good. Especially if you match it with M&A. Why give her an addon which a perk already does? Like Metal Spoon, why use this at all?
Then you have her two brain dead addons.
Spasmodic Breath
- Temporarily disables Spencer's Last Breath and increases The Nurse's Movement speed to 4.6 m/s after hitting a Survivor with a successful post-Blink Attack.
- This effect lasts for 60 seconds.
Matchbox
- Increases The Nurse's Movement speed to 4.2 m/s.
- Removes 1 Chain Blink Charge.
These two really bug me, and one of them is an iri. You give up your blink to turn into an M1 killer. Why? Are these two supposed to be some kind of joke the devs were pulling? Where, outside of a meme build, would you be using these? You give up what makes her strong, just to chase survivors around pallets for a minute at a time? Sure, you can run builds with Nemesis and PWTF, but you're still just messing around with these. The fact that one of them is even an iri is what bugs me the most.
That's seven addons right there that are just awful, at least in standard matches. The fact that three of them are meant for farming is ludicrous. I understand Nurse needed her addons looked at and redone, but can it be said this was an honest attempt to keep her fun? I'm personally convinced that the reason they slapped a timer on her blinks (which is just a cooldown on top of her cooldown), was due to their lack of creativity with her addons. The lack of creativity 'forced' them to go the extra step with her power.
On a slightly different train of thought, wouldn't the time the devs took to 'rework' her have been the best time to iron out her bugs that have been plaguing her for years? Half the time I play her it feels like it's Me Vs Survivors Vs Game.
Edit: Grammar.
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The update was done with the intention of deleting nurse without giving refunds for cosmetics.
Just do what everyone else is doing and pretend she doesn't exist, this makes survivors happy and they shell out more cash because of it.
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because its nurse and still ignores every single game mechanic? and dont need much help?
basekit rework was unwanted but add on rework was needed for those ppl that were playing almost only omegablink nurse and 3 blink nurse,
and you want to talk about bad add ons?? check pigs add ons
boring add ons?? check freddy (just example)
repeatable add ons?? check wraith/freddy (just example)
nurses add ons that you mentioned arent boring or just copy paste with small % increase xd
so youre telling me add ons that change your gameplay are bad? how????? so youre telling me mirror on myers is bad?? but its funny xd
not every fun thing has to make you stronger xd, if you want strong add ons there are couple and from your post i guess you would use only those strongest so why would you need more add ons that you wouldnt use because they wouldve been weaker and boring???
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I understand TC I understand.
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Addons were crutch, base kit was fine.
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They really need to stop with the drawbacks on addons. They are supposed to empower the killer.
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I admire you posting this thread. Thank you.
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As someone who mains Nurse and used to main Pig, I can tell you without a doubt that Pig’s addons are stronger. Nurse has two addon types that are viable: range and blink recharge. Pig’s are almost all serviceable, with the exception of the addons that cause more skillchecks. Pig’s addons straight up buff or slightly modify her playstyle, while most of Nurse’s are counterproductive and useless. There is no comparison.
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"counterproductive and useless" you can call almost every fun perk/add on xd head on, pebble, OG dev hope 1, etc
why ppl thinks all add ons needs to be boring and straight buff xd
im maining pig and wraith atm, pigs addons except 4 that are supporting crouch, +1 trap, green +1 box, purple for box and timer (are imo too op and i almost never use them because i get natural head pops sometimes anyway) other than those 8 add ons other are just bad (status effects on that makes you want to tunnel trap xd, or 1% more skillchecks, or faster putting traps if you ever needed that, and ruleset that makes ppl wants to do gens xdd)
and lets be honest nurse doesnt need add ons (even those for recharge) shes still strongest killer (if you know how to play her) + what kind of strong add ons you want? +blink? lul you have your red add on, + new omegablink? lul (btw you still have range add ons but not as op) post blink fatigue? its till there, i almost never saw nurse with other add ons before nerf (it was always no add ons nurse or range/+blink nurse), so its not like they took any addons that were used
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u want the old ones, that only 1/4 of the addons were at least usable
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Why are half of Legion's add-ons incredibly bad? Why are half of Demogorgon's add-ons incredibly bad?
Filler for your bloodwebs to keep you grinding again and again.
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Nurse main here. Let me explain some:
Several killers already have addons that weaken their power but grant more bloodoints. Bubba/Hillbilly have speed limiter and there are others as well: https://deadbydaylight.gamepedia.com/Bloodpoints#Add-ons I agree that they aren't great and in general shouldn't exist. It could be argued that they are there to add "challenge" to the killer and give you a small bonus for doing so.
Many killers also have addons that are also perks. For example legion has several that causes status effects on their power. Huntress has things, clown has things, bubba/hillbilly have gen speed reduction on chainsaw. There are many reasons that these exist and they actually aren't bad. They can give you the benefit of having a perk without actually having a perk giving you room to put other perks in your build. For example, the legion one allows you to have sloppy butcher without having sloppy butcher. Yes, it lasts a short time because it isn't a perk, but it still buys you time.
Spasmodic Breath and Matchbox are unironically pretty fun to use. Nurse base movement speed is 3.8 m/s. Survivors move at 4.0 m/s. this means that nurse is slower than a survivor. Matchbox makes her faster. She loses a blink yes, but she also gains the ability to actually chase. On some maps this can be a godsend with so many LoS blockers like Lery's.
Spasmodic breath is actually really fun and it catches survivors off guard all the time. You blink, hit them, then they break LoS expecting another blink when you come flying around the corner at full speed, it leads to a lot of downs. If used incorrectly it does mean you can get looped, but it does create some interesting gameplay and choices.
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If you think she doesn’t need addons currently, there isn’t much else to say. If you read my first post, you would see that I said that while pig’s weren’t all buffs, they can change her gameplay in an interesting way (amanda’s letter, the one that hides boxes).
And no, becoming weaker with no upside is not fun. Nurse’s addons should do things like make her teleport faster, or help her track (no, the 30 second ghetto Nurse’s doesn’t count).
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Just like new toolbox addons
A normal toolbox takes 16 seconds, but then you have addons to reduce the noise in 8 meters or make no skillchecks appear wow
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Hello, Nurse main here as well.
Both of those addons are incredibly useless. What separates Nurse from the rest of the killers is her ability to port through objects, not to become a 115% or a 110% movement speed killer with NO power.
Her addons should have:
- Granted the ability to GAIN a blink after a successful Blink Attack.
- Removed her fatigue after a successful blink attack.
- Removed her RED BAR in exchange for 1 Blink for the duration of the trial.
These addons you can at least play around her a lot better and you can at least have old base kit Nurse back without the ability to port through objects.
These new addons are completely useless, I'm only able to use 3 or 4 of them if I want to keep up.
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That still makes it a meme build. I can understand if it's the green, and only a green, but an iri? Something that should complement her power at its fullest? That would be like giving Myers an Iri which removed his stalk/insta down, and just let him move around as an M1 killer. Or Spirit having an Iri that removed her ability to phase. Removing a power with their best addon sounds fun?
It just feels like they half assed her 'rework,' just to get people to shut up about it. In the process, they made her unfun to use. I'm not saying every addon should be great, but when nearly half are useless outside meme builds, a quarter aren't used due to better options, and the remaining, what, four or five are it? Something's wrong there. Maybe they should simply cut back on the number of addons there are, so we don't have this sloppy mess.
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I'm not too upset over the devs nerfing her add ons to hell considering some of them made Nurse too powerful. But then they nerfed her basekit which was just an insult to Nurse players.
So yeah, the devs wanted to take care of the Nurse problem in red ranks.
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I agree on every addon except anxious. That one is okay for detection and BP sometimes. But yeah just use CD addons. The devs fixed her in their eyes, so they keep her that way for at least a year.
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It's by design. The farming add ons are a consolation prize for now using one of the worst killers in the game.
"Sorrynotsorry for killing one of our best characters, have these nerf add-ons with iffy BPs if you can land a hit."
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Anxious Gasp is pretty good I mean they do scream when you pass them so you can find survivors hiding in the grass and such.
The point of Bad Man Keepsake and Metal spoon is of course that you can use other perks instead and still get a bit of Nurses and Stridor, so it's like having your four perks plus two half perks. But yeah Nurses is so good you don't want to take it out ever. But I very seldom use Stridor so I use Metal Spoon sometimes, it's not a bad addon.
Spasmodic Breath and Matchbox is fun and you have to change your gameplan a bit. Does not make Nurse better perhaps, or sometimes it could but if you get tired of Nurse these addons gives you something different. I like them and survivors can get a bit confused by them.
I have only played Nurse for around three weeks on Xbox so still learning, but I'm getting pretty good now. I don't mind the addons they are pretty usefull many of them. The purple ones is quite interesting and can work pretty well.
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