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So killers cant complain about genrush but survivors can complain about camping and tunneling?
When i see posts about genrush its always "just apply more pressure" and "its the survivors objective" cant the same be said for like the daily nerf camping and tunneling posts? Killers goal is to kill how they get the kills is fine whether it be standing infront of the survivor holding a chainsaw or chasing that survivor until they're dead. But camping and tunneling is throwing gens away. The difference is that if i take 30 seconds to get to the other side of the map with clown and i find and chase a survivor for 30 seconds and down them and hook them (which might take another 20) thats 3 gens gone when i was doing my job of hooking a survivor.Gen speeds are harder to counter then tunneling and camping. Especially when survivors have bt and ds to help them. I hate the us vs them since i play both sides but i dont get why survivors complain about camping and tunneling with how the game currently is. (And thats the base gen speed toolboxes can make it faster so even if im quicker doesn't make a difference).
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You can't call it gen rush... It's objective rush!
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Im not camping im just watching you with my chainsaw ready. Im not tunneling i just like following you lol.
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Goes to show the double standards. I genuinely think that those who complain about tunnelling/ camping don't play killer. If they did, they'd realise that killers are often forced to tunnel one survivor to even stand a chance. I don't like tunnelling as killer either, but what am I supposed to do? Lose the game because the survivors are not having fun? How about we fix the maps/ gen speeds first? I'm sure that tunnelling would become less common by the day then.
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Everyone can complain about whatever they want. It's human nature to complain when something doesn't go their way
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What do you mean, camping is always toxic and should never be allowed. If you're camping during the endgame then f you because that's toxic and I want my free win, all killers who camp are trash. I 4k every game with no perks no addons as clown and I do it all WITHOUT CAMPING. Survivor is so much higher skill than killer, do you know how hard it is to hold M1 on a gen while all my teammates take the aggro?
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Are you blind?
The forums/reddit/steam are full of people complaining pretty much about everything lol. Go head and complain too if you want, doesn't mean it will matter.
Luckily the devs don't listen to every crybaby , thank god.
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As if you would accept any answer, that were already given to you in other threads.
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I have lurked on this forum a long time and just recently signed up. I mostly signed up because you just don't run across groups of people like this all the time. It seems nearly every person on these forums is one of those rare people in this world that has a perfectly analytical brain that is incapable of being wrong. No emotions, personal feelings, or biases come into play when they form their opinions. The odds of that many perfect people congregating to one game and one forum are staggering to say the least. BHVR should be proud of themselves for creating a game that has assembled the greatest minds of our time. Yet there is something about disagreements between people with perfect opinions that seems to not add up....... Hmmmmmm.... I'm sure it couldn't be that opinions are merely opinions and people can be wrong.
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Yes thats the problem, if survivors don't use DS they will insta-lose. Any other builds that doesn't use DS is not viable and will get you killed. This makes for a very linear playstyle which I find to be very boring when playing as a survivor.
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No. There are other objectives than doing gens.
For example:
Healing
Cleansing totems
Good survivors don't do these things, and also get gens done really fast. 🤔🤔🤔
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Both are the definition of "Completing the objective as quickly as possible in whatever way you deem fit." The Devs have stated that none of these are against the rules. It's either you won or you lost and people will get salty regardless.
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It's funny because if a survivor complains about camping and tunneling and then they play killer, they will do the same no doubt.
People will keep complaining because the community is toxic and humans will be humans.
Nothing we can do, really.
Camping, tunneling, generator rushing are not bannable offenses so complaining or reporting them likely won't do anything.
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I get complaints about camping and tunneling all the time. They got a great map or gen rushed, I've got no choice. If I have time, I won't, but if the game is flying, I will do what I must.
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JuSt DoInG ThE ObJeCtIvE
CaNt BlAmE Me FoR ThAt
also what do i care that killing is your objective, the way you're doing it is unfun for me and therefore you're doing it wrong!
(not trying to defend campers / tunnelers, but genrushers out of all people should be very silent towards the camping / tunneling topic)
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Tunneling IS objective rushing.
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Ye
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K1LL RU$H!NG
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Devils advocate here but I don't use DS ever and I play 99% solo as survivor. I'm not some "perfect gold standard" player either so I have to disagree that no DS is a "insta-lose".
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I agree with you OP. I also play both sides and have been critical of some of these strategies in the past. I will stand by previous statements that certain tactics will limit one's growth as killer/survivor. However I now allow that these terms are made up. People can play how they want.
My style doesn't have to be your style of play. You tunnel and mori me off the first hook. You still get a gg from me. I am not going to hate on how you want to play the game. I have 4kd plenty and escaped plenty. Can't win them all.
Survivors are going to try to survive and killers are going try to kill. There are plenty of counters to all of these terms. Play the game how you want, chase the skill level you want to achieve, and try to at least accept that others will do the same.
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Ohh coin it lol
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Who said killers can’t complain about “gen rush”? You can complain about anything on these forums and get away with it.
Unfortunately this playerbase is full of crybabies who refuse to improve their playstyle/skill and blame perks or another player’s strategy.
Yes, I’ll be the first to complain about facecamp Bubba but there’s literally no counter to unhooking against that build. You can counter “gen rushing” by not camping and tunneling. You can kind of counter tunneling by running DS/Unbreakable.
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Debatable if your a harder killer like clown which like i said takes around 30 seconds to get to the other side of red forest could chase someone for like 30 to 40 seconds then hook them and 3 gens pop and congrats the try hard mode has begun. Especially when the survivors have perks like ds bt and unbreakable and thats not even thinking of toolboxes.
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If you didn't notice, everyone is free to complain about everything on these forums and everyone else is free to argue the point. That's how free speech works. So yes complain away about genrush, camping, tunneling, or whatever else. That appears to be the most popular choice when it comes to free speech... complaining.
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That's how it works, survivor toxicity is strongly encouraged and supported, anything killer does is scorned. The double standard is insane
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You can't complain? 90% of the posts here are about gen rushing lol.
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I’d say go for a 3-gen strat and destroy the pallets in that area.
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Im saying survivors judge killers for doing it yet complain about camping and tunneling.
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I play both as a killer and survival, and both the campers and the gen rhust is a problem, but the question of campering, depending on which killer we’re talking about to cauterate, if the killer doesn’t hit and drop you to cauterate with the bill's perk, and the gen rhust disagreement helps a lot, but the 2 are a serious problem.
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It's called entitlement.
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Once a survivor main streamer complained about being camped when all the gens were done, what is the killer supposed to do? Go to a corner and count to 30?
Then he played killer and every survivor that he downed he camped the hell out of them. I mean...
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I can’t stand camping or tunnelling. It’s boring and it really sucks as a survivor if you’re downed pretty early in the game. Does it mean that I don’t play killer because I hate it and I complain about it? No it doesn’t. I do play killer. I refuse to camp or tunnel Because it is a ######### way to play and I can still manage to get 3 or 4K half of the time without doing it.
Camping and tunnelling started happening more once ruin was nerfed (worst idea the devs had) but remember people use to play and win games without using ruin (before the changes) so it’s not impossible.
do I also think that gen repair speeds are too fast? Yes I do. Doesn’t mean killers have to tunnel or camp. Try different builds. You can still win.
im red rank survivor and I’ve been up against plenty of red rank killers that don’t camp or tunnel and still get a 3 or 4K.
when people make comments about how killers are pretty much forced to tunnel and camp a survivor to stand a chance, I think it’s bs. You get a good team of survivors and you’ll only get 1 kill by camping or tunnelling anyway. so what’s the point..it’s boring and if you’re only going to get 1 kill anyway why not just play properly and Figure out a way that works and get better in certain situations.
with saying all that, I do think something needs to be done to the gen speed. Until then it is still possible to win as killer.
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It is possible to win without tunnelling, that's why I said "killers are often forced to tunnel". Not always, but often, especially when you're playing killers such as the Clown. Getting one survivor out of the game as quickly as possible boosts your chances of winning the game. Hooking different survivors, on the other hand, is a recipe for defeat when generators fly. Also, let's not pretend survivors don't have enough "anti tunnel" perks, DS and BT to name a few.
Tunnelling can be a good tactic, as SWF groups will go out of their way to save their friend. I fail to see why tunnelling is wrong, too; after all, do survivors start repairing a new gen when you've scared them off one? No. They'll go back to the one they were repairing. Are they "tunnelling a generator"? I wouldn't say so. They're acting smart. They're playing to win, and you can't blame them for that.
This is why I claim that neither tunnelling nor gen rushing are inherently wrong. They can be the best means to reach an end. Are they fun? No. But this is the nature of the game: it's a constant fight. There's (almost) no honor in war. If the game actually rewarded killers who go for the unhooker, everyone would do it. But as of now it doesn't make sense; how many times have I hooked every survivor only to depip? Lowering the threshold of a brutal pip would be a good way to start.
At the end of the day, it's the developers' fault. Make the game less sweaty and add other objectives for the survivors, and you'll see tunnelling disappear.
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this right here explains everything :/
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The same reason why killers compalins about gen rush. There s no such thing as tunneling or gen rush. The same thing when you get called tryhard after winning. They just salty for losing and looking for excuses.
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How dare those survivors do gens! You should run around the map one full time, drop at least one pallet each, preferably the shack pallet, and THEN you can start A gen, but only 2 get to work it. The other 2 have to stand and watch. In the meantime, I'm going to pick one of you, get you hooked, then sweat about you getting away. I'm going to show you so much attention, you will die from it. That's right, it's attention, not tunneling or camping. Granted, this is a choice I'm making, unlike you who have to either do gens or die.
Trust me, I am tired of gens popping off left and right, but I don't blame the survivors for it. ######### are they supposed to do? As for tunneling and camping, there are much more effective ways to play. Unfortunately, it is the low and mid-ranks where this occurs most because those survivors are either not skilled enough or are too new to understand how to counter it. So, most of the killers on this forum that talk about it being effective to do this from the start are doing it in ranks 10-20 and purposely stay in those ranks. Why? Because they know they get owned at higher ranks with that mickey-mouse crap.
Seriously, I swallowed the bile and tried pure tunneling/camping at rank 3 one day and got utterly destroyed! I did it all day long and got only one match with a 3k. Then I switched back to my normal and applied pressure. I got owned in a few SWF matches, but no worse than the tunnel match - though I got twice as much BP by spreading around. The rest of the matches I got 3-4k in each.
Fact of the matter is, tunnel/camp as a pure play style only works in lower ranks. Most of these forum killers who cry about people complaining about it are just tools that avoid challenging players.
As for gen speeds, those need to be adjusted or something has to be done at red ranks. It is insanely fast. Yet, at lower ranks, it is not. Crazy desparity.
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the game isn't designed for killers or survivors to win every game.
you are right, survivors do have a few "anti tunnel" perks but they are needed in a lot of games because of the way killers have started playing. i'd rather have a chance than to instantly go down every time i'm unhooked. i know that survivors are sometimes to blame for that happening too especially when someone is hook humping.
survivors do go out of their way to save each other and for me thats because i don't like seeing someone being targeted. i've been in that situation and it really sucks.
as for going back to the same gen after being chased off it, it depends. i don't always go back to the same gen. also i agree....if the killer kept coming back to the gen then i wouldn't call that tunneling, thats patrolling gens and if a gen is almost done then it would be smart to go back to that one. that is different to tunneling a survivor.
i'm not sure what rank you are but i know when you get to red ranks, camping and tunneling 1 person will also make you de-pip. you need to do a lot in red ranks to pip or safety pip. do i think the pipping system is fair...no i don't. i definitely think killers have it a lot harder.
i also agree with you about it being the developers fault. even the tome challenges, they encourage a lot of unwanted behaviour, however, i still believe that tunneling/camping is an issue and so are the gen speeds, unfortunately it's not very likely that either will get looked at.
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I think playing killer comes in three stages.
1: Obsessive - you realize your goal or job is to kill but you don’t have the necessary experience, skills, knowledge to exceed at it so you change your goal of killing all four to just killing one and you naturally camp and tunnel.
2: Directive - You now know enough and are skilled enough to compete and realize the best thing to do to now snowball a situation in your favor is to make it a 3man game instead of four and will now purposely camp and tunnel one to death to gain an advantage.
3: Confident - You no longer feel the need to have an advantage because you know effectively how to pressure, how to fight against loops and know the various tactics to handle the most common and brutal tactics afforded to survivors and will only camp and tunnel when you deem it necessary.
I absolutely camped as I learned, I didn’t understand any thing other then my main objective was to kill and if at least one didn’t die that I felt I was letting the game down for both sides. Since I was not being the threat I felt I was suppose to be. Then I realized what I’d been doing wrong, why some perks were weaker compared to others, learned to juggle or slug and slowly got comfortable with leaving people to apply pressure, even though it feels easier and reliable to camp and tunnel. Biggest thing to help alleviate the mindset of camping and tunneling was to change my goal. For me, If I get all 4 stacks of bbq n chili, then I win. Go run and dance like little monkeys all you want, no matter how much do or if you escape, 9 times out of ten I’ll be leaving with a ton more BP every game and that always makes me feel better~
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Stop being bias when a survivor complains about tunneling or camping they get told to git gud and same for killer
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I'm rank 1, and I manage not to depip (most of the times anyway) by tunnelling one survivor whenever I deem it necessary. I usually don't do it if I'm playing Billy or other strong killers, but rather with Clown or Doctor. If the survivors are not toxic and don't have DS, I'll always go for the unhooker.
For the rest I pretty much agree with you.
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Yes because Killers are whiny babys and survivors are fully grown people that can discuss civil!
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uhh usually it's the other way around, killers can complain about anything and if survivors complain they get attacked by depressingly salty killer mains
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Look, let's stop making this into a "Survivor vs Killer" issue.
The fact is, the core gameplay rewards RNG and Snowballing way too much.
The mechanics lend itself to snowballing both survivor and killer side. The survivors gain permanent pressure throughout the match, the killer only gains permanent pressure by killing someone.
Because of this, survivors are encouraged to gen rush, and killers are incentivized to tunnel, camp, and secure a kill early, especially against those who don't know how to punish it or aren't coordinated enough to do so.
So, in conclusion, this isn't a player issue, it's a dev issue, one that has been an issue for years.
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Seriously, Gen rush (Survivors' main Objective rush - to open gate & escape) is equal to Tunneling (Killer's main Objective - to kill).
I dont say Killer stop tunneling will make Survivor stop Gen rush, and vice versa.
There must be a mechanic to permanently remove those to happens. Ruin & DS are the proof of band-aid fix.
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