Some friends and I tried to re create marth88’s perkless depip squad and here’s the results.

4 veteran players, regardless of perks and add ons will always beat a rank 15 killer lol what the ######### kind of stupid post is this

I will note that within the last couple months it seems purple and red ranks have a much worse chance of being good players in public games. I used to almost always start get good teams once I got to purple ranks.

Yeah I take issue with the toolboxes and such also, they stacked the odds super in their favor to get the results that they wanted. In most games you can find a way to stack something to gain a cheese advantage it reminds me of hammer bros in monster hunter world to break shara's head super fast when it was meant to take more then 4 dudes with hammers whaling on it like one of those old cartoons with 4 guys hitting a railroad spike

Are you implying that solo queue survivors don't know to do gens when one survivor is getting chased?

What ranks do you play where that isn't the case.

The point was this Oni has literally one perk, is clearly very new to the game and definitely the killer, and is a poor argument for this problem. And posting stupid stuff like this actually defeats the argument he is trying to make. The fact that the SWF team is red/purple ranks makes this all the worse.

Now if this was a rank appropriate killer with rank appropriate perks and he still got skunked this bad it might hold some merit, but it's not. It's a baby killer who got bullied, which is frustrating to see, but it doesn't prove the point about generator speed.

The other factor is I'm sure the chases were long and pointless for the killer, a good killer that can limit chases effectively wouldn't spend all four-five gens chasing one survivor without downing them. That's the other point, as cliche as it sounds, if you can end chases quickly and pressure survivors, generator speed isn't quite the insurmountable obstacle it appears to be.

What's even dumber is the "perkless" for survivors doesn't mean much when the killer was essentially perkless too. Perks mean way more to killers as they often affect the whole survivor team or the entire map, while survivor perks are often individual based or at most affect a teammate being healed or unhooked. To pretend that survivors and killers need perks in equal measure is false.

Like I said, this particular example does nothing to show the problem, and if anything actually makes the problem easier to blame on baby killers or people not knowing what to do.

Just proves how bad matchmaking is. Also what else could the killer have done if he was actually a rank 1 billy or freddy. 3 gens got completed in a minute 40.

(From start of the game to 3 gens completion)

That would just give a killer 100 seconds before 3 gens go popping. The killer cant split up into multiple entities and chase 2 survivors at the same time. Slap a freddy with bbq and pop and he might change things up a little bit but if you slap ds and adrenaline on all 4 then game over.

That is to the fault of the survivors. You might reply back with

"So it's not the killer's fault the match ends in 3 minutes?"

Yes it's not. Because survivors control the gens. The killer cant split into 3 other killers and somehow pressure the entire team in the first 3 minutes of the game. Killers rely on survivor skills being lower than the killer's skill to kill. And the games a 1v4

(Not saying killers should win every match)

The seems interesting but a single anecdotal data point, which is what this is, doesn't really prove anything. We can all suspect and theorize the root cause of this, but what we need is a data set to see what exactly is the problem here since there are so many variables that contribute to game length. Perform this experiment many dozens of times and record every variable (map, killer, time, loudout, ranks) and the outcome, and let the data speak for itself. A single data point tells us nothing; we need multiple ones to see a trend or correlation. I would like to see the outcome of an experiment like this.

This all depends on the player. You can either wipe out an entire team of survivors or could dominate the killer. If you're swf, you're getting a high chance of survival. I am a red rank survivor who has been playing since 2015 and I barely survive against killers in solo and swf. When I do survive, it's mostly due to the killer's poor choice of priority or it's a green-yellow rank killer. Even if survivors get the gens done, the match can completely turn around. Especially with end game perks.

Wait ... did they just say "It's the same Oni as before, then it's a noob"....

You gave yourselves away. 🤣

You need more matches against red or at least purple rank killers if you want to prove your point.

This is a poor example, but Marth's was a good one so to those of us that watched the "DePip Squad", we already knew that the game is survivor sided. If the survivor team is top notch and all 4 are in comms, unless they screw up, the killer is screwed. Bad team mates and solo queue "give" killers wins. This is why killers get kills. You can't eliminate SWF, you can't eliminate solo queue. The only real option is to put comms in the game. Just as with any game, you should be able to mute your team mates. You choose whether to use it or not, but it should be in the game to even the playing field between SWF and solo queue.

This is the main reason the game can never be balanced.

You do realize that the devs think that a game around 4 minutes is average right? So to them this is no sign of the game being bad.