Is chains of hate the worst dlc in dbd so far?
The more I view this dlc the more I realize it's probably the worst dlc in dbd soo far
Deathslinger- Fun killer to play as, but the most boring to go against, where nothing of him seems unique, since he looks like a typical npc from red dead redemption. His only unique aspect is his gun, and his leg, nothing else is unique about him, compared to the other killers. His power is horrible to go against since even if you do break the chain you still get to mend, would be fine if you got injured, but you also need to mend even if he doesn't hit you?
Deathslinger perks are some of the worst perks-
Gearhead works as Discordance but you are dependent on a skillcheck appearing, and even then you have a limited time for it to happen
Dead Man's switch- Works as a sort of thrilling threamours but it relies on hooking the obsession AND the survivors to stop fixing a generator, which to be honest would only happen if the generator is either half way or the survivor is desperated to go for the save
Hex: retribution - I am not even sure what even is the point of this perk, since for it to really work you would have to either be close to someone allready cleansing and wait for them to finish a totem, or simply using it against a survivor that is not paying attention
Zarina- Another boring looking survivor, nothing much unique about her, with some boring perks
Off the record- Literally iron will and distortion mixed together with the condition that you have to be unhooked and it only allows it to happen for over 1 minute
Red hearing- Works fine for the first time but after that the killer won't fall for it again, sure you can use it to bait the killer to a generator but pretty weak perk
For the people- Only decent perk this dlc, really strong if used correctly and can be broken at the end game
The map- looks amazing, too bad it's a small map, where everything is in the middle of the map, where everything around is empty without a single pallet, just bushes and cactus to hide on
Would love to hear your opinions on this, and remember this is just my opinion
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He’s the weakest killer in the game in my opinion
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I think you just described the survivor perspective of the DLC.
THE deathslinger
Super fun to play as, not that fun to play against. He's a cool-looking killer and probably the most satisfying to play as. His power is weak and it isn't easy to hit a speared Survivor since the chains breaks very quickly. Mending isn't the most fun thing to do either.
Perks
Gearhead - Was relatively decent on the PTB, got nerfed and is now a tad bit weak.
Dead Man's Switch - Synergizes with a lot of other perks, is good on Killers who can apply map pressure easily.
Hex: Retribution - Good if you are using a hex perk build.
Zarina
Her backstory is ok. She looks pretty normal, nothing too different.
Perks
Off the Record - Can help you against tunneling/camping Killers.
Red Herring - Has 2 uses: one of them is tracking a Generator you haven't finished repairing yet; the other one is fooling the Killer into coming to a barren area of the Map, similar to Diversion.
For the People - An overall decent perk people were asking for for a while. It can be pretty game-changing.
dead dawg saloon
Is a visually stunning Map, with features never seen before in DBD. It is a good Map for Killer since it is quite small and it's easy to patrol Gens. However, in exchange, it has a lot of Pallets for Survivors to use and the Saloon is a quite OP main building.
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Weaker than Clown and Legion? I think not.
And what other killer can pull survivors to them, literally? With perfectly timed shots he can deny infinites and window loops.
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Darkness Among Us still holds the title for worst DLC to date, Chains of Hate is excellent in terms of killer, survivor perks, and map quality.
If you don't appreciate the aesthetic of Deathslinger, you probably don't appreciate the aesthetic of Westerns.
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At present I think the worst dlc is the nurse dlc
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Was gonna say the Legion DLC still has to rank as the worst.
Legion as a killer was broken in all the wrong ways on launch and now is neutered into just being lackluster now. He came with one relatively meta perk in discordance, but Iron Maiden? Mad Grit? Yeah no one's running those except MAYBE huntress with Iron Maiden and even then probably not. Some nice cosmetics though.
Jeff is a lackluster survivor with very lackluster perks, he does have some nice cosmetics.
Ormond is easily one of the most infuriating maps for killers in the game, it's effing huge, all the pallets are EXTREMELY safe, on release it lagged players like nobody's business, overall just a massive failure.
The other big issue with this DLC was the complete misdirection of the trailer. You were easily led to believe this would be a killer who could disguise themselves or play mind games with survivors and instead we got edgy gang with knives. Such a letdown.
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Agreed, it's hard beat Darkness Among Us on this one.
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Not by a long shot. That title belongs to Darkness Among Us like others have said.
Legion was fundamentally broken from the beginning and is now a lackluster killer than is still annoying to go against but isn’t a threat at all. It’s like old Doctor...a pain in the ass but no threat.
Jeff isn’t even played often but has decent perks. Breakdown is great for sabo builds, Aftercare is decent for solo, and Distortion is decent as well. Jeff is just...there. Sadly he is the best thing from this chapter.
Ormond is a terrible map for killer. It’s one of the worst. Aesthetically they nailed it, but gameplay wise it’s torture to play on.
If I could delete one chapter from the game it is Darkness Among Us. It was an abysmal chapter that introduced a broken killer, a lackluster survivor, and a terrible map.
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Don't forget the Legion chapter. This one is certainly weak though. Deathslinger is just so...lackluster as a killer in terms of power. 110 and countered by dropping pallets. Cool.
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Darkness Among Us is the official title for the Legion chapter. But yeah I agree with everything you say, that ######### sucked.
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Darkness among us is by far the worst. Legion is an annoying, trash killer. Ormond is an extremely broken map. There's maybe two good perks between the killer and survivor (distortion and discordance).
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Maybe not the weakest, remember leatherface. But he is one of the most weak killers with no doubt. I really don't understand the positive reviews on steam...
He's literally a worse version of the huntress...
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I think i liked all DLCs so far, at least more or less, but yes, this DLC was just really bad in every possible way.
New perks are far from amazing, deathslinger should rather be an overwatch character instead of a DbD killer + his design is on an awefullevel like legion 1.0. And on top of that the saloon is the worst map every created.
So to answer your question: Yes, Chains of Hate is the worst DLC in DBD so far. And i doubt there will ever be a DLC quiet as bad as this one. In gaming.
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I think his western design is a good step and is original in the sense of DBD lore. I think the Map is excellent and very well designed.. however his perks are boring, not original .. this isn’t a criticism to sound harsh but I could think of better killer perks that don’t affect balance in 10 minutes.
Survivor - again, boring design, terrible boring perks. I’m sure many could come up with better.
I think this game (like many others) is missing real customisation (hair styles, tattoos, jewellery) I know that they need to generate income but they could do packs where you get multiple different sets of outfits in a pack but that’s another discussion.
overall the only thing I’m impressed with is the map. Feels like this killer has been rushed, the design of the killers appearance could have been improved and so could the new survivor.
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Gonna have to go with Darkness Among Us. The fact that Legion was so incredibly poorly designed, and the devs’ response was to erase them from existence and then basically completely forget they exist save to make money off cosmetics makes it kind of obvious that this DLC was nothing more than a cash grab. Fundamentally broken Killer with a map that was so goddamn buggy it had to be disabled on release, and then design-wise it’s one of the most AIDS ones so far. It's obvious that very little effort was put into this chapter compared to others.
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I'd say it's still Darkness Among Us. While we got an amazing menu theme and great perk in Discordance, everything else was meh to flaming garbage. At least the perks from Chains of Hate have synergy with other perks and the map is great.
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^^ same
as far as most generic killer... My vote is Freddy. What the other killers do might not be ground breaking but at least it's something unique to them in respects to the cast.
Freddy just has a bit of other killers' kits.
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Actually, now that I think about it, I'm going to have to say that the Spirit patch is the worst one. Not only did it give us Spirit, one of the most annoying, skilless, overpowered Killers in the game, but it also gave us her Perks, which punish Survivors for doing normal Survivor things. Not only that, it gave us Yamaoka, the actual physical most frustrating maps for anyone in all of existence, it gave us Deliverance, an annoying second chance but somehow a still mediocre Perk, and above all else, IIRC it gave us the healing overhaul—the grandfather to the no-heal genrush meta that has now morphed and evolved into the Second Chance: The Musical no-heal genrush meta.
Yeah, I would say that tops release Legion in terms of being bad for the game.
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Before I get attacked, remember that people are allowed to their own opinions.
Mine would be the Ghost Face chapter, not because of the killer himself (I actually have him on P3) but because it didn't come with a survivor or map. Now I'm aware of the whole licensing thing between Fun world and Woods Entertainment Konrad Pictures, but your boy would've loved to see Sidney Prescott in dead by daylight as she was the most badass character in the Scream franchise.
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So you are just disappointed Ghostface came to DbD alone, but that doesn't make him or his perks bad. You can not call it the worst DLC, because it's not bad (not even in your eyes). I think the word you should use is 'disappointing', but that is not what this discussion is about.
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No, you put that word in my mouth because you wanted to disagree with my opinion, which I said is fine to admit. I said "not because of the killer himself" if you actually took the time to read my paragraph carefully, I even mentioned that he was a P3 killer of mine. I never once stated his character or his perks were "bad". My opinion is that it's the worst DLC because it didn't come with a survivor or map, which isn't necessarily saying he's a ######### character, you just assumed that.
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It came with the coolest character designs aswell as the best looking map.
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If we're talking everything and not just entire chapters, I'd say Ash is the worst dlc to come out.
All of his perks are awful except one which got nerfed hard soon after release.
As far as chapters go, I guess the Legion one? I never really had too many issues with them but I also didn't play them all that much and I do like Jeff and some the perks for the Killer/Survivor.
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The worst DLC is actually taken by 2 Dlc's. One is a Paragraph, (Which is a DLC that contains ONLY a single Survivor/Killer), the other, well a full chapter. New map and all.
So, obviously, we got Darkness Among Us, (Legion DLC) which has the WORST killer in existence, and a survivor with barely anything decent.
The other being Ash, where all of his perks are more useless than a blendette in the bush.
Saying 'Chains of Hate' is bad is an overstatement, as the Deathslinger isn't THE worst killer, but he isn't the best. The Survivor is also more decent than Jeff.
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Hes the worst "killer" in the game.
I put quotes because using the term killer insinuates one has the capability to kill.
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I'd actually argue that it'd be Nightmare on Elm Street, pre Freddy rework.
Quentin's perks are meh and niche, plus he looks scarier than ANY killer in the game.
Freddy's perks are also largely hot garbage. He was also a joke of a killer until recently.
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As an overall pack, I would say Legion's was the weakest.
Dull map, mediocre survivor perks and my personal least favourable killer.
Chains of Hate isn't that bad. The map looks great (although the mechanics aren't fantastic). The Red Herring and For The People survivor perks are useful. The killer can be dangerous if the player is well-skilled.
Saying this, I am bored with the Saloon map and dislike facing Death-Slinger.
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MoM was hella broken on release and an extremely meta perk and Flip Flop is highly underrated. 2/3 of his perks (on release) were actually good.
MoM has it’s use now but it’s nowhere near as good as it was. Flip Flop is still a good perk due to the fact that killers HAVE to slug a lot of the time. It would definitely be in my build if I had room for it.
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But Spirit wasn’t broken on her release unlike Legion, even now she isn’t broken nor unhealthy for the game. Legion was absolutely terrible for the game’s health. She has SOME form of counterplay you can work with, Legion did not.
Spirit’s perks are annoying as they do punish survivor’s for doing their objectives (ESPECIALLY Rancor).
Yamaoka is god awful. Ormond is still stronger but I’d take losing on Ormond to even playing on Yamaoka.
I don’t mind Delieverance. While it is annoying at times, you have to at least get a safe unhook before using it. Jeff’s perks are still arguably better.
I’m not trying to change your opinion but Legion was broken on release and terrible for the game health while Spirit wasn’t nearly as good as she currently is. Yamaoka and Ormond are both terrible but Ormond is stronger for survivor, Yamaoka is just boring if you get immersed survivors. Jeff and Adam both have non-meta perks that I don’t see often.
The fact that I still have flashbacks to old Legion with Frank’s Mix Tape will probably always make me despise Darkness Among Us the most out of ANY chapter. I’ve never seen so many DC’s in my time of playing more than I did between December 2018 and April 2019.
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The difference is, Legion doesn’t exist anymore.
Spirit still does. Yamaoka still does. Her Perks still do. The no-heal genrush meta still does.
All the issues introduced over a year ago in that patch—all the terribly balanced Perks, the formation of the meta, Yamaoka’s existence, Spirit’s existence—have not been touched. Legion had his nuts cut off with his own knife a few months after he came out.
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But Nurse's Calling is such a good perk! And Nurse is really fun to play... after getting over that massive hump in learning how to get the blinks to work. :)
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But unlike old Legion; Spirit should keep existing and her perks as well. Yamaoka is the only questionable thing. The no heal thing was needed anyway. It just made the problem clearer.
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this is what happened when you make a multiplayer game without making leaderboards. Everybody thinks they are god at the game and if they lose, its not their fault its the game design. We don’t know if deathslinger weak or not yet it hasn’t even been a month since his realase.
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Apparently many survivor mains think that he's broken and needs a nerf, lmao.
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Survivor's have been reskins for the longest time. Anyone whose purchasing dlc and thinking something else is deluding themselves.
Even if your interested in a survivor perk, Shrine's has got you covered. You might not be patient to wait however, so you'd buy the dlc, but that's expected on any 'express' service.
Every new dlc centers around a new killer.
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None of those should exist, and the no-heal meta has not been touched for over a year and, if anything, has only gotten stronger with the sheer amount of second chances Survivors get that allow them to never need to heal since they can always take extra hits somehow.
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The Spirit vs Legion debate is no question. Legion was fundamentally broken and is now a shell of their former self. They were a failed experiment that should’ve never been implemented.
Spirit might be hated but there is nothing about her that is broken in the slightest. Annoying to face? To a lot of people, but that is subjective. She has counterplay. Nothing about her is uncounterable. She is fine the way she is. Legion had NO counterplay, NONE especially with Frank’s Mix Tape. Spirit is counterable.
Yamaoka is bad but so is Ormond. Both chapter have bad maps I don’t know why you keep stressing the fact that Shattered Bloodline introduced Yamaoka. Yamaoka is no more survivor-sided than Ormond. Is Yamaoka boring? Absolutely. It’s still not worse than Ormond though.
And I’m talking about specifically on the release date...Darkness Among Us is the worst chapter.
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"Spirit is counterable."
She does have counterplay, but the thing is, Sprits with have a brain and half an ear can negate it with no trouble whatsoever, so she might as well have none if the Spirit player is, you know, actually good. Granted, most aren't—which is why they're playing Spirit, probably—but that changes little.
"Yamaoka is bad but so is Ormond. Both chapter have bad maps I don’t know why you keep stressing the fact that Shattered Bloodline introduced Yamaoka. Yamaoka is no more survivor-sided than Ormond. Is Yamaoka boring? Absolutely. It’s still not worse than Ormond though."
Yamaoka is one hundred percent worse than Ormond. At least on Ormond, you can actually see.
"And I’m talking about specifically on the release date...Darkness Among Us is the worst chapter."
And I'm talking both short- and long-term effects. And the long-term effects of Shattered Bloodline are for worse than the short-term effects of Darkness Among Us.
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At least nobody's said SAW chapter, eh? People do seem to love Pig.
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While I do see why some may consider this DLC to be weaker than others it's definitely not the worst.
The Deathslinger imo is awesome I love his power and look! Granted his map pressure is awful but with the right build and skill he's pretty good. His perks however do seem to be pretty weak though ngl.
Zarina is kinda boring. She's kinda forgettable and I kinda expect her to fade away like Adam and Jeff. Her perks however are okay enough to use imo.
- For the People is great.
- Iron Wil didn't exist then Off the Record would have been awesome.
- Red Hearing is like a better Diversion.
I think the new map is okay-ish. I mean visually it's great but gameplay wise it's okay. The main building is extremely powerful but the breakable walls help combat it a bit. It's very small and the pallets are all close together so I can see some killers dominating on this map like Hillbilly.
The worst DLC imo is Darkness Among Us. Awful Map, Broken Killer, Forgettable Survivor, and meh perks (except for Discordance that one was pretty good).
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Yeah value wise when it comes to perks, its probably THE worst one on the store.
Legion is also pretty bad, but he's got at least one perk that's pretty good on some killers. Jeff's perks are ok I guess.
Zarina's perks are the only good thing about the chapter.
I wouldn't count maps in, as we don't have to pay for those. But Ormond is a cold pile of dog poopoo. The size, the elevation, the messed up auras, the ######### snow, the loop tiles and yet somehow they thought it was still okay to put all that grass in for blendettes on top of everything else.
Dawg will probably get more annoying the better survivors learn to run it, because those breakable walls are just breakable infinites that killers have to break. =-=
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Woah, you really didn't read my comment, did you?
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Sorry, but no. Legion by far has the worst dlc.
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she was fun to play but now she just feels clunky
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Its good, the map is really refreshing, nice to get a map where the sun is shining
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I did and I take defence to it because you assumed I was “disappointed” with the Ghost Face chapter when the whole point of the discussion was the worst DLC. I never expressed that I was disappointed with it, you yourself said that.
The point is, I am entitled to my opinion and I think that Ghost Face is the worst DLC because it didn't come with a survivor or map. Feel free to disagree but don't assume anything about my feelings please (aka 'disappointed'). End of discussion c:
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I'd say the Leatherface DLC is the worse, you only get that DLC for BBQ & Chilli but even then why waste your money when you can get it from the Shrine of Secrets.
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Whether or not you like Chains of Hate is up to you, but there is no way it can be called the worst DLC, this title has to go to Darkness Among Us, Legion was a horryfing mistake in every way.
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lol I am not doing this to be mean but I laughed when you said the Deathslinger is not unique but then say sure his Gun and Leg are unique. =)
I am just a little confused as to why you think this is the most boring one. I personally think when it comes to new DLC killers as much as I love him the clown was probably the bottom. I personally love the new map and the new survivors perks are decent. I mean to each their own and thank you for sharing your opinion but I liked this DLC. I mean not my top pick but certainly not the worst. =)
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You confuse concepts and call your feelings wrong.
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