Can we just remove Deathslinger's terror radius already?

Spirit is unbalanced piece of s*it without counter, how is it possible you like playing against her? I can not imagine that.

Oh, so I need to have perks to be able to counter one certain killer? It's bullsh*t and bad game design.

Yeah it sounds more like you are just bored and annoyed of him. No need to really take away his TR and I do enjoy hearing it. =)

So if I don't need perks to counter killers, tell me how to counter Spirit.

YAY I like your response to this angry spirit loving hippy. You get a upvote for this lesson in tough love! =)

Hi welcome to stridor how can I help?

as someone who studies game design I'll explain most of the core mechanics of this game as far as balancing goes. it's actually really simple. but i'll extrapolate it and explain some finer details since you seem to lack a basic understanding of the game.

level 1 killer with blank slate loadout beats a level 1 survivor with a blank slate loadout. This is fact. the reason this is fact is because the killer will always have an advantage in a 1v1 if the hatch is closed and the doors aren't powered. Killers can't die and there is unlimited time to search. so you're correct when you say you need something to win against a killer.

But just because a 1v1 scenario isn't balanced doesn't mean the game isn't balanced.

This isn't call of duty or hearthstone where both players are playing the same game. asymmetrical versus games are intentionally unbalanced in a 1v1 to punish one side for playing alone. you have other players trying to survive with you.

So the option you have for beating a killer is utilizing numbers in a way that allows you to escape.

and of course this goes without saying, but the game was designed to never have voice chat or survive with friends. So the question of how do I work with someone whom I can't communicate with pops up. And the answer to that question is completely up to the player.

• You can work on generators together,
• one of you can run the killer around in circles,
• you can pick different points of the map and control that area,
• unhooking a survivor doesn't have to be about making sure that player lives. it could just be a way to keep the killer from chasing you.

thinking outside of the box, interpreting what the other survivors are trying to do and then doing something that allows you to escape is how you beat a killer. it takes a hell of a lot more brain cells to play a survivor than it does to play a killer. because a killer only has to worry about "where did they go"? as a survivor you have to keep track of the big picture and every little cog that is or isn't spinning to claw your way to a victory. the other players might decide to make you the sacrificial lamb for example because the killer camps. in that time they may complete 3 generators, find a hatch, destroy a totem, or open a gate. the reality is people try to make this a team based game, but it's not.

you want to avoid dying by using numbers.

• the best way to do that is to hide.

hide from the killer and hide from your allies - the caveat is the other survivors will get pissed if you do this because they know you're trying to win at any cost and many times they'll throw you to the wolves.

• the second option is to learn how to run away.

this skill requires you to utilize the vaulting and pallet system. by default this tactic eventually loses. killers are just faster and you only have so many pallets.

• the 3rd option is to repair generators.

this is a combination of the other 2 and is more team based. you basically play the game straight up. this is what most beginners try to do and they often get caught because if the other players aren't doing gens this method takes forever. SWF players gen rush because it's the only way for everyone to escape and they're already communicating and agreeing to work as a team before the match starts.

no matter what choice you make you have to realize that your choice may not be right for every scenario. if you're playing solo and 3 players are playing together you're more likely to die if you don't help them because they're not going to look favorably towards the odd man out. and if one person sees you hide in a locker then their whole party might think you're a left behind bill instead of a borrowed time bill. however, in a 4 man random game you might be better off hiding and waiting for the hatch while snagging a few objective points here and there.

and that's really all there is to the base game. do you need perks to beat a killer? no. if the killer doesn't have perks you can still win a 4v1 game even with the killer being powerful.

the perks are another layer of strategy just like items. perks are designed to change up game mechanics in order to reduce predictability. most perks are time extensions or reductions. some are vision enhancements. some are sound reductions. some are movement speed enhancements. because at the end of the day all you have as a survivor is movement speed, sight and sound, and a bunch of 0 to 100 bars that can be filled or emptied. all movement speed in the game is based on the survivor base movement speed.

• for the average killer you need higher than a 15% increase to outrun a killer who isn't using their ability to sprint or in bloodlust. effectively making running pointless if you can't break chase or if you're using exhaustion perks. these are only good against slower killers on a reliable connection.
• if you're not crouching, you can be seen across the map, but the average distance that a killer can see you is relative to the terrain on the map. the tree map for example has a much shorter distance than he suburb maps because there aren't any obstacles to block being seen around the boarder of the map or the roadway in the center. with that in mind vision range is based on the map. on complex low visibility maps it would be beneficial to have aura reading perks, but there's no way to tell before joining a match what map will be chosen. killers are typically large and colorful so they're easy to spot.
• sound is all about how good the killer's hearing is, but sound notifications are either on or off. so sound is pretty pointless unless it mutes it completely. in the case of terror radius, it's best to not rely on it now with all the perks to distort or change it until you've discerned who the killer is.
• 0-100 bars should be your primary focus. this is how you get points and how you complete things. healing, sabotaging, cleansing, chests, repairing, powering, unhooking, struggling, standing, dying, etc. all of these are 0-100 bars.

that's really all there is to survivor perks. killers are kind of similar except the game is built on the killer's loadout so killers get to activate or deactivate game mechanics as a way to encourage certain gameplay. totems for example.

• movement speed
• action speed
• 0-100 bars
• gameplay elements (totems, regenerating hooks, obsession etc.)
• vision
• sound

in any case killers are pretty straightforward and their perks are designed to counter strategies that are typically used to escape - so running, hiding, and repairing. or they help grant kills faster - exposed.

in the case the case of the spirit - she moves faster, can't die, and can go invisible. so what's your counter to her you ask? her movement speed is slower than 4.6 for starters. so you can in theory just run her around the map if you have a 15% movement speed boost. even a 10% movement speed boost is enough to outrun her in most cases if you can break chase or get her to break a pallet. her ability makes noises when she uses it so you can tell if she's baiting you by standing still. when she's chasing in her ability she's following your scratch marks, blood, and sounds. so if you fast vault she can hear it, see it, and will hit you. when you hear her vanishing noise run back through the scratch marks you just made. heal constantly so you don't drip blood.

if we're talking perks... well sorry to say this, but she doesn't really benefit from perks since her power is so bloated. you're never at risk of her totems unless she's using ruin and trap totems - and ruin isn't really that big of a deal if you aren't lagging. so that's two perks that are basically useless so long as your team isn't a bunch of idiots. rancor, fired up, and so on are for late game which if you get that far then you're going to lose a player if you're not in an swf. so really aura perks, movement speed perks, and her own natural vision are her best friend, but there are counters to those like distortion and lightweight. play with your food just requires you to heal after getting hit. devious doesn't work because of her entire kit trying to misdirect you with her terror radius bbq and chili requires she hook someone first and since she doesn't have an instant down like billy, trapper, or bubba it's inconsequential.

add-ons are way more beneficial to the spirit than perks. and so she gets some pretty powerful add-ons. the add-ons are used to counter the traditional way people avoid spirit's ability. i mentioned a couple, but i'll repeat them. spirit can be countered by listening for the noise when she uses her ability. this is countered by add ons that manipulate the noise. walking slowly away from the scratch marks and double vaulting is countered by wakizashi or father's glasses, using sprint bursts and outrunning her is countered by massive movement speed add ons like the slippers. dead harding the effect or using balanced landing is countered by ability charge and reappearance. and so on.

it's mainly about her add-ons and how you work around those. she's not broken. and it's not bad game design.

If I run back following my scratchmarks without Iron Will she can hear me. There is no way for survivors to detect where Spirit is when using her ability, but Spirit can hear survivors, so it is complete guessing for survivors what to do to avoid getting hit.

Spirit is worst balanced character in the whole game and should not exist in current state.

No thanks. If a killer wants to use up add ons and perk slots to be stealthier that's fine. There's absolutely no reason Deathslinger should just get all that for free so then he can use stronger perks and add ons on top of that. Your logic makes absolutely no sense.

You don't know sh*t, mister.

I like how Huntress is,20m TR but her lullaby alerts you of her presence.Meanwhile Deathslinger randomly pops around corners like Ghostface

It's kinda sad that he's a better stealth killer than Pig at this point

he doesn't have a large terror radius because it would make his ability pointless. He's already as tall as freddy. if you could hear him coming he'd never get a chance to use his ability. Personally... i feel like his terror radius should bloom like doc's. but in regards to that how would that even be possible?