do Killers have second chances?

Yes, killers have a second chance: get in queue and try again in next match. :D

Noed and thats about it. Rancor? Well the obsession can see the killer aura each time a gen is completed so if the survivor has little bit of perk experience he will know the killer is using rancor. Blood Warden? Almost every survivor now just 99s the gen to avoid it and most killers don't use because of the 99 gate open.

How about just mindlessly swinging through a pallet and the survivor getting punished for making a good play? Many times I get hit with spirit fury the killer had built it up on someone else, and I was doing my job extending the chase as long as possible instead of just camping the pallets.

And if it's a one shot killer that might end up being the end of the game for you, as the rest of your team goes down at the same time and you get 1 hooked after being one shotted after a spirit fury pallet.

A second chance perk gives you another chance of downing someone or evading a hit from a killer. NOED is really the only second chance perk, spirit fury is only a second chance perk if you run enduring with it. Both of these skills pale in comparison to dead hard, NOED is more like adrenaline. Spirit fury and enduring are more like dead hard, but dead hard is much more versatile, and also it requires 2 perks instead of 1.

Just imagine if there was a killer perk that tripled their lunge distance every 40 seconds. It would turn every killer almost into a billy. Dead hard is just as strong. Combine it with another exhaustion perk and 2 other strong perks like DS / BT / Iron will and it's stupid strong.

A comparison would be like running this triple lunge perk, enduring, spirit fury, and NOED. That would be a build that is on par with survivor builds.

Rancor gives the obsession vision of the killer, and in order to get full benefit from it, you have to avoid your obsession all match. There's quite a few conditions you have to fulfill to get the full value of it.

things like DH and DS need just the killer to be playing the game and hurting you / hooking you. You don't need to wait til the end of the game, you don't need to fulfill specific conditions.

also not to mention the killer 'second chance' perks that i've brought up can be countered quite easily, DH and DS aren't able to be completely countered, they give survivors a grace period where they are essentially invulnerable, nothing the killer can do. Spirit fury is rendered 100% useless if the survivor throws the pallet early. NOED is countered just by farming more points by doing totems.

Except that Spirit Fury tends to require Enduring to ensure it is a 'second chance perk' aka two perk slots for perhaps one, two, or if you're lucky three proc's per match.

NOED requires totems to not be cleansed during a match and for the RNG to be in your favour when the lucky set of bones gets picked.

Perks such as DS, Borrowed Time, Dead Hard, Unbreakable, and probably a few others I am forgetting do not have many prerequisites, and tend not to be used for their intended purpose (because you know, people will bend mechanics to their devious plans when given the chance.)

I understand a couple of the perks I said aren't strong on their own, but the problem comes when paired up with other perks. Whilst to get a 'second chance' as killer often requires weakening yourself in many other areas, survivors typically get stronger by incorporating multiple perks for their desired playstyle.

And enduring lets you swing through every pallet to collect your free dedicated server hits you might otherwise miss, and then with spirit fury you are ignoring every third pallet entirely?

With brutal added on as well you basically ignore pallets and cannot be looped, and I think those three combined are one of the best builds in the game you can run right now. Toss on corrupt or pop too so your game lasts more than 3-4 minutes.

It works especially well if you are on a killer who one shots, gets totally free damage states (plague, legion) or already stops looping to begin with (clown).

Not every third. If you are lucky and have no SWF, you can at most get every survivor once, then they will drop pallets early. Also before, you might need to kick more pallets before you finally manage to eat one

Edit: wasted on Clown for same reason you mentioned, wasted on Plague as it cancels her power, and only works on Legion well if you combine it with the pallet breaking ultra rare addon. Other builds are simply stronger. It is only really a viable combo on M1 killers, preferably insta down killers, reducing it to GF and Myers. Chainsaws and Demo also excluded, as they can break pallets anyway, so two perk slots wasted for a minor speedboost

Spirit fury is pretty much the best killer perk there is for chasing down competent survivors. They will be running the loops so tight you will have no other option except to be eating pallets. If they drop pallets early you have brutal strength. Even if they drop it on your head with no spirit fury, brutal + enduring shreds it so fast you lose minimal distance during the chase. That means they are much less likely to get into a good position at the next loop, forcing the next pallet drop even earlier. Add in some mindgames, zoning them into bad directions, etc, and you will be downing people very fast.

Using it on someone like clown means they will be burning pallets at an unsustainable rate for them to survive the game in many cases, if you know to protect gens in the areas you have carved out dead zones in.

Plague never gets to use her power, so just having everyone as a 1 shot all game with the build is super strong. That's basically the same idea with legion, if you see someone, you collect your free hits then run them down with the build.

I don't see what else to use as a killer. I always run corrupt. Anti-heal builds, Infectious fright, save the best, pop, etc assume you will be getting lots of easy hits; and against really good survivors that's not going to happen unless you are playing an OP killer like hag or spirit.

Adrenaline is actually terrible. It assumes your team is good enough to get to the lategame in the first place, and even if you do, you have to be injured in which case just healing is mediocre and something like botany knowledge probably would have gotten you way more value all game long.

It's only good if you are directly being chased by the killer when the last gen pops, and in theory that's probably only going to be 1/4 or 1/3 of the times because there's going to be other people who could be gettting chased; or the killer might not even be in a chase at all. I never use it because I never get consistent value from it. It's nice when it works, but that's a very small percentage of the time.

DS/BT/Unbreakable can be abused but proxy camping, slugging, and tunneling are one of the strongest strategies a killer can employ, with little counterplay on the survivors end if your team is not extremely good or running those perks. (Less so for slugging, if survivors are getting chain slugged that is usually their own fault)

But sometimes your team gets you killed as well, and those perks are about the only thing protecting you from getting farmed or situations like getting caught out by infectious fright when the meg camping the pallet at the jungle gym you are at goes down while still wasting it and now you are stuck in a total dead zone with your location revealed.

Sitting in a locker for DS is also the best way to deal with a tunnel mori, the most BS thing in the game, especially if you get unhooked in a dead zone.

Heres the problem is that the second chance perks on killers are mainly controlled by survivor, NOED ill give but bloodwarden and rememberme? Those arent second chance perks really cause they dont give an extra opportunity. Itd be more akin to a perk that increases gen repair speed for completed gens. The biggest thing is that survivor second chance perks, killers dont have an interaction with unless you are being hit by it. NOED is taken down if survivors do bones but for things like borrowed time or decisive strike, the killer onky interacts with them if they are being hit by it, or begrudgingly having to leave the survivor on the griund or completly alone while a clock ticks doen

NOED? Rancor? Devour Hope? Haunted Ground? Blood Warden? Iron Maiden? Make your Choice? Not to mention killers have the ability to face camp and mori?

Second chance perk is pretty much everything that gives you second wind after you messed up while not limiting to being abused.

If I take one loop too much, dead hard give me that extra edge when I made a mistake - a second chance.

I just got unhooked and killer decided to go after me and I jump in a locker. He pulls me out and gets ds'ed - a second chance.

3 survivors are being slugged while last one is being chased. I pick myself up from the ground using Unbreakable - a second chance.

All 4 survivors are hooked at the same time, I unhook myself - a second chance ( only fair one IMO)

Killer gets a few noed downs during the end game - a second chance for the killer - can be disabled without activation.

Is it really that hard to define? Come on.

Well, I guess we simply just disagree due to different experiences. Neither as killer nor as survivor I have a lot of games where noone cleanses against Plague, there's always that one person cleansing which forces all to cleanse and hide for some time.

And I think the 20% max bonus doesn't really help that much on keeping the chase short, you need already dead zones to profit from that. There are way more maps that are full of loops and pallets that every pallet kick gives survivors enough time to get to the next loop. You need suboptimal survivors that first run and then look where they need to go to make use of that difference