Let's talk about the red mori

I don't see how a killer that can barely get one survivor on a hook is going to be able to get a 4k with an ebony mori..... I don't mind things as they are, I would just make them less common in the bloodwebs. I get way more of the ebony mori's than the other two. Make the ebonies actually be ultra rare instead of common and I would be happy.

@avilmask You still see the icons, who is injured, if you chase the obsession and other stuff. And if someone is preferring to approach to death hook than granting the mori, would it be so bad?

I think the condition would be fine. In an older thread we had the idea of that condition as well. We just 'reworked' moris completely to say a single mori is killer basekit after every survivor got hooked. And the moris add +1/+2/+3 to it. But currently the stats show killers are all above 2k on average, so a basekit mori would probably not be much appreciated. Survivor mains would yell about that in any way I guess :)

Except when you're plague, except when survivors don't heal (hello, 4 man adrenaline), except when you don't camp and don't see people getting unhooked and healed.

In majoirty of games people don't feel obligated to immerse and use identical skins, because there's no real reason to do so.

I suggested before that they should make Ebony Mori require all 4 survivors to be hooked at least once before you can use it.

Especially since the pink Mori is more common than the green Mori (on all of my Killers I have way more pink Moris then Green Moris...), the pink Mori should be changed.

Either by every Survivor being hooked once OR after a certain number of Hooks overall (4 Hooks maybe)... So if the Killer got 4 Hooks in total, he can start using the Mori. This would at least avoid games being lost on the Survivor Side when the Killer tunnels and moris someone basically instantly, making it a early 3v1, which should result in an ez win for the Killer.

So your guess is, if the 4 hook condition comes to play, we will have an incredibly raised number of same skinned survivor groups confusing the killer in fear of a mori offering?

@avilmask Would that not be what the majority of survivors ask for on every killer power: counter play? Still not sure what makes you call it a "dumb idea". Maybe your opinion, but you formulate it insulting. Just to mention it. Don't wanna go to a duel with this.

Yeahhh, a rework is basically a nerf. Just ask Legion :D

Get rid of all keys and moris. That's my opinion.

wut that's pink

All fear the ruby mori !!!

I like this idea!

In my opinion, after having insta heals nerfed, they still need to nerf Mori's, keys, and certain killer addons that are still too strong. Like Iridiscent Head. Luckily, Prayer Beads is being nerfed in the upcoming patch.

You don't pip from a red Mori, it's unfun yes but so are alot of things in this game that are being kept anyway.

If it gave easy pips then yeah it would need to be looked at but currently it's fine.

Here are my thoughts on the matter. My go to for keys would be not to mess with them. But if you DID, I would make it so keys could only open hatches that the killer had kicked shut as part of the collapse. For moris, I've had an idea for how they could be used to help patch an issue with killers.

While I don't think they're worthless, I find hex perks too swingy. I've gone matches where they've never been found, and I've had matches where they get deleted immediately and I'm down a perk due to random chance. My idea is this: when a hex totem is cleansed (with the exception of haunted ground) the killer gains the ability to kill the survivor who did it by their own hand, following the current hook rules. This does not inform the killer who the survivor is in any way until the kill prompt comes up. Ebony moris are then changed to allow killing of 3 survivors following the current rules. This way, a four kill is only achieved by bringing four hex perks and getting all four cleansed by all four survivors, or by bringing a combination of hexes and moris.

As an addendum, I think it would be good for the health of the game to make all offerings with the exception of blood point offerings secret. If nothing else, do this for me, devs.

I see where you are coming from and where a lot of other people are coming from...maybe a combination of ideas wouldn’t be bad. Someone mentioned the idea of having yellow moris built into the game. Although this would definitely be fun as a killer, it wouldn’t be fun on the surviving end because there have been so many games with clutch plays with borrowed time or MoM where it can make the difference between a team being able to save their teammate where with a yellow mori that would decently counter any clutch plays at the end of a game. I think your comment about only allowing ebony keys to escape from a hatch could be onto something. Someone else mentioned maybe making keys only available if the killer closes the hatch? What if red keys can be used to escape a hatch before and a purple only if your the last survivor or if the killer has already closed the hatch? Lemme know your thoughts on that guys.

Ebony moris on the other hand are very common in the bloodweb and completely change the outcome of a game before it ever gets the chance to start. Some of you suggested that maybe an ebony mori should only be available after hooking every survivor and some of you suggested that it should be available after 4 hooks regardless of whom. If that’s the case then I would suggest 5 but we also have to keep in mind many people DC whether on purpose or not. How would this fit in to this mori requirement? What if it’s a 3v1 rather than a 4v1? I think we can all agree ebony moris should be more rare in the bloodweb - like an ebony key for example. Green moris should also be rare. What if ebony moris were available after every survivor has been hooked/or 5 hooks total and they can mori everyone. And green moris had the same requirements (but debatably 1 less hook if we’re going that route) but you can only mori 2 survivors? Tell me your thoughts guys.