Remove/Rework SWF already

Your observation is wrong. Solo survivors are the majority of the survivor player base. Nerfs to SWF wouldn't hurt them (because they play alone anyway).

The other guy I was talking to did raise a good point. A nerf to SWF would hurt the teams that don't use voice comms. That is an obstacle. I'm sure the devs can figure out something though.

Devs can't. They either A) Don't know how, B) Don't care too, or C) Know how, but won't put in the time/effort/money/imagination to do so.

In a game based around lack of communication, of gathering knowledge as the match progresses, and working off that? Yes, Comms breaks that.

Well, killer get buffed, and if they need to be buffed to swf-level, then solo survivors will suffer. If its balanced for solos, killer suffer from swf. If swf is nerfed, swf-players suffer. Basicly, the devs just have to chose which group to alienate. Killer player numbers are already down, thats why suddenly map reworks that were needed for months come out to balance it a little.

I still think doing 2 queues with different balancing should be the way to go. And no, balancing around the advantage swf has is not about punishment, its about balance.

"watch streamers"

Shame the caliber of survivors you get depends on who lives closest to you. If you live in an area surrounded by casuals then you will think killer is a breeze.

Lets also remember to look what happens in the streams. how many times does the streamer hit through a dropped pallet? They seem to always have some fairly decent lag making things easier for them.

This isn't about making it harder for anyone. It's about balancing the game.

This isn't the place to debate whether playing games is a job or not (it's not), so I won't even get into that.

You Will never convince me its ok to cheat until killer players are replaced by bots we should be entitled to fun fair games just like survivors stteamer or not our fun matters just as much as yours killers didn't buy the game just to provide you fun or to put money in your pockets and if somebody gonna make money off the backs of killers the least they could do is not cheat with comms

No I agree with you, the team aspect of this game was going to happen one way or another.

The problem is that they didn't balance the game around groups and it SHOWS. All I want is for SWF to not be ######### leagues, miles, EONS, ahead of solo survivors because I usually have fun against solos, very rarely is the game even approaching enjoyable against SWF teams.

The reason I brought up perks is because they are obviously designing most of the perks around solo survivors, which become almost worthless in SWF. There are very few SWF oriented perks, and for good reason because if there was a plentiful amount the game would be in such bad shape I couldn't even imagine wanting to even LOOK at it much less play it.

Man, I'm a killer main and things are fine. Getting screwed over by SWF? analyze the game and figure out what they did to win and adjust your build. Did they body block you? Try true grit. Did they gen rush? Go dischordance and tinkerer. You got juked a lot? Run unrelenting as a crutch. They kept hiding? Grab nurses calling, blood hound, insidious, or iron maiden.

If SWF was removed from the game the community would die. I'm a killer main, pretty good too, and I find beating rando groups to be boring. Killing SWF groups is actually fun and rewarding. Learn to adapt and use your perks in a variety of ways

If its really that big of a deal, the ranked and unranked lobbies is a good work around. Killers can check "allow SWF?" Or something. Im sure that would seriously increase wait times for all groups though, but now that its cross platform, that would be less of an issue.

They could also do the gen and healing slowdown, but that would cause an increase in lobby hopping.

Adding a proximity chat would make it balanced, and would likely make more ethical SWF groups to use it, but there will ALWAYS be discord groups. One way or another, you're gonna deal with off-game chat. And if they debuff SWF groups there will be non-vocal SWF groups that get screwed over. There's no perfect fix.

I think its decently balanced as is, but wouldn't mind if they tried out a few things to help the issue, but its likely that would be a waste of the devs time and pull them away from other QOL and balancing adjustments in other areas, as well as slow down new content.

Do not come on here complaining about SWF until you've spent an entire day playing SWF on the official DBD Discord. If you do that, you'll see that the toxic bully squads are the minority.

SWF has advantages but it also comes with disadvantages. You get poor communicators (including those that don't talk at all), you get people with bad mics or thick accents, you get folks that say stuff you don't need to know and omit the things you do, you get those that are know-it-alls shouting at everyone to play their way, and you get people that don't know how to play or that play in a very risky manner. Another factor is the peer pressure. In SWF, you get people screaming at you if you don't save them. There's also a pressure to not let your team down since they can literally call you out on comms. All of these challenges offset the advantages, especially when you consider that it can be distracting. Yes, there are groups that play regularly together and are a well oiled machine, but those again, are a minority within a minority (since the majority of survivors are playing solo).