Why isnt NOED gone/nerfed

Uh, I think you just wrote this whole paragraph because you just got killed by a killer who had both NOED and Blood Warden. Lmao.

because the perk doesnt need any nerfs.

do bones next time and everything will be fine ^^

@TotemAreMeButCool12

Before I can get into WHY it exists, let me go over some "important info"

The main argument that a lot of players have about NOED is that it can be easily removed from the game if your team is intelligent about it. Others argue that the perk is entirely dependent on a Survivor teams ability to "think ahead" before it spawns, hence where the meme "just do bones" comes from, its a play on the sometimes tedious cleansing process that comes from a potential NOED user.

There are ways to tell if a Killer is using NOED, but most of them are subjective. Most players will agree that a "bad player" will use NOED more than other players, so if a Killer is "bad", than players prioritize cleansing more. This isn't entirely true though, but it's an accepted idea among the community.

But besides all that, NOED isn't really used as a long-term perk, or at least not in my opinion. The perk is more or less an optional perk that some newer players can use when first playing the game. Most experienced players or "vets" will tell you that they don't use NOED because it's a crutch. I somewhat agree with this view, since I do believe that using NOED too much will make you grow dependent on it. But this isn't about my opinion on the perk, this is about your question on why it still exists.

NOED to me really relies on a Survivor team "not thinking about it". That's where NOED thrives, it's a "surprise perk". It entirely depends on a team to cleanse it or not before-hand. If a team doesn't do this, than the Killer benefits from this mistake. Obviously not every game requires totems being cleansed, but its really up to the team to decide this or not... through their own "signs" that they see and options on if the Killer has it or not.

That's all fine and dandy, but WHY does it exist?

Why it exists is mostly subjective as well, and I can't read the minds of the devs on why certain things are the way they are. But I can tell you this, from my personal view... NOED isn't AS strong as some players make it out to be, it's entirely reliant on a teams foresight and/or decision making on a potential NOED user when in-game. So as a result, if a team can think ahead to cleanse against a POTENTIAL NOED user, than the perk can be countered. If not, the active totem can be found and cleansed... Which de-activates the perk entirely.

Because of this, it's IN MY OPINION that the devs don't see a reason to remove/change a perk with these counters to it. Again, it's my view on it... this isn't a fact and it shouldn't be treated as one on WHY the perk still exists. I'm not a mod or dev, so please remember that this is an opinion.

ending statement

NOED is controversial, but it still exists for the sole reason of "freedom of choice". You can either gamble with the perk against a team that might fall for it, or have the totem cleansed in the first 5 seconds of it spawning. Because of this, it's a players choice to use the perk to potentially yield a down or two at the end.

The perk might not be favorable, in-fact it's not really liked by most players in-general, but it's still YOUR choice to use the perk, and that's something I will always agree on. I may not like NOED for my own reasons, but you can still use the perk if you want to, that's your choice and that will always be your choice. It's ok to be open to constructive criticism about the perks you use, but at the end of the day... What you use is up to you.

Hopefully this write up didn't make anyone angry, it's just my opinion on your question.

NOED isn't overly impactful. That's why it hasn't been nerfed or reworked. I advise anyone who thinks it's OP to actually try running the perk consistently.

More often than not, you get one instadown and the totem gets cleansed. Totem spots don't suddenly become god tier if it's a NOED totem. You're dealimg with the same totem RNG as any other totem perk. It's not even about cleansing dulls. A general knowledge of totem spawns can trivialize NOED even if it goes off.

It's not a great perk. A killer running 3 perks is a huge trade off due to how much a killer's perk loadout matters. A single better perk when the gens are up can be the difference in a 2k or a 0k. It's a severe tradeoff for an instadown perk.

Cool, the weekly remove NOED because I don't take time to do the totems post.

So you don’t wanna do totems cause they take to much time. They are supposed to take time it gives you the option deal with possible noed or do bones which helps slow the game down for the killer just a tad. Your counter to ds of just slug what is the next step after that oh that’s right wait until ds goes away a minute from the unhook time. So can’t do bones cause they take to long but counter to ds is wait hmmmmm.

Shame on you for giving in to the Diablo devs and buying a phone!

The big question is... Why are you still tilted by a perk you already know how to counter? A perk which, btw is run a majority by M1 killers.....

Also, if you ever wanna improve in the game you gotta stop giving yourself excuses as why NOT to do something. You say, you shouldn't use a perk slot to find objectives.....so.... that means you're not willing to look for hexes period. If you're the type of person to skip out on hexes then you'll continually get caught off guard by them.

Yes. Obviously this is possible. But when you are playing as solo. If all 4 solo survivors are running around looking for 5 totems. Then that's going to be an insane time waste. Where as of course SWF can just count how many totems they've cleansed over voice comms. Just too much work to figure how how many totems are cleansed by your teammates when you have no way to communicate that.

That's my strategy too :)

I don't understand if that argument is something I'll agree with. If we want to go on the using perks to counter. Survivors often use BT to counter camping, DS to counter tunneling, unbreakable to counter slugging. Killer's were given the best perk in the game with BBQ & Chili to help them stop camping survivors. There's also a lot of other little tools and perks out there that survivors use to counter killers gameplay.

In the end survivors usually end up running a ton of different perks and tools to counter killers when they run into one that has an 'unfun' playstyle. Giving up 1 perk that counters the fact that you didn't play good all game.

I would not be crazy enough to go to the point to say, "NOED is a survivor dream perk."

"I get theres ways to counter it but who the [BAD WORD] is actually gonna cleanse totems during high ranks"

People who don't want to risk eating a NOED.

Oh I absolutely hate NOED because I kind of agree with a lot of the stereotypes people gives it: about it being used mostly for skill-less killers who fail all game and need it to save them in the end, that sort of thing. I only really have any care about it just because it's like moris, where I feel like I run into it a little under half my games.

Thing is, I can't really hate on it too hard though. It's true that survivors can cleanse 3 totems and have their team mates do none, and suffer for it. All I really have to say to that though, is that that's what happens when you play solo survivor. Get a couple friends if you want to be super sure it's gonna get done. I say this from a solo player's perspective. I don't have friends that play DbD often, and I don't want to bother making any new ones, so that's the price I have to pay. I still cleanse totems because first, it gets me a bunch of points, and second, admittedly it keeps me a little less at risk compared to my team mates because killers are usually patrolling gens and not totems.

I don't exactly have a strong stand for NOED, as I could be just as content with it being nerfed/changed as I would with it staying the same probably. The thing about that is, we as players can't choose whether it gets nerfed or changed. We can only deal with it in its current iteration. That's why, my personal view on NOED, is that players should just cleanse the totems. It sounds cliche I know, but if it just became one of those "unspoken rule" kinds of things (like how people used to sort of all just never cleanse against Plague) then NOED's threat would be significantly diminished. One of the strongest parts about NOED is similar to (but not the same as) Devour Hope: the element of surprise. It won't reveal itself until you actually instant down somebody. If people could just simply trust each other to cleanse a totem eventually if they end up passing it by, then NOED use would be heavily discouraged, and that threat wouldn't be there.

NOED is lame and stupid, but it's also a trash tier perk that bad killers think is good. The most it'll usually do for them is get 1 pity kill at the end of a match when they failed to complete their objective in time. The reason why it's usually only 1 kill is because the remaining survivors will just book it out of the exit gates anyway. And also a lot of the lower rank killers who run it will get a down, hook and then camp until death. It gives the other 3 survivors more than enough time to find the totem and then bomb the hook with BT to get a save.

That's pretty accurate. In theory, you could snowball and kill everyone, but the reality is that it either gets cleansed or everybody books it. Guaranteeing one kill with no effort required, however, probably sounds super strong to a weak killer that normally gets 0-2 kills.

Coming from a survivor here, NOED is fine. I break totems, hopefully the team has the same mindset. If you get dropped by NOED, blame goes either to you for not breaking totems, or to your team for not breaking them. Gens are main, but totems are your objective too. Stop being lazy and break bones!