Playing Killer is Easy

its just how your game goes i most likely get gen rushed for me but sometimes i win really ez its werid and dumb so yhea killer can be hard or easy.

This! If you feel like something is easy just shoot yourself in a leg. Great response.

If I had a penny for every time you said you don't mean to start an argument or antagonize anyone...

I'm genuinely glad that you are having a good time with this game but it seems silly to take your objective experience ("I had an easy time playing killer") and apply it as an objective rule ("It is easy to play killer"). Just my two cents.

Flagrant strawman arguments don't change anyone's mind, at best stroking the poster's ego and at worst continuing to polarize an already polarized community. I want to make it clear that I'm not really for the killer or survivor side, I'm just interested in people making arguments that will prompt actual change instead of endless trench warfare.

Most of the time maps aren’t that bad of RNG but I’ve gotten some ROUGH Coldwind RNG maps. Disturbed Ward is always bad, you basically have to abandon chase if they get to the middle.

I can’t complain too much about map RNG because I play Spirit most frequently out of any killer. Just like you play Billy so you don’t have as much trouble with loops and map RNG. Spirit and Billy just don’t care as much as other killers do. Both can pressure the map and quickly end chases.

Most killers are not weak. People like to complain A LOT about killers being underpowered. An example is Plague. I have played Plague a lot and people say she’s super weak but Plague is STRONG if you play her well. People just want every killer to be on the level of Spirit/Billy and that won’t happen :/

The only killers who need serious reworks are Clown, Bubba, and Legion.

I think the main think killers forget time and time again, and I do believe every single killer players has got caught in this mindset at least once.

Getting 4 kills isn't a win condition, and getting less isn't considered a loss.

Some games I play killer and I might not kill anyone or only kill 1 person. But I easily pip and get brutal. Because of how much damage I do yo the survivors, most are dead hooks, most if not all pallets are gone, smashed the gens several times and smacked the survivors more than I can count.

Yeah I won't get much for actually killing the survivors but kills aren't a straight up measure of skill or is a camper just sitting at a hook and somehow getting a 4 kill, a good killer? Yes he'll get his 4 kill but it has done nothing else, not smashed gens, pallets or really chased, plus he loses points in chaser for camping.

As killer and survivor you have 4 categories, most survivors who play the game in general rarely get all 4 gold or higher, they usually get 3 or so (1 for going gens or saving alot (can be difficult to get both, it's usually just one or the other) 1 for not going down much, 1 for hiding or running away good.

Killer is the same but for killer it's easier to get all 4 but getting all 4 isn't completely necessary for a 'win' condition. Just being a brutal manic who smacks those kiddies is enough for a 'win', you get a ton of bloodpoints and probably a pip or safety at least. It's mot about the killing that makes it a win, the post game screen for killer is a good indicator. Brutal I consider a win in any game. Merciless I consider a major overwhelming win. I only see displeased as a lose. But that's just me. Thought I'd share some things I've learn based on my killer experience and not to be too hard on myself for not scoring a 4 kill every game or some other self made idea of victory.

Your response just makes it seem like you're not really looking for constructive feedback, but rather just looking for people to validate what you're saying, which is unlikely to happen because you just don't make a very persuasive case. You honestly sound like another hostile, angry, toxic player that this game unfortunately tends to produce due to its balance issues. Most of those issues could probably be resolved with a better matchmaking system and by borrowing concepts or mechanics from other asymmetrical games that are less toxic and have less polarized communities.

You're the one who complained about how easy your matches are, and again, your response just shows that you're probably not challenging yourself.

I could probably get a 4k every match if I played completely unrestrained and used every tactic that survivors despise. That's not to say I don't use some of those strategies myself in very limited circumstances. If the whole team is hook rushing in clear view the second I down someone or put them on the hook then yeah, I'd probably stick close to the downed survivor. If I haven't gotten any kills and the exit gates are open, yeah I'm probably going to camp that survivor I just hooked, unless I get the distinct sense that their whole team kind of sucks and so do they then I might wander off and give them a chance to get rescued. It's all situational, but you really can't complain if you find it easy when you're not challenging yourself.

The same could be said on the survivor side. You could easily form a tight SWF and all bring flashlights and meta perks and use every dirty tactic in the survivor handbook such as flashlight clicking, god loops, body blocking, hook sabotaging, hook rushing, rushing downed teammates, and gen rushing but then you're not really challenging yourself either. Instead you could limit flashlights to flashlight saves and the occasional pallet break blind and create a perk build you think might be fun as opposed to one that's coordinated to inflict absolute misery. You could also challenge yourself to limit the amount to which you use any single pallet or loop.

The problem is when people don't play with any limitations because doing so is essentially just exploiting the bugs and shortcomings of the game mechanics.

I'm not going to judge anyone for how they play, but I think people do need to be honest with themselves about the difference between unsportsmanlike and sportsmanlike conduct. In most games you have the opportunity to play either or and with this game people tend to mistake the fact that just because something is possible then that means it's sportsmanlike. That's just not true. The fact that the game keeps getting tweeked and updated is evidence enough that this isn't true and the game itself is continually evolving to try and achieve a state of balanced and fair gameplay with less opportunities for unsportsmanlike conduct.

The big issue currently is the new player experience, new killer experience that is.

I've played plenty of killer over this game's lifespan. Recently I started playing on two new accounts. One on my PC and the other is my brother's I've been trying to teach them. Out of all these games I feel the majority would have an actual new killer getting stomped. Take for instance rank reset recently, this account was at max rank 16 before, turned rank 17. First match there's a rank 5 Feng in my game... what? Again brand new account and most games are full builds and survivors actually playing decently at the least. I know what I'm doing so I could care less who's in my game honestly. However watching my brother play, he'll look right at a survivor most of the time and not even realize it just for example... It's pretty obvious neither of them are enjoying it either especially when they literally tell me "I'd rather watch you play". Getting stomped sucks and killer is frustrating that's undeniable. It isn't about how I've been watching two baby killers play but from my games as an experienced killer and the teams I've played on these new accounts.

The new killer experience is not a friendly one is the conclusion I've come to. We're talking brand new to the role not you or I who have been away for a while don't get me wrong.

Actually I kind of agree with you to a point.

I had super lag and Redlined on connection speeds and I still somehow manage to get all of the survivors if not 3.

Killer main here, totally agree with this post. I feel like an absolute god with Ghostface lately. It’s like everyone forgot how to do gens or loop, they practically walk into my knife. I know ranks have been broken for a year, but this is just ridiculous. Played Deathslinger for the first time yesterday, level 1, and still got an easy 4k. Not sure what the issue is, cause even a 3k used to take some work.

Killer has become too easy. Not necessarily due to gameplay issues, but because they’ve done a pretty ######### job so far with the rank system. It’s all about time dumping, rather than actual skill level. I never thought I’d say it, but I want to get looped more. Please.

Sincerely, trashy Ghostface main

Feel you.

The only Killers disagreeing with this are the ones that still have some practicing to do and aren't confident in their gameplay.

I said what I said.

For the last month,I have been playing perkless killer only(Quite hard to rank up with it tbh,considering the emblem system). Let me tell you,killer is easy... but in a very specific way. Most of the teams you verse are gonna be soloQ players who lack the potential that the swf teams have. They will waste alot more time,and will progress through the game slower overall. SoloQ teams were never a problem to verse,the problem were the "0.1%" as people like to call 'em,aka swf teams. They will make ur time in a trial alot harder and overall worse,depending how you look at it. I never despised any swf teams,and never will. But some people hate them,and I get it. They make the game miserable for them,and in the end 3/4 survivors escape,unless they mess up,obviously. It's just those teams that people complain about,i'd wish devs would give us UI indication whether the team was a swf post game so I can atleast tell how I lost.

This also basically sounds like confirmation of my suspicions that you're playing using unsportsmanlike tactics and strategies.

Post some of your match results for us while abiding by the following:

No camping

No basement hooks

No tunneling, break chase after 30-40 seconds

Set a timer at the beginning of the match, no downs until 2 minutes into the match

No slugging

No proxy camping either

This isn't to single out killers either, I could easily make a similar list for survivors.

So you admit that you're playing using all the exploits in the game?

That's not going to be a challenge for anyone, on either side of the game. You're not fully comprehending what I've been saying either. I've already said in that comment and in others on here that a lot of those rules are situational to an extent. If you get a bunch of people hook rushing in plain sight then it does make sense to stay near the hooked survivor etc etc

I've also already stated that yes, survivors also have a full list of unsportsmanlike behavior they can engage in as well, which you are apparently not paying attention to despite me having very clearly and succinctly explained all of this.

I'll say it again, any killer could get a 4k every game if they used all the exploits and played completely unrestrained. The same goes for survivors (ie you can play SWF and coordinate perks, items and add ons with one another and then proceed to hook rush, gen rush, teabag, flashlight abuse etc etc)

This is unsportsmanlike on both sides. Just because the game allows for it doesn't mean that it's sportsmanlike. If we're all being honest with ourselves we can all admit that the game isn't perfectly developed and leaves room for unsportsmanlike conduct. This is evident in the fact that the game has been in ongoing development since it was first released and new patches come out regularly to address any balance or fair play issues.

Try and play a clean match without crutching on exploits and unsportsmanlike conduct. Let's see you get a 4k every match then