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An Attempt At A Serious Hillbilly VS Oni Discussion
I'll put the Too Long; Didn't Read right here...
Why are these so similar, and is one better than the other?
So i had a Daily Ritual for Oni today. (My first ever, if you can believe that.)
Already leveled him to 40 for his Teachables, so i wasn't going in empty-handed.
I did suck, since there were quite a lot above my rank, and of course i'm new to Oni, so the Daily Ritual took me a while. (It was to sacrifice 2.)
And it might just be because i'm very new to him, but experiencing his Killer Power, is it true that he's just another version of Hillbilly, if not somewhat weaker?
I had that feeling the whole time.
Not similar like Cannibal is, but i'd definitely say he's the most similar after Cannibal.
I do like that you can actually move sideways during the charge.
The downside to me is that gigantic power bar, and i haven't had much luck so far with Blood Fury in loops.
Idk, you tell me what you think of these 2.
(Love Oni aesthetically WAY more than Hillbilly though: The chase soundtrack, the roar, his heavy footsteps, the sound of the club striking, and it's not an annoying Chainsaw sound all the time.)
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I thought everybody already had this figured out: He's Billy but his power needs to charge up and he's much better with maneuverability and in chase. Billy's a bit better because Oni gets hurt a lot in the early game.
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I figured there might be people who think otherwise.
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Good luck finding them this long after release.
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Oni's Demon Dash is way more controllable than Hillbilly's Chainsaw, and as a console player, it's really noticeable. You can also just do the slam, rather than always dashing.
Hillbilly has his power permanently, and to be honest, a bit too much for my liking.
If I go down to an Oni, then I generally feel like it was my fault, rather than yet another chainsaw with virtually zero cooldown. And Oni has a way better aesthetic to him.
Their perk "pools" also differ greatly, for example, I feel that Monitor and Abuse is good on Oni, considering you need early hits to build up blood, where as it isn't great on Hillbilly because you're always using your chainsaw. Differences like that.
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Oni has alot of things that are better than Billy. For example, his his kanabo has a longer range than Billy's chainsaw and he isn't stunned when he runs into something like Billy so he more flexible mobility. Another is his blood orbs give tracking to usually injured survivors. IMO the only drawback is you have to earn his power, but it's easy to gain and it lasts for a decent amount of time. I've gotten survivors in L and T wall loops, but in most loops you'll get a down when they try vaulting a window.
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Thank you. 😊
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I like that Billy's power has more counter-play, but I understand that Oni's is better because of the hefty requirement.
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I 100% prefer Oni over Billy. Took Oni all the way to rank 1 after deciding ghostface wasn't getting me there when his stalk started getting glitched. I find his power to be more fun to use, more reliable in a chase, and you can catch survivors way off guard with its maneuverability. Especially given his snowball potential it doesnt even matter if he's a bit weak early game, by mid game you almost always have your power anyway, especially if you bring offerings that drop more blood.
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Good points. Would you say they're even, or maybe even that Oni is better due to his snowball potential?
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Fair argument, if you get a good early game the snowball is often too insane to counter.
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I'm an Oni main, but imo they are equal. Really good Billy mains already do some of the things I mentioned, it's just Oni can do it easier. Billy has way better early game game potential, but since Oni's kanabo wind up is faster than billys chainsaw wind up I've had way more snowball matches. That doesn't necessarily make him better though as Unbreakable seems to be a default perk for survivors I play against and with.
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Using top knot on Oni lets you basically have almost any loop for free in the game if you know the timing. It's kind of insane how different it makes him feel. The speed boost combo'd with it just feels soo nice. Using Oni at loops is very viable but like Billy you gotta know the timing and what you can and can't get around which only comes by playing him a bunch. Shorter loops can normally only be countered using top knot since the charge takes too long otherwise.
Oni's power is definitely stronger then Billy's when it's active as well as having some built in tracking to counter Iron Will but he can suffer really bad in early game. On the other side he can also snowball incredibly well and is a very good slugging killer when using Infectious. I definitely think his snowball is better than Billy's and if you're the slugging type I think Oni is the better choice there.
Really though I think it just comes down to preference which one you like more. Billy is more an all-arounder while Oni starts weak but get's stronger over time. While their powers are similar the playstyle is a tad different as Oni requires a bit more thought put into it like keeping track of where people were healing or if they did gens injured so he knows where blood is or when's the proper time to use the power or when to or not to slug. Billy is more "chainsaw go vroom!"
I personally think Billy is stronger overall because you always have that instadown as well as map coverage if someone is giving you trouble. As Oni you almost always need that first hit and if no one gives it to you he suffers hard so in that way I think he is a higher risk higher reward type killer. Some people like to put him as mid tier or even low tier but I personally think he's high tier and around top 5. Even if Billy is better I don't think Oni is bad by any means and I think he's also a lot funner.
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I definitely think that Billy is a stronger killer simply because he doesn't rely on Survivors making HUGE mistakes to get his power. Don't get me wrong, he does rely almost exclusively on survivors mistakes, but there is a difference between Billy's 'YOU STOOD IN THE WRONG PIXEL NOW I VROOM VROOM CURVE', and Oni's 'Well, I had a kinda bad early game and now I need everyone to forget that generators exist for a minute'.
That being said, Oni's power is clearly better than Billy, it's just that Billy has a higher skill ceiling AND a reliable power that you don't have to manually charge up. That also being said, top knot + extra bloodorb = borderline op in the right hands. No loops are safe and the power is always on.
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i wouldnt say that.
yes, their powers are quite similar at certain points, but there is definitely a couple of differences:
1) Oni has a restricted ability that needs to be charged and is time limited - Billy always has full access to his chainsaw
2) Oni has a 180° attack window while in Demon Dash, so a possible flick of 90° to each side - Billy has to hit a Survivor directly with the chainsaw to down them
now, what does that mean?
Hillbilly has full access to his power whenever he wants it, while Oni has to time it. this allowes Billy to use his power all the time, while Oni has a rather slow start and then has to hold on to his power until he finds someone, so he doesnt waste it. This is also why Billy is imo the stronger killer.
This is where the two powers go apart aswell - Hillbilly has an amazing map pressure tool with his chainsaw, however it isnt very easy to use during chases (=> Billy is a loopable killer). Oni however has a power focussed on the Chase. Thanks to his flick he is a lot more deadly during chases than Billy could be, therefore he cant just rush around the map 24/7 like billy can.
so what am i trying to say here?
in short, both powers seem very similar, but are actually used very differently:
Billy primarily has a map pressure ability
Oni primarily has a chase ability
and imo Oni is more fun than Billy.
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I’ll make this as short as I can.
Oni stomps Billy when his power is up. His power is way stronger due to the fact that he can slug easier with Infectious Freight, he has a 90° flick, is WAY easier to turn and control, and does not bump into objects.
Billy is more consistent because he can always use his power but at pallet loops he is much more abusable and good survivors will deny him a chainsaw at any chance they get. He can also slug with Infectious Freight but it won’t be as quick or as easy as Oni (against good survivors).
Of course all of this is different with add-ons. Topknot and Carburetor Tuning Guide are STUPIDLY strong add-ons.
Oni is better when his power is up but Billy is more consistent.
I wouldn’t put one above the other both are #4 and #5 on my personal tier list.
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I think Oni definitely has a significantly better and more powerful ability than billy, but the thing is he doesn't always have that power. Without it he is just and m1 killer with nothing going for him other than weak tracking from blood, but if you get his ability he becomes very, very strong
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Oni's ability is considerably better. Like, if Oni had his power at all times, he'd be disgustingly OP.
A good Oni still has a chance at winning even if he only gets his power when there are 2 gens left. No other killer can say this imo.
But he's very snowball reliant and his early game sucks a lot. Billy is more consistent and a great Billy can curve around a lot of loops, just not nearly as many as Oni.
In my opinion Billy is still slightly better just because he's probably the best early game killer in the game and gives up absolutely nothing to achieve this. Both are more map reliant than the other top tier killers, and that's probably the only true downside they have, besides Oni's early game. But both have a high skill ceiling and are extremely strong.
Sometimes I feel like Oni is how Billy's kit would be if he were a modern killer. I love both designs, but I still think Oni's is better because he has a lot of counterplay but huge windows of power where he can just obliterate everyone. He has very defined strengths and weaknesses, while Billy is a more consistent with higher lows but lower highs.
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I'll admit, this post may be a bit biased, as Oni is my secondary main and I can't play Hillbilly if my life depended on it.
When Oni gets a hit, he gains tracking abilities. Hillbilly... has no tracking.
Oni controls rather easily (for me). Hillbilly, for whatever reason for me, has always felt super clunky with his turning.
In Demon Form, Oni can simply charge an M1 to instantly down. Not even that long. Hillbilly has to charge his chainsaw.
Oni can hit obstacles without ending his charge. Hillbilly stops immediately and hits a brief cooldown.
Oni has the flick, giving him a far wider range to hit. Hillbilly has to hit dead on and has very little ability to quickly turn.
Hillbilly moves faster than Oni when charging, so I'll give him that.
Hillbilly also always has his power available, giving him a far better early game (when you can play him). Oni's biggest weakness is that early game.
According to my (again, slightly biased) analysis, Oni is better than Hillbilly, but that bad early game can seriously hurt him if you don't find Survivors immediately.
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They both are equal IMO, it just depends on your playstyle. Billy requires a lot more skill and get's a good early game with his chainsaw, but his maneuverability is garbo, where Oni is weaker early on because he needs too charge his power, but has great maneuverability and could potentially end the game with one blood fury with how well he snowballs.
Neither one is better then the other IMO, they just play differently too different playstyles. Personally I like Oni more for his cosmetics and snowballing.
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A good Oni can potentially be much more powerful than a good Billy, but Billy is more consistent. Oni falls into the same boat as Trapper and Hag, he either has a feast or a famine, with little in-between. Oni capitalizes on mistakes better than any other killer, but he also has to rely on them in order to get his power frequently. Once he gets his power though, a top notch Oni can easily get the game in the bag.
Oni is to Billy what Hag is to Trapper, a souped up variant of the original with a very different playstyle and aesthetic. It's like comparing Grapes to Wine, it's an obvious comparison, but both offer extremely different experiences.
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Oni is better. End of discussion.
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Wait, does IF work with his club?
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Oni is a Hillbilly who needs a snickers bar.
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Yes. It one of the reason why it often pair up with Monitor and abuse on Oni. Have not played Oni with the new update but as long as nothing has changed, it should still work with his club.
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You can deny onis power completely, so billy is better obviously.
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Oh wait, so it works with his club, but does it work with his club if you do the 1-hit moves with his club?
Sorry for asking, but IF says it needs basic attacks, so i was curious.
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Yes, it works with the one shot move with the club. Here is a video of it in action. Just let it run for a few seconds and you will see the healthy person goes down in one hit and Fright goes off.
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Oni has the stronger power but Billy has his power no matter what.
Oni can get really hurt against Survivors who know how to loop, but I got looped pretty early and the snowball power of Oni still got me the win.
Billy can be looped and you can't rely on his curving pretty well on most loops. Also, in order to get good curves you'll need "Death Engravings" or "Doom Engravings". Oni works fine without any Add-Ons, making Scalped Topknot the equivalent of an insta saw Billy. Billy without Add-Ons feels weird because of his 3 second cooldown after ending the Chainsaw. I usually run the Vegetable Oil for that case.
I really think Oni might be the better one of the 2 because his power isn't really hard to get if you use Monitor and Abuse, making it easier to get the first hit, while Billy can't really sneak up well and his power works worse in a chase.
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Oni's demon mode is definitely stronger than Billy's chainsaw as Oni's flick reaches around most common loops whereas Billy can -at best- curve around very basic loops with a lot of practice (and it's pretty easy to predict when a Billy tries to curve making it even easier to counter it).
Oni can literally dash against the wall, slide along it and flick around the next corner - Billy can not.
However since Billy has his power at all times it makes him the stronger overall killer. Unlimited map pressure and unlimited instadowns is hard to beat.
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Okay.
Well good for Oni i guess, just seems odd to me that it functions.
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Oni is better now due to the new Billy bugs.
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It clearly due to Oni having the power of anime and god on his side.
To be more serious. I took a moment to look it up and it seems, they did removed the need for it to be a basic attack for Fright awhile ago, so Fright can trigger from any attack that puts a survivor into the dying state. Which happen back in patch 3.1.0, which is also news to me. So it seems the description for the perk is out dated.
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I see, i see.
Very cool then! 😊
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It actually works with Plague’s corrupt purge as well.
On release IF on triggered on a basic attack but on the 3.1.0 patch (Freddy rework) they removed the basic attack stipulation so now any time the survivor is put into dying state, IF triggers. That’s why it is so good with Oni and Billy.
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Yup, i figured that out earlier.
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