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Killer main asking other killers why do you tunnel?
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Like I said before, people can't even decide what "tunneling" means. It's just some word people throw out there to complain about dying, or to make themselves feel better by saying, "Well I don't do it, only bad players do!!!"
If you are easy to find and I keep running into you, you're not being "tunneled".
If your teammate unhooks you in my face, you're not being "tunneled".
If you get unhooked and try to self-care right under the hook, you're not being "tunneled".
If you get unhooked and leave a trail of scratch marks right to the closest generator, you're not being "tunneled".
At some point survivors have to take some responsibility for poor play and stop blaming killers for playing the damn game. It gets annoying hearing everyone blaming the killer for having the audacity to take advantage of the weak spots in their play.
You can be damn sure that if I fail at chasing and get looped, three generators are getting finished and you don't hear me bitching about, "Those darn survivors are doing their job! Why don't they stop and let me do better, it's not fair!!"
The bottom line is that if a player finds themselves thinking, "I'm getting tunneled so much!" they need to stop and ask why. It's no different than asking how come you always get shot first in CS:GO. It's an indication that you have a hole in your play that you need to work on, not that other people are being unfair to you.
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I never tunnel intentionally not even with toxic survivors. The only time tunneling happens is if survivors wear the same cosmetic so I can't tell who I've hooked already. If a survivor just keeps crossing my path I'll rather slug them so they can get another chance or leave them alone for a while to seek out someone else. The nasty toxic ones don't get my undivided attention, they would love that so the rest can finish gens...
I've noticed that I mostly get tunneled when I do something that greatly messes with the killers plan. Like breaking the devour hope totem, baiting a chase to stop proxy camping while my team saves or run them around for at least 3 gens. I get that it is easier vs 3 survivors or kicking a skilled player out of the match like that. But this tactic can cost you the match, you're bp, emblem score and ruin your gameplay in the long run. I'd rather lose because I didn't tunnel than get accustomed to playing like that and have many unfun matches.
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Like others have said, tunneling is just a word people throw around when they lose because they don't want to consider the possibility they were out played.
I go after who is the best target for my objective.
If I see 2 survivors. One healthy and one injured, I'm going for the injured one.
If A survivor pulls someone off the hook right in front of me I assume they have BT+DS so I go after the person who made the rescue. Not because I think it's unfair to the survivor pulled off the hook but because BT+DS will take me longer to down them again. So I go for the rescuer because it is quicker and one less person working on gens. The injured one will probably find another survivor to heal.
If I leave a hook, don't find anyone, a save is made then I go back to the hook. If I can't find who made the save but I see a blood trail I'm going after the person pulled off the hook because I cant find anyone else. That's the only person I found and leaving them alone hurts my objective.
If someone has been hooked twice already and I see them and 3 other survivors, I'm going after the one that is on dead hook. It's just the logical choice because one person taken out of the match helps me complete my objective.
Everything I do as killer is because it is what I find best for MY objective. I think Tyde said it best. "I am the killer. I am going to kill you in anyway I can" or something like that. Most if not all these whining threads about tunneling and camping can be solved if survivors played killer for a good amount of time. Learn why we do these things or better yet, learn what to do in those situations.
Tunneling=run bt, ds or dont save in front of the killer. Learn to loop or route so you don't get downed.
Camping= do gens
Face camping=do gens or don't be the first person found. Seriously killers that face camp the first person they hook should not rank up if you punish them for playing poorly. When my friends and I play SWF, if we run into a red bubba that face camps the first person we see it makes me cringe. "How did you get to this rank playing like that? Were ALL the survivors you faced before potatoes?"
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Aside from toxic I do it when gens are done for some good quality hook trading.
If I rush back it's because I have nothing else going on and I am close enough that I can (not due to camping) and letting them heal each other is a bad idea. I try to go after to other but if the unhooked ends up the easy down then I don't mind.
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I'm really loving the toxic survivor main in this thread, i really am. If a killer is actually tunneling someone, you would know about it because all of the gens will be flying by.
If a killer does that, then they are throwing the game for themselves.
I never have a problem with the killer going for me when i get unhooked because i always crouch away and hide so they don't find me.
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I'm not trying to make anything right - I'm trying to play a game without intentionally hobbling myself for no reward.
There is nothing wrong with insisting that every player be responsible for his own enjoyment of the game. Their enjoyment isn't something I can control, and I know this because they seem miserable whether I win or lose, whether I play "nicely" or tunnel.
I am most upset when I try to jump through the hoops and am whipped for it anyway. I am far less upset when I play as I see fit. With respect, you're probably the fifteenth in the last few days to tell me to stop playing. You might not be the stereotypical bossy survivor main telling people how and when to play and not play, but you're trying really hard to come off that way.
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-If someone annoys me, I tunnel.
-If I think, it is necessary to win the game, I tunnel.
It's that easy. I also see nothing wrong on it. If a survivor begs for it (in my eyes), I can't do anything against it. Just returning the favor. Also if I do it to win a match, survivor's can easilie counter it by being not too altruistic, since I only do it then to lure them into "I need to rescue this guy/girl on the hook at all costs!!!" trap.
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Try winning 12 chases with Nurse or Spirit in that exact same scenario. Optimal gens trumps nice killer any day of the week.
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It's hontlestly the survivors fault 9 out of 10 times if I'm tunneling. If you're hooked, get unhooked and are dumb enough to stay right there or just turn one corner and start healing or just be really ######### at hiding that's your own fault buddy. See, the git gud logic runs both ways; If you're consistently bad at being elusive you're gonna consistently scream from the end of a meat hook but, on the bright side, you'll have plenty of time to reconsider your playing strategies.
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i have 4 "reasons" to tunnel:
1) they pissed me off - seriously, disrespect me enough and ill make sure you'll regret it.
2) they have a key - cause keys actively punish you for leaving the key holder alive.
3) they are the only one i found - i gotta keep up the pressure somehow. i cant just ignore you when the unhooker doesnt show himself - ive tried that, it lost me many games.
3) its an accident - that happens sometimes. a survivor gets unhooked and i see two scratch mark trails leading away from the hook. i follow one of them - and if its the unhooked, its really just bad luck at that point.
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You could say this makes me sound toxic but I typically have to two instances where it all starts tunneling somebody.
They try to pull a scummy decisive trick I'm not talking about the jumping in locker I have no problem with that. Typically I usually have workaround if I'm playing Trapper out just trapped a locker if I'm playing Amanda you're wasting your own timer with the reverse bear trap.
I'm talking about the people who will do a Gen or a totem with full knowledge that you can't exactly pull them off it or you'll get defensived you tried to do that to me and I will make sure I tunnel you because you no longer have the defensive strike.
Flashlight clickers those who try to get you to chase them really hard by clicking flashlights and spam vaulting.
9 times out of 10 they are not as good as they think they are in chases but as I usually say if you want my attention so badly don't complain when I give you my full attention.
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Because by some miracle Meg was saved from hook -bubba
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I was a long time killer main myself, that has recently switched.
I think old school killers still try to play by old school rules, hence the alleged "survivor rulebook".
Back then it was a badge of honor to win by not tunneling, camping or using No Ones Even Dead yet crutch. I think many old school killers , myself included, will always see the game this way.
However, the game has changed, many more people swf, no heal meta, skillcheck proficiency, meta perks, etc.
As such killers are trying to eliminate as many people as fast as possible. The stigma of being this kind of killer doesn't seem to be the same with the newer killers entering the game as it was a few years ago.
It has almost become a badge of honor to ruin the game for those "pesky entitled survivor mains" then to really concentrate on perfecting their craft and making the game more fun for all.
Although MM hasn't helped this either.
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At most when I tunnel, I'll slug them, leave them to be picked up. If the game's going particularly well for me, I'll even let them wiggle free. But usually I try not to tunnel. I'd say its made me a better killer overall. I'm much better in chases than I would've been if I tunneled players because it's easy.
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because making other people feel bad is fun for them.
but tunnlers get ripped when they play against a decent team and they cry about nerfs after that experience.
that is unfortunately how dbd works
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Because they are baby that want easy mode.
I Have 4k 50% of my game on red rank. Without tunneling, facecamping, mori.. and i don't play killer very Well (i play better surv).
With tunneling/camping/mori probably i'll reach 4k 80% of my game? (Probably more), but is easy mode, isnt fun for me o for survivor.
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No you wouldn't, because things like "camping" are a losing strategy against any competent survivors.
It's not "easy mode", it's "idiot mode". The killer is throwing the game in the hopes the survivors will come to them rather than the other way around.
As for "tunneling", as I've said before, it's not even a real thing. Survivors need to stop blaming the killer for their inadequacies and inability to hide/escape/play well.
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I will tunnel someone if...
1) I'm forced to. Either because the game is going too fast and I need to create pressure or because other survivors are hiding too much and I can't spend the time looking for them.
2) They have a key. It's a smart tactical move to take out this player ASAP. Most survivors bring either a ward or key ring so the key will get removed from the game when they die.
3) They do something stupid like purposely force me to eat their DS early in the game. When they do this it's like, what was the point? Because now I can tunnel you out of the game at no penalty. Basically punishing DS users for their mistakes.
4) They are a really good survivor and I need to "cut off the head of the snake". Taking out the best player early is a smart tactic.
5) They are a Blendette. I HATE BLENDETTES. Both as killer and survivor. Worthless POS all of them.
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Patrolling+tunneling=easy lazy mode because 3vs1 is better and easiest that 4vs1. It's disgusting, No escluse, they Have to grow a couple of balls and stop playing like a baby.. or go to play Fortnite or some other stuff of their ages
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When i tunnel it's usually pure coincidence
I often don't remember which survivor i hooked last and if i see someone i go get them
If that happens to be the same survivor in short succesion then that's just that
It's not always out of spite, sometimes people need to learn to take a step back and think if they really got tunneled or if they just walked into the killers arms everytime
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Yeah, there's that, too.
Last night someone whined that I "tunneled" them on Legion (even though I hit all 4 survivors with frenzy several times).
Hate to break it to them, but it's not like I can tell who each person is when Frenzy is up. Just a big tracking web graphic. If you're standing still over in a corner when I just hit someone with Frenzy, I'm probably going to hit you too, it's not like you're some special snowflake that I'm going out of my way to pay attention to.
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I only tunnel on a few instances. Mostly i'm not by the hook but if someone is pulled off before i can really walk away I will return to the hook. I go for the person that did the unhooking unless the unhooked person does 1 of 2 things....either runs right at me because they have borrowed time, or jumps in a locker because they have DS. Either situation I give them the attention they were looking for.
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I really dont see any issue with tunneling. But usually whoever I see first I go for. If I have to choose between the injured or not injured survivor im going or the injured one.
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Every killer should tunnel.
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There is another reason:
unhooked survivor with BT tend to block you from other Survivor. Once I understand if that survivor is trying to do that, I wait for 15sec following them but not hitting, then tunnel them until they get another hook. they asked for a hit. so i make sure they will get a hit but not cause deep wound.
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If they're the only survivor I can find, I'm going to hook them. I'm sorry that your teammates hid after unhooking you and I'm sorry that you got tunneled but I'm not just going to ignore you.
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Most players don't know what tunneling is. For the sake of argument, I will assume that you do. I have two reasons why I will tunnel. If I reach a point where I know someone needs to die for me to have a chance, I will tunnel. Second reason is if you're being toxic.
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It is always the survivor's fault that a Killer camps and tunnels. 😂
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I would just like to point out that while he is describing this video he actively does not tunnel the Adam, even though he runs right by him after the off-hook and there is only 2 gens left (as he says in the video, you should apparently tunnel if there are 0-3 gens left), and proceeds to death hook someone and second hook others...all the while the last 2 gens remained incomplete. Which is typical. The more people injured and the less people on the map, the more difficult it becomes to meet objectives. He ignored his own logic in the actual background video and was succeeding in the match just fine. This really doesn't serve his point very well. 😂 Also, he should reconsider that 20 minute intro.
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"Why do you think predators go after the weak and infirm"...because in this context they are animals - not humans - and must do so to literally survive. You are a human being, full of all the cognitive abilities animals lack and which are supposed to distinguish you as a higher level being, who is playing a video game. LOL This is a dumb comparison. The same as when people say, "WHAT DO YOU THINK A RAGING PSYCHOPATH WOULD REALLY DO?!?!?"...well, Johnny, that's a great question...but I don't see any actual psychopaths here. Just a regular old person playing video games in the comfort of their own home. 🤨
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This community cracks me up with its unwritten rules where if you don't follow them then you are considered "toxic." Complaining about tunneling is about as silly as complaining about camping in the end game collapse. Complaining about tunneling is also about as silly as complaining about gen rushing. In what world is it okay to say "you can't complete your main objective because its toxic?"
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Except we're not playing a game of, "Rational Humans Being Nice".
The game is, "Kill the survivors" or "Escape the killer".
Complaining about anything that either side does that accomplishes that goal - within the rules of the game - is being ridiculous.
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The survivors aren't receiving bloodpoints and are losing pips because of this...
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Indeed.
If I don't like "gen rushing" as a killer, it's my job to stop it. Not to complain that "gen rushing" is somehow toxic and should be discouraged. That would be absurd, it's literally the job of the survivors. I don't care how they do it, it's up to me to find a way to win.
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People who compare tunneling to survivors doing gens is pretty asinine. These are not comparable. I get Killer's don't want people to complete gens and escape. However, it in no way disables someone from playing an entire match. It doesn't rob the Killer of their points, in fact if gens aren't done destruction points aren't available and it's more difficult to locate survivors. Hense the post that exists right now about a Killer being held hostage by a team who wouldn't touch gens and just hid.
Tunneling, like camping, disables someone from even remotely playing the game. One is very much in line with how the game is intended to be played. One is not encouraged, because it is very toxic for the individual on the receiving end, but not taken out of the game because it can be a valuable resource when a Killer has their back to the wall. This is why so many Killers in this thread have admitted they do tunnel...but mainly if someone else is being toxic. Because most people recognize it's a ######### way to play against your opponent. And the issue is that a lot of Killers don't use it when their back is against a wall or when a survivor is rude. They use is right out of the gate. Which ruins the survivor's match, who waited just as long for a lobby and had just as much right to play the match as the Killer, but ends up with zero points and a depip for no reason.
Also, there is only one way to do a generator. You get on it. You push M1. There are numerous ways to flush out and kill survivors that do not include tunneling. Its 100% a play style choice.
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Let's just close this thread, it's of no use to talk with this dude
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Killing. Survivors. Is. Not. Toxic. It's literally the killers job.
Stop complaining about everything killers do and just work to win the match. Stop using phrases like, "Ruined my match" when a killer kills you, that's how the game is played. You just sound whiny every time you post about how killers are toxic and your game is ruined by losing.
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I dont. Think. Killing survivors. Is. Toxic.
LOL
Stop assuming that because tunneling can be an extremely toxic and ######### way to play that game that it means survivors don't enjoy a fair match where they end up dead. If a killer is just good at what they do, I am not mad. If a Killer is just a lazy schmuck who doesn't give two shits about anyone but themselves, they can miss me with what game play.
You just sound like an entitled killer-main ######### every time you post, who clearly plays as dirty as possible because you can't win a match without eliminating people who didn't get an opportunity to even play the game. 🤷
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If I don't find anyone else, I'll tunnel and slug. Simple as that. Or, if you're on death hook and I'm struggling and your team has 1 or 2 gens, I'll also tunnel so I can ease the game.
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How did you not have an opportunity to play? Did I hack your computer or something before the match?
Improve your gameplay instead of whining about every little thing a killer does.
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Idiot Killer talk strikes again. "just don't get caught!"..."git gud". Spoken like a true narcissistic Killer main.
Feel free to check my other response to you in the safety pip thread for why this logic is dumb.
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What the hell else do you want? It's your job to not get caught. It's your job to play better.
It's not the killers job to go easy on you because of some rule you made up.
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That's just an idiot statement. Survivors are designed to get caught and Killers are designed to catch them. If it were possible to never get caught as a survivor, this game would be exceptionally broken and Killers would stop playing. It has absolutely nothing to do with skill whether or not someone gets caught in a match. Someone will ALWAYS get caught unless the Killer is very bad...and even then, between bloodlust and the recent map changes specifically made to end chases sooner for Killers...even bad Killers get lucky. I didn't make up the rules about what good sportsmanship looks like - they have existed forever.
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It's not "good sportsmanship" to follow some rules that someone made up in their head about how you're supposed to play. It's "good sportsmanship" for me to be respectful of my fellow players, not be a jerk in post-game chat, say GG, and so on. But within the game, beating each other is ultimately our mutual goal.
If you want the ACTUAL rules of the game changed, take it up with the developers. Otherwise you're just being whiny and obnoxious, demanding that others play in accordance with your wishes rather than within the rules of the game.
(And yes, I replied to your post in the depip thread because it was actually more sensible than this topic.)
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There is a difference between rules and sportsmanship. It is not a rule that you cannot tunnel people, but even devs have said they dont promote this type of game play. Just because it isn't a hard rule doesn't mean it isn't unsportsmanlike behavior. And people "take it up" with the devs every single day. In this forum. In the ticketing system. Its why it, along with camping, was recently a topic of discussion in the survey they did. They know it is a problem that is rampantly effecting their playerbase. This behavior is not going unnoticed. Don't you think it would be more advantageous to play matches like a normal person, so everyone can have fun and enjoy the game, and only employing tactis like this when needed vs. doing it all the time, in every match, until your opponent gets so fed up that the action itself gets nerfed in some way??
Just because you CAN do something, doesn't make it the RIGHT thing to do.
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No, for different reasons.
"Camping" is inherently self-punishing. Unless the survivors simply walk into your weapon - in which case you're legitimately countering overly altruistic teams - the killer is choosing to lose the game. Let them defeat themselves and just move on to the next game.
"Tunneling" literally doesn't exist in the context it is usually used here. It's literally just code for, "I died and I'm upset about it." Hide better, use a better strategy, utilize teamwork better, loop better, improve your game and you'll suddenly find that you're not getting "tunneled" as much.
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Pretty sure killers tunnel because they want to get 3-4 kills a game. If you don't tunnel someone out of the game early you're most likely going to lose. Tunneling is really the only effective way to slow the game down enough to give killers a chance. I don't like being tunneled either. But I don't flame them when they do it. I understand completely.
If a killer doesn't care about getting kills and plays the right way then all 4 survivors are going to escape every game. It's just kinda how it is.
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People complaining about "tunneling" very likely are the exact same people who post, "It's not fair! I walk out in the open and Widow snipes me and I don't even get to play the game! It's ruining my experience!"
"The round started on Dust 2 and someone sniped me through mid doors! I didn't even get to play that round! They're preventing me from playing the game!"
"Someone keeps hiding in the bushes and ganking me in League! They won't let me play the game, it's poor sportsmanship!"
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I didn't miss the point. Your basis for the point was just flawed and comparing human action in a video game to animal instinct where their actual life depends on their un-evolved cognitive ability and complete lack of empathy.
If you attack someone directly off a hook, it IS tunneling. That is, in fact, the definition.
Again, comparing tunneling to survivors doing gens is not remotely comparable. A survivor can be camped/tunneled out of a match right away. They get very few points. They will depip. They can spend less time in a match than they did waiting for the lobby. And it is at little to no faut of their own if this is simply how the Killer approaches the match from square one. Meanwhile a survivor doing generators doesn't immediately incapaitate the Killer...instead, they enable the killer to gain points for finding survivors, getting to chase, getting gen pressure and destruction points, etc. If survivors DIDN'T do generators, and instead chose to hide the entire match, the Killer would be held hostage with very little recourse.
Again, I have no issue with Killers who kill survivors. I have an issue with Killers whose only tactic is to ruin someone else's game because they can't 'win' without playing cheap.
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This is not real life 😂
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