You guys seriously can't leave Legion like this

The biggest thing I can say about Legion is to stop getting hung up on thinking that the power can't down people so it's bad. That's probably the first thing I hear everyone say when talking about Legion.

The power is great for pressuring survivors, landing easy first hits, finding everyone, and slowing the game down to a crawl. It's actually fairly loaded with utility as far as powers go. It even acts as an occasional counter to SWF because many of them just refuse to ever separate for any reason!

Of course, getting the second hit is up to you and that's where things can get a little sticky, but if you keep pressure on you'll stop them from progressing anyway.

The only problem I have is when survivors separate and split pressure, although honestly that's an issue for every killer. There are ways to mitigate that as well, though.

I think people talking about how Deep Wounds never downs anyone is missing the point.

Of course it doesn't down them, it's clearly not designed to. It's just one more piece of slowing the survivors down. The part about downing them is just so that the penalty is great enough that they can't just ignore it. It's not meant to be a reliable method of downing someone at all.

The only thing that I'm sad about is that mending Deep Wounds doesn't trigger Nurse's Calling. That might be too out of control, though.

But really, it feels like a lot of the complaints about Legion stem from misplaced expectations.

Yes, but you get BOTH from a single hit in Frenzy. On multiple survivors if they're near one another at all, which starts happening exponentially more as the game progresses, more often than not.

So you slap one survivor and they're forced to stop and mend. They'll likely choose to heal as well, which may take other survivors off what they're doing as well. If you get two or more people in one use, that's an amazing amount of time just spent doing nothing, and you didn't even have to work that hard for it because winning chases with Frenzy is pretty easy.

Not to mention it tracked them for you, so even if you didn't know others were nearby you do now.

Seriously, think of everything you get out of just one good Frenzy. Multiple chases won in seconds, injured states, deep wounds, and pinpoint tracking on nearby survivors. It's not the best power, but it's loaded with value. I suppose in a game where instadowns and such exist it might seem lackluster, but it's not useless by any means. I'm legitimately not sure how to make it better without making it insane.

Well, before it was Terror Radius. Then they introduced Nemesis and changed Beast of Prey, which would mean that the Bar can go down in a Chase. They simply did not think about that. So they changed how Deep Wound worked.

Like I said - Legion is a failure.

I actually find him fun to face and fun to play as. He definitely is one of the weakest killers but I don't think he needs a big change like freddy.

Observe.

I actually really enjoy playing as legion. I enjoy their edgy teen style. And I like that legion is basically an m1 killer that can injure quickly but requires mindgames to get the down.

Legion is one of a few killers in game that can apply pressure to multiple survivors with relative ease. But Legion is weak overall.

One thing i feel hurts them a lot is that deep wounds is such a nonthreat and that he gets punished too much for a power that is not that strong.

He should be faster, first and foremost. Look at Spirit's power which can literally down survivors, has a 15 s cooldown compared to legion's 20 s cooldown, and she moves at 170+% when phasing, while legion only moves at 130% which is pretty pathetic for a nonlethal power. Legion's frenzy should be faster. I don't want it to be spirit fast, cuz there's a good reason she's 110%, but he should be faster.

A regular m1 shouldn't deplete half of his power meter, or his coowldown shouldn't be as long.

Missed swings while in FF should take away his power and they should give him a 4 second stun, just like they currently do. Its the punishment for missing. But just cancelling FF shouldn't have such a massive cooldown. 2.5 seconds would be ideal. 3 seconds would be way better already.

Deep wounds should be more of a threat. Like its insane to think people can just stop and finish a gen if its close enough and then still have time to mend. Its kind of absurd, because there's literally no risk. If it was more risky, say, you need to mend and while you're mending the timer goes down, then it'll be a risk reward thing.

I think that with these some or all of these small tweaks Legion would be a pretty solid killer. I don't think he needs a full rework.

I'm in the same boat. I had my first and only game as Legion yesterday. Had a lot of fun playing him and got a 3K (nearly a 4K, but they just barely escaped me at the gates after I closed hatch). Like you, I don't want to be presumptuous and act like I know more about Legion than people who have played hundreds of hours on him, but sometimes I wonder if those who say he's useless and terrible have fundamentally misunderstood his power in some way.

That's because they were rules that were quite ''bs'' like the one ''can't repair injured'' that's why he picked legion and got succeed cuz he can get injured ppl really easily

But it takes 12 seconds every time, and that's time they're not spending on generators. The purpose of the Deep Wound mechanic is not to down survivors, any more than the purpose of the wiggle mechanic is to allow survivors to escape once downed, or the purpose of the RBTs is to kill survivors. Deep Wound is meant to function primarily as a pressure device to slow down the game, and if used correctly, it succeeds in that. I'm not saying Legion is the best killer in the game, and I'm certainly not pretending to be an expert on him or his power. But if you think Deep Wound has no effect whatsoever, you're doing it wrong.

You can do well with legion but being constantly stunned with only niche ways to get around it is annoying. At the least every survivor hit in FF should shave some time off your cooldown, rather than equal punishment for using your power well or badly.