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Why do people lie when you ask them if they are in an SWF?
I recently played a group of players and thought... this is far too well organised so asked them afterwards whether they were in an SWF using communications. They responded no and they were solo.
You can imagine my surprises a couple of matches later at seeing them again in a lobby, what were the odds!
Why do survivors lie about being in an SWF?
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Besides pathological liars, people lie for at least one reason: they think it will benefit them in some way.
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This. They probaly think people find Them way better at the game when they play solo then swf.
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Just to play Devil's Advocate a bit:
Sometimes a well organized Solo Team can be as good as an SWF team.
With that said, people tend to lie that they are not a part of a SWF Team because they wouldn't want to be targetted in any future games if they were to play alone, because people do make lists and people do remember your username especially on console. Meaning they don't want to seem like they were playing SWF to avoid playing against Killers who has massive issues with survivors who play SWF.
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As someone who has been part of a SWF in this situation (though I wasn't the one who told the lie), I don't think it has much to do with wanting to be perceived as particularly skillful. More often, it's because if a killer is asking a question like that, they're either genuinely curious for self-reflective purposes, or else (more likely, in my experience) they think SWF players are trash and should be removed from the game. People are reluctant to reveal that they are SWF for fear of the latter, because no one wants to sign up to be insulted and abused.
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This. While the game can be hard on killers many of them are just as bad or worse than the "toxic survivor mains" they complain about.
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People dont want to outright say their win was less them and more SWF buffs. Plus they like making the killer feel bad by implying they got beaten by four randoms. Sucks but thats how it is.
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Why do killers always assume people are SWF? Same question same answers.
Btw. how many threads about SWF do you want to start?
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Well as people have said, a group of 4 randoms can be extremely well organised, also, as a solo player I sometimes bump into the same survivors a couple of games later, or sometimes even the very next game.
if they said that they were not in a SWF, maybe just maybe they were not, and matchmaking grouped them up again by chance, i know it has happened to me, rare but it can happen.
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Oddly enough I've actually been in a similar-ish situation. I was in a 2-man swf and got paired with another 2-man swf. They were really good and we also did pretty well and the killer afterwords asked if we were a 4-man SWF. I said no and that it was just a 2-man and so were they. I had messaged the other group as well and talked a bit at how well the match had gone.
Not even a couple minutes later we get paired up with the same group and after the game was over, it was the same killer. I didn't message him because I knew how it looked and he didn't message me either but boy oh boy I bet he thinks I was a lying SoB.
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Well, if i think i played against an swf i usually ask them in the end, and usually they confirm they were swf (even if sometimes only 2 or 3). So, in the few cases where i suspect an swf and they deny it, i simply tend to belive them, unless there is further proof. (like seeing them all again in another game ^^) Thus said, in certain region/ranking-Combinations i believe you see the same players over and over, so if they were all red rank from one region, it might be a legit coincidence.
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Can't answer because I'm 100% solo, but I got called a liar for saying I wasn't swf.
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Maybe they aren't lying, and are actually solo.
That's exactly what happened to me not long ago, except the killer brought a mori the next match. fun time lol
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SWF can actually be a team's downfall. On console, I played against a SWF where each player was actually better than me, but their altruism was a priority. I hooked one after a longer chase than expected, then the other 3 come hook bombing, but everytime they did this, another one went in the hook instead. I know this is just that team's problem, but not all SWF are gods who can't be beaten, in 1v1, maybe all of them are better, but in 1v4, maybe you are better, and the other way around aplies too.
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I've queued up in the same lobby with survivors before, I've also had the same killers back to back before, the odds aren't all that slim.
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I definitely think it's to do with the absolute ease that a full SWF party with decent perks and an okay map can win a trial. That's not to say that this is what SWF is (though it often can be), it's just the fact that people like to have their merits acknowledged and this general idea of SWF = EZ takes away from someones personal victory and feeling of accomplishment, whether it should or not.
I often get accused of being in a SWF as a solo player matched with 3 other solo's, and I can definitely say that it really does feel like the killer is trying to detract from our victory by accusing us of using a "crutch". But, if we're being honest here, it was just 4 solo players that did gens and safe saves because we all had Kindred or Bond. Should our victory be detracted from?
Well, maybe. The difficulty of solo que IS bad teammates.
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was it a 4 man swf or 3 man only? all of them said they weren't in a swf? I ask because I play solo and yesterday I got 2 matches in a row with two guys that were playing swf. if the killer from the first match have asked if we were in a swf, I would say no and if he saw us on the next match together again he would think I was a liar which wasn't the case... a solo getting a 2, 3 man swf repeatedly isn't that uncommon...
BUT if all 4 said they were solo and then you got all of them together the next match, yeah, they were probably lying...
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Why do killers insisted survivors are SWF? I ask because as a survivor I literally ALWAYS play solo. But killers constantly end with “gg have to do SWF to win,” because there is coordination, honestly by the time you reach red ranks you should have a basic understanding of how to coordinate end game saves and form a body block train out the door.
I also play killer so I know it can be frustrating but don’t blame every loss on SWF.
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They know they're being carried by voice communication
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Well, there's also a chance you might not want to play with them yourself. I don't mind 2 man SWF, but I've played with so many 3 man's that went terribly. Often times one might be a streamer, who wants to show off, to their or your detriment. Sometimes they'll be overly altruistic, or prioritize their friends -- say you're about to go into second hook, their friend was just hooked, but instead of saving you who is closer, they go for the buddy. Over all, it can be very unfun for a solo survivor. Then again, sometimes it could make the game exceptionally easy. That just hasn't been my experience. Still, some people don't like it too easy.
It's anyone's guess unless they wanted to tell you the truth, and you'd never know if it was truth anywaysssssss.
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This, watch Usyllis play and despite being really good at looping sometimes when he’s doing SWF with someone he throws the game meming around.
this too, I don’t even play that much and I recognize some names over and over because there are probably fewer red ranks when I play early morning.
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Absolutely this. I'd rather not be told that I'm trash for enjoying a game with my friends.
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Why not just put Notifications in end game summary of who was SWF?
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I don’t lie about it, if I were to lie about being in a swf though, it would probably be because I don’t wanna deal with people sending me hate mail for it.
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What made you think the first game they were too organized, care to share a couple examples?
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I don't see much point in lying. Though I know someone who did lie about this and they said it was because they were using mics in their swf game. There might be more reasons why people would do this but I personally wouldn't.
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A few may to feel better, but again I say a lot of killers use SWF as an excuse they lost and I say that because I used to do it myself. Then playing survivor I started to realize some situations happen so often that good or even decent players know how to handle them together.
OP hasn’t said what made him so sure the first game. I can organize a late game save with total strangers, really the only thing that takes coordination is organized head on
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Very good point mate. I know I've been accused of being in a swf when I haven't been so it probably was for that reason.
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I don't see a point in lying, but it's perfectly reasonable to simply not respond at all. It's not really the killer's business afterall.
In my experience when someone asks it's about a 50/50 if they're just genuinely curious or if they behave as if they're just grasping for a reason to declare a loss to be invalidated in their mind.
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They revel in their lies
They don’t want to be told that their victory is based on SWF and the communicating software.
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because most swf are toxic and want to act like they're so good therefore them thinking they won without swf makes them feel better
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I've been accused of being a SwF when the healing part of tome 1 came out. I was running a dedicated healing build as was another survivor. We both were extremely organized as was the 3rd person. 4th got tunneled into oblivion who we protected almost all game. Sadly it was a Pig so they couldn't truely be saved.
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For most of the Killers SWF = I use a Red Mori or a Green Mori.
SWF have all the reason of the world to lie to you but ... they were spotted in second match so ..... i think it was a magical mori moment ?
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It's always possible they became friends after that game. It's also possible they just randomly got matched together again. I've had a lot of strange coincidences like that. Though I play on Switch, which has a smaller player base. Chances of it probably depends largely on how many people are playing, and at what rank etc...
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It's because they know it's an advantage and don't want to admit to using it. (Hell, I've had people on this very forum say stuff like, "Oh, uh, yeah, I play with my friends but uh, you know, we don't like talk or coordinate or anything, naw, nothing like that, we just...uh...you know...hang out and stuff...")
It's a silly reason, because especially on Steam it's not hard to tell.
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I had the same thing happen the other day while playing Killer. It was a super tough match. They were very altruistic and organized. I got out of the match and they were super cocky. I asked if they were SWF and they said no...only to leave and queue up again and get put back against all four of them. I deemed that too coincidental LOL
I assume its because winning as a solo team is quite a bit harder than winning as a SWF...and they would like people to believe they're good enough to achieve that, when they in fact did not.
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Because can and will actually happen when you reach red ranks as survivor. I'm always getting the same 20 or so familiar faces in red ranks as a solo player.
I get messaged and sometimes even flamed by killers for simply sneaking aboot and getting gens done and escaping without being seen. They think that just because you know to pay attention to the space around you that you're on SWF. A lot of killers tend to have an ego and will accuse anyone who outplays them as SWF. Conversly, this happens with a LOT of survivors with inflated egos thanks to SWF who callout a killer for using 'underhanded' or 'cheap' tactics to win when they themselves may be in voice chat or using meta builds.
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I am exclusively a solo player because none of my friends have the game. Yet, I have been accused of being in a SWF group three times (I think, one of them was in a different language so I took a guess at what was said).
Every single time, I was running Kindred. Makes coordination quite a bit easier.
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or... you know... maybe they arent lying?
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Once where I was in a three man and said we were SWF and my team over discord told me we weren't SWF because we weren't a 4 man. Could be as simple a misunderstanding as that.
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If they are actually a team, I think they just dont want some of the weight from their win being taken away. But there isn't really a solid way to tell if they were playing together unless they are all on each others friends list etc.
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This has happened to me as killer. Back to back lobbies of the same set of survivors who don't act like or claim to be swf.
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The same can be said about the inverse. A killer can lie to themselves about the survivor team being an swf so they can perpetuate the fallacy that well coordinated teams on voice comms are a big problem in this game.
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Thank you guys so much for the replies.
I've only been asked if I was SWF when a rank 18 and 19 were shown to have been playing with us, I was asked by the other red rank survivor!
I've often wondered as survivor if I've been carried by a 3 or 2 man SWF but as killer you're not sure if you played badly or had faced a team coordinated on comms.
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