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The next chapter ISN'T Candyman.
Clues:
I feel the devs are purposely making some of the candyman “clues” noticeable on purpose. They know we found out about stranger things from following Joe Kerry and Natalia Dyer on twitter, plus the tweet of Dave saying “things” over and over again. So why would they make the same mistakes for this chapter that’s being hyped up so much?
Like this. This is just way too obvious that it would be candyman, it’s pretty much just saying the next chapter is going to be candyman. I feel like someone from bhvr would’ve said “hey uhh that’s a little bit too obvious” but maybe it’s just me.
Phrases:
- Emotion Milestone
The devs never talked about candyman before and how they would love to have him in the game. The only character they have is pennywise but that’s for another discussion.
- Iconic Horror License
Despite fans who really love him, candyman just isn’t that iconic and isn’t known by everyone instantly like michael myers, freddy, jason, ghostface and so on. Most people overseas don’t even know candyman exists so it’s too bold of words to use for him.
- Classic
Yeah candyman is a classic because it came out in the 90s but that’s about the only thing.
- Iconic Horror Franchise
There’s only been 3 candyman man films (4 with jordan’s), but most have been US only and one was straight to dvd so I wouldn’t say “iconic.”
- Marked The World Of Horror
Again, candyman just isn’t that popular and even though it has a somewhat big fan base, it isn’t known worldwide and as popular as other huge horror icons.
Bonus 👀
Candyman was recently pushed back to september cough when chapter 17 would be released. It wouldn’t make sense to have this chapter be candyman and have the movie be released three months later.
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I hope you're right. I honestly do.
But this might be another case like "WORLD Series Baseball" where only American teams compete.
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Most of your arguments are pretty much your personal opinions though.
you don’t know how long the Devs wanted Candyman or how iconic the license is in their eyes. Also those words may be picked to „hype“ things up and have only some basic ground to it. It wouldn’t work well to say in an interview „well, the next chapter is based on a horror license that some of you might like and most would not see as iconic. We just couldn’t get something cooler in time.“
But if we do get Jason, Pennywise or a Xenomorph instead I will be the last one to complain.
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To be honest I would love if the new killer be the smasher, he was just forgot :(
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DbD x Last Year confirmed?
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Thank God people like you exist. I'm also on the "there's no way it's candyman" train. I don't see how a moderately successful movie with 2 terrible sequels in the 90s makes a franchise iconic or even a "classic". I'm just hoping for something big this chapter, and something that hasn't been spoiled 2 weeks before release
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As for the Candyman was pushed back to September part. It actually does make sense. If they made a deal with them to get Candyman the film studio would want him released before the movie to spread the word. That's basically free advertising to try to get more people to see the movie. Some games have even been killed because they signed a deal to use an iconic character in an upcoming movie and they had to push the game out early to meet the deadline.
To any curious, I'm referring to Gears of War 5. They made a deal to use Sarah Conner in the game when Terminator: Dark Fate came out. Their launch was the worst in the franchise and one of my top 5 disappointments in gaming. I don't think it was any one thing that ruined it but I bet the fine print in the contract was they had to release the game before the movie. If it was after the movie released what's the point by then? It wouldn't boost the movies box office because it was already out of the theaters. Not like it would have made a difference either way cause most people knew by the trailer that movie was going to suck.
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I personally hope it's Pyramid Head with a passion.... an ACTUAL scary Killer to have in the game! And I would say Silent Hill is pretty iconic in horror in the gaming world (which is pretty dang big), not to mention that there were two(?) films as well. Resident Evil is iconic as well, so it could even be a Killer from there!
Either way, I'd be pretty happy that they're adding something from a real horror, not "Candyman".... what? Man with a hook and bees? I can't see that fitting into the game whatsoever, and I will be thoroughly disappointed if they add him. They were already pushing it with Deathslinger, since he's basically just an old man with a harpoon gun.... at least with the other human killers, they're wearing masks! (not hating on Deathslinger of course, just pointing out that he is not very scary whatsoever, and actually kind of plain--not really a "horror" game Killer)
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I am not talking about this one, the smasher were going to be 5th killer in 2016 but they gave up on his project. You can still see about him on the game files and on the game wiki.a
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I don’t know dude. Originally the movie would release close to this chapter which would be perfect. Since the movie got pushed back that doesn’t mean it’s not Candyman as the new killer. Devs said they work on 3 killers at once so Candy man could basically be finished being developed by the time the movie got pushed back. The other two killers might be even close to finished so it’s not like they’re just going to not release it.
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I honestly want the candyman to be the next killer,really intrigued on how his power would work and would make perfect sense to be him!
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You're assuming that they aren't purposely teasing these things. I mean there's also BEE in there.
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Oh what about a killer like from the movie franchise wish master?. He’s pretty evil Id say👍.
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You have the Exorcist (which is a franchise I don't really see being thrown around all that much), IT, Alien, SAW (I do still believe that BHVR wants John Kramer in the fog)... So yes I do agree that Candyman is not a horror icon and that BHVR has much bigger titles to choose from.
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The face is just pareidolia.
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I hope it isn’t.
I like Candyman, and I have no qualms against him being in, but he wouldn’t be a surprising reveal in the slightest, nor would many consider him worthy of all the hype around a licensed character.
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I know. I'm just playing with you.
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maybe the killer will be mida (Hand of Mida) because of the golden texture lol.
who am i kidding that would be stupid as hell haha
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I just want pinhead 😭
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Beeee my victim.. I'm all for this.
An actual 80's/90's horror franchise.
Silent Hill was just a niche ps1 game. You might as well have a resident evil dog or the talking toaster from deadly premonition.
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You bring up decent points, which are always my fallbacks against it being a Candyman chapter myself. I just want to bring up two points you made that are not that true.
"The devs never talked about candyman before and how they would love to have him in the game."
They actually have. A while back (at least before Deathslinger since that's when I found it through Paulie Esther), Mathieu was giving an interview. At the end of it, the interviewer quick-fired movie killers that BHVR would like to add. Among these were the likes of Chucky, Pinhead and, guess what, Candyman. He said yes to all of these. And Pennywise.
"Candyman was recently pushed back to september cough when chapter 17 would be released. It wouldn’t make sense to have this chapter be candyman and have the movie be released three months later."
BHVR works on their Killers in advance. Candyman was originally going to release in correlation with the Anniversary. If they were working with the license holders to release Candyman around that time, they would have been working on him and have him done by that time. Chapter 17's Killer is still months away from being good to test by the community. While it would make perfect sense to release a Candyman chapter at that time, BHVR may not have another choice. They literally don't have another Killer ready. If Candyman was their planned Chapter 16, he's going to be Chapter 16.
That last reason, combined with all of the other evidence (audio files that sound like a bee swarm, Tony Todd retweeting things related to DBD leaks about Candyman, Thomas's tweet, the gold coloring resembling honey) leads me to the conclusion that Candyman is the most likely Killer that will enter the realms for the 4th Anniversary.
This is not to say that I'm hopeful for Candyman. There are quite a few licenses I'd rather see first. But I stand by where the clear evidence leads.
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Frankenstein and Frankenstein's Monster. This is all I've thought about for 2 days.
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If we're going with that logic, Freddy, Michael and Jason are not iconic since they had tons of terrible sequels.
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Well, doesnt Pennywise deal with candy and treats? They are his lures after all
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Pyramid Head scary? That's hilarious and he was never scary, even in SH2. Downplaying Candyman as just a hook hand and bees while praising Pyramid Head as if he isn't the slowest lumbering villain the game could get. He'd be slower than the nurse.
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I want them to hurry up and release who the killer is so these posts stop flooding the forums....
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You literally just said they had tons of sequels. Candyman had 2.
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Candyman is coming in September. The next chapter is Alien.
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Yeah I totally understand, I mean Candy Man 2020 was supposed to release around this time but hasn't do to what's been happening ( For reasons I will not say). And if he is that'll be great. Why because not only is he iconic but hes the first african-american slasher, which makes him legendary in a way, I'd rather see him instead of Pennywise
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I mean, that's just your personal preference.... there are plenty of people who find him to be scary! And they would of course alter him for DbD play, so he wouldn't be slow as molasses or anything (or maybe they could work around it in a cool way?). I mean, they added other licensed Killers to the game and made them fit just fine (Demogorgon is great!), so I'd love to see what they would do with Pyramid Head!
But, on the flipside, I personally find Candyman to not be scary whatsoever. His appearance is unintimidating, he uses BEES (I can already see oodles of memes), and he just looks pretty goofy overall. Nothing particularly special about him, and I think most of his "horror" comes from shock and gore. Pyramid Head is mysterious, intimidating and disturbing, and has enough depth of character to fit nicely in the DbD world. From his wiki page: "They are usually portrayed as, at the most basic, violent monsters. A deeper meaning given to them explains their existences as deliverers of punishment and executioners of sinful humans.". With lore like that, I think PH would make perfect sense as a Killer!
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I just hope it's something good
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Agreed, I'd be happy with any of the really big names being thrown out there. Of course I have my preferences like Jason or Xenomorph but as stated, I'm just happy for another licensed chapter.
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If it is silent hill id cry tears of happiness.
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At this point I hope it's Candyman in part to piss off all the people who are adamant it is not him.
Aside from something stupid like Chucky I would be happy with anything so long as they look cool and are fun to play as and against. IDGAF how many people consider the killer iconic or not. That's irrelevant. They've already got plenty of massively iconic killers in the game. It's perfectly fine to add a lesser known one.
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Isn't DbD heavily inspired by Silent Hill anyway? Full of fog and monsters, nothing's what it seems, the map elements come from the minds of those in it, people wind up in it without understanding why...
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I didn't even know this movie existed until this community started talking about it (I'm from Brazil). My grilfriend who is more a horror movies person, have never seen it too, but at least she already have heard about it.
Recently I made the exact same points you made (except the classic and the bonus) in this post in another discution. I totally agree with all of them.
That said, I really really hope you are right.
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Ya'll kill me with this pyramid head stuff. He's not an icon, gang. He's only slightly less obscure to most of the world than Candyman. On the opposite end, a study was done once where Jason's hockey mask is literally recognized in every country of the world, even the ones thst don't have running water common. Further, he's owned by Konami, which means there's a paper airplane's chance in hades that we'll see it licensed to anyone, anywhere.
I think the OP is correct that it isn't Candyman.
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Okay bro if we get a silent hill 2 chapter just sayin...Angela as a survivor would be IDEAL not gonna lie.
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I'm a HUGE horror movie fan, but TOUCHE!!!
First Candyman was a VERY well made film and is probably BETTER (doesn't mean I prefer it) than any one of the movies which have already been represented in DBD.
Not to mention the Philip Glass score is phenomenal.
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This proves nothing. If they were obvious with Stranger Things they perhaps don't care, so it can be Candyman. But I have never heard of Candyman before, and it is supposed to be some iconic character, so it might not be him.
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Pretty sure it was Scott who said it isn't Candyman and he is in the Fog test thing, dunno tho
i always prefer original killers anyway
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I have a question, have you even seen Candyman before? He's got one of the most tragic and interesting backstories in horror and he doesn't kill people with bees. The bees are more an aesthetic thing and if they got Tony Todd to make small voice lines like they did for Ash along with the voices in the background like they have for madness 3 doctor that would be dope.
You're hyping up Pyramid head as if he's got the legacy or backstory of Jason, Michael, Freddy, and co. though and I'm a huge fan of SH2.
I doubt it's Pyramid head as konami only cares about abusing the series for gambling machines at this point.
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Yeah, I've been trying to figure this out as well. Pyramidhead spent years known basically only to RE and SH fans. It was a huge market at the time, and limited to consoles for quite a while. The movies helped push it up a little bit, but you're still way more likely to get a "what the hell is that supposed to be" than a "oh, cool, pyramid head" if you showed a picture to someone off the street.
He's certainly distinctive, but not exactly a household name.
Konami is really the biggest nail in that coffin, though. I mean, BHVR are horror fans making a horror game, so they'd likely see even the niche guys as fun additions. So "iconic" could have a much looser meaning to them than its supposed to.
The "emotional" statement could mean anything, from a childhood favorite, to a franchise one of the team has worked on before (which might not be a bad angle to look at, but I'm not that motivated).
BHVR always leaves a lot of room for interpretation. The tweet from the OP certainly leans way into Candyman, but you can't really ever be sure if BHVR is being legit or just screwing with everyone.
I'd think, at this point, Candyman is almost a guarantee, the big question is if it's this chapter or the next.
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I will admit that I have never seen the movie! But, I'm just going off of how well-known he appears to be, and it doesn't seem to be very much. Looking at the movie's Wikipedia page, the "Legacy" section is not even a paragraph worth of material. And I personally have never even heard of him until just recently (due to the speculation about the new killer), while I am aware of many, many other horror characters in media. I'm not doubting that people thought his movie was fine, or it had good writing/screenplay/story, I'm just saying that he's not really ICONIC or even really well-known like many other characters from horror media.
The reason I believe that Pyramid Head (or just Silent Hill in general) would be a better fit is that Silent Hill IS iconic in horror media. Horror games are a part of the horror media, and Silent Hill, along with Resident Evil, are two of the most iconic, if not THE most iconic horror game franchises to date. Many, many horror games over the years have been inspired by Silent Hill, so I think it's safe to say that it's pretty well-known and iconic in the gaming world. Just because it's not as well-known as horror movie characters and is video game horror doesn't mean that it's not "iconic" in it's own way, i.e. in the gaming world!
I'd also like to say this: If a company decides to no longer continue a video game franchise, what's wrong with that? Maybe they ran out of ideas for further Silent Hill games. I think that many gamers take it as a personal insult when a company no longer wants to continue a series.... like they're owed games from the companies they like, when that is not the case at all! And I don't understand calling it "abuse" of their series, when they own it and can do whatever they want with it. It's not like the franchise has it's own personal rights or anything.... 😋
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And that matters how? You still made the claim a character can't be iconic because they had terrible sequels and I was giving you other franchises with iconic characters as an example.
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What I'm saying, if Candyman isn't that well known than Pyramid head certainly isn't either.
Even if it isn't candyman I just can't see Pyramid Head being a huge emotional move from the devs perspective but they do like to have fun with their fans expectations.
If he doesn't happen this chapter I'm still holding out hope he'll show up eventually.
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You should definitely check it out. Don't go off a legacy section on wikipedia of all things to judge how popular a character is. The character was really popular especially with the black community, a lot of African Americans remember how terrifying that movie was in the 90's.
One of the most anticipated movies of the year before everything was shut down was the new Candyman movie too.
Regarding silent hill, fans and gamers alike were super excited for silent hills a few years back only for konami to shut it down due to their issues with kojima. Everytime konami teases something new about the series it just turns out to be more pachinko machines along with the rest of their franchises. If they ran out of ideas then I'm sure another studio would have plenty of good ideas to keep the series going.
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Candyman is about a dozen times more infamous among horror fans than Pyramid Head. What makes Pyramid Head's case even worse is that he wasn't even in the first Silent Hill game.
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Candyman has the most evidence going for him currently. Tony Todd follows DBD, Behaviour, Monto, & Paulie Esther on Twitter. In an interview he also mentioned he has been working on 2 video game projects recently (which how many games could be possibly be featured in?). His movie comes out soon, & technically should have released by now if it weren't for the COVID pandemic. The devs have even given a few hints that can either be viewed as clues or tricks, no one really knows.
Pennywise would be the other likely killer, but I don't think there is enough evidence to support him at the moment. Pennywise also feels like odd timing being that the last IT movie already released a while back, but anything is possible. You could argue that the "clues" for Pennywise for the previous chapter were foreshadowing a chapter for him a bit further into the future. But besides that I do not see a new & more current piece of evidence that indicates he is coming (except the devs seeming to torment Paulie on Twitter).
The rest of the possibilities just seem too unlikely, but again anything is possible.
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