So manna braid is an issue

Yeah, and her quickload addons too. Just manna braid alone leaves for 2 hits before STBFL can have 2 hits. Without being at risk of losing speed either.

I mean, imagine Wraith having an addon that allows him to hit while cloaked. Or Deathslinger's reload speed being as fast as Huntress wind up time. Or trapper being able to instadown people who have touched a trap.

Kinda, but faster wind up gives a straighter line much faster, which is what a huntress is all about. If wind up is faster, then time inbetween long distance hits are faster. Meaning that if she hits a basic attack and follows that up by a hatchet, she'll be able to throw a hatchet before your speedboost is done. While with STBFL you'd at least are required to catch up.

Its not machine gun huntress, which was insanely ridiculous, but it is still ridiculous. And no, its not that I lost against a huntress, I've lost against many huntresses of different skills and tactics(including russian slug campers with ebony mori, and everyone here knows how annoying those are). No, I mean the fact that 1 singular addon allows a killer to have 2 hits where not a single other killer could is bs. The reason I compare it to STBFL is because of cooldown between hits. I've faced an amazing huntress(2k hours easily, last time his steamname was just CC, got utterly destroyed to the point of barely getting a black pip) who could hit a fly from the opposite side from the map if that fly had a 1 second aura, and even he refuses to use wind up addons because it feels too cheap and too easy to the point where he rather uses iriheads because at least those take time to charge inbetween shots.

And again, we're talking % in a game where the amount doesnt really convert into practice, one time its time based, other time its progress based, and another time its a mixture of both(which is why perks and addons that increase healing speed stack so weirdly). Having 20% applied in one case can have a flat 20%, but then you have an 80% thats actually 45%, or a 15% thats actually just a 5 second reduction that ranges from 10-20%. As far as testing went, time-wise, the reduction is not 8%. The time between fully charged hatchets was more like 16%.

As for why I compared it to STBFL, the whole schtick of STBFL is being able to land hits faster. A huntress with manna alone can apply a second hit to a survivor before a killer with STBFL can, because hatchets already have a shorter cooldown than basic attacks in the first place.

"I don't see how 20% increase in speed to charging up a hatchet is even equivalent to a Wraith being able to attack while cloaked"

Its essentially seeking a comparison between abilities. Besides that, technically, we already have a wraith that is able to attack while being cloaked, but we call her Spirit, and there are also a ton of issues with that. There is a reason why Huntress, Spirit and Freddy mains are disliked, with the exception of some people. Their addons and main ability(excluding huntress) are simply too strong for the current meta. There are a ton of addons that a killer might need to get the upperhand in some cases. Trapper might need bloody coils when he suspects an SWF team with OoO, Wraith might need all seeing blood and Pig might need Amanda's letter when they see a group of blendettes, but never is there a case where a huntress would need a higher wind up speed. It's basically an addon meant to help new huntresses throw more hatchets in a game to learn how to aim, but it's an addon that ends up getting too strong on a huntress that can already aim. Especially when you dont know you're gonna face a huntress. Facing a huntress already requires a different playing style, facing a decent huntress and you need to drop pallets before the huntress can get an angle to gain distance, allowing a huntress to wind up much later than she originally would need to, to get a fully charged hatchet simply is too strong unless the team knows they're facing a huntress. Considering you cant swap out perks after finding out what killer you face, that is a problem.

So TL;DR

Not mad that I lost against a huntress, I've had harder games against much more skilled huntresses who didnt need to rely on faster hatchet throws. Huntress already has a strong anti-looping skill and is already strong on deadzones(to the point where you literally need urban evasion to be effectively hiding behind objects, but again, cant change perks after the match begun). Having less time inbetween throws, while most maps no longer have proper loops against a huntress, because a proper loop against a huntress is a loop that is too strong for all killers that are not a huntress, is simply too much.

I mean, I can also write a rant on what is wrong with every killer ability, killer perk, survivor perks and survivor items, but outside huntress, spirit and freddy, the only contestors are ebony mori's and SWF's with rainbow map and skeleton keys. I play both survivor and killer, and I avoid spirit and freddy like the plague unless I need a challenge done that I can farm on them. I also stopped playing huntress quite quickly because it got real easy really fast without using addons that affect hatchet time or damage. When the only practical counter to something is specific perks or a terrible player playing the killer, its not balanced. Quick and Quiet didnt have a practical counter other than Whispers back in the day, DS didnt have a practical counter other than Mori back in the day, BL untill recently didnt really have a real counter when dropping other than practically being a skillless Sprintburst with a permanent sound reduction while falling from heights, making Hawkins originally extremely survivor sided if people used BL, yet Hawkins literally was the reason to change BL, as otherwise, it didnt have many maps where it was too strong(still strong on Haddonfield, but not game-changing strong). And yeah, Manna and Iri head for huntress, fall under the catagory of changing the outcome of games single handedly. And a single addon shouldnt be able to change a game that much without having any negative side-effect. I already think that all-seeing blood from wraith needs a negative side effect(I mean, Amanda's letter is literally the same, and it has massive negative impact on her ability even though she's 1/3rd the speed of wraith, so why no negative side effects on wraith's addon?)

This game just needs a massive restructure on the killer side. Which means some killers need some specific nerfs where others need a bit of a buff, just having an overall more consistent base gameplay, where survivors and killers without perks and addons should have about equal chances of winning. Right now, Huntress, Spirit and Freddy do not fit the position of facing perkless survivors and having equal chances. All other killers do, except those 3. And because Huntress doesnt really have perks that would compliment her ability other than aura readings, thats kinda fine, but she shouldnt have addons that shift the edge over that its practically impossible.

And yes, this is a lot of ranting, but you kinda called it upon yourself by assuming I got salty because I lost. No, I didnt. I got pissed off because someone was capable of being a massive ######### because of a singular addon. If anyone can abuse a single perk or addon to the point of being an ultra #########, then there is a problem with the perk or addon. I mean, imagine having a 4 man SWF with an OoO user while playing trapper and having all your traps be pointless unless you tunnel the OoO user, which is being shadowed by someone with a flashlight constantly. Then yeah, you would rightfully complain about OoO, because there was no way for you to practically counter it.

Except that when I play Freddy, anyone dropping a pallet is doomed to recieve a hit. And I am not an amazing killer, but even I know that placing down snares on a strong loop before a pallet is dropped is a must.

As for waking up, thats only temporary and forces you to go across the map, because the clock that can wake you up ALWAYS spawns as far from your current location as possible. The only other options are missing a skillcheck, except that freddy has an addon preventing that, and being woken up by someone else who also is awake, which is only really feasable in an SWF set-up, because playing with randoms, that's like expecting them to save you from a hook before you enter the second hookstage(which, is high expectations if you've seen the average random survivor).

Then you also have the issue of fake pallets, that literally means you need to drop all the pallets while you're awake, ruining any future looping, to prevent a fake pallet, or memorizing the whole goddanm map everytime it generates before you get chased, because once chased, you're a free down for Freddy. So no, its not a counter. Its only a temporary delay that is extremely finite. Because there are only 3-4 strong pallets at most in a game, all other pallets are actually in Freddy's favor as you would definitely be forced to vault the pallet and Freddy can reach the opposite side before you're able to vault back.

Its not a practical counter. Just because it works on paper has no effect on how it works in practice. On paper, spirit is a great idea: a soundbased killer in a game where most killers use visuals. In practice: the entire meta changed to the point where killers listen to breathing and floorboards creaking, making sneaking around even harder and Spirit practically impossible to escape because they literally hear where you are.

Not back in the day, they had to make 1 for self healing obviously, and even then, its only a single heal, when back in the day, you could get at least 3 heals from a green medkit. As for dodging behind object, no, even when crouching behind an object in front of her directly inbetween you and her, a decent huntress can still hit you. A myers or ghostface cannot get stalk from it, but a huntress can get a hit from it. The only practical way of dodging a huntress is either having so many trees that she'll never have a direct line of sight, or few enough trees so you can easily sidestep, except, that there is only 1 map where trees are common enough to use that and maps where that isnt the case, you have tons of other objects you run into, meaning you'd have to look ahead for objects and behind you to see where huntress is aiming at.

Which isnt a problem at her base charge speed, as you have just enough time to look forward and backward inbetween shots, but with the reduction, there is not. Meaning you gotta get lucky on RNG for object spawning or memorize the ######### map before you get in a chase.

On its own, thats fine, however, considering her passive phasing breaks loops, her active phasing breaks loops, her active phasing beats Nurse's teleport AND beats Wraith's cloaked movementspeed. It's a bit too much to also make people inside the TR unaware that she is phasing in the first place. There is too little in game to counter her.

Just because its by design doesnt make it good design. If her phasing speed was 115% instead of 176%, or even 125%, then it would be much more balanced than she is right now.

In short: nerfing it from 10% to 8% barely left an impact, most very skilled huntresses avoid it because its too easy to get hits and it leaves otherwise relatively unskilled huntresses, who can aim(I mean, that's literally 5 games of huntress to get adjusted to her aim) still getting a hit simply because the cooldown is fast enough to not be able to keep surroundings in check while also being forced to look backwards to see where the killer is aiming.

Spirit:

1. No, there is no warning sound unless you stand directly next to her. You can check it with a flashlight, sure, but you'd need a flashlight in the first place, which, odds are, that you wont have unless you already planned on never doing gens and looping the killer instead. No there is 0 difference between her standing still and her phasing. People claiming that are spirit mains who dont play survivor, because as spirit, your arms twitch a bit before you enter, but as a survivor, you dont see any of that.
2. The only way to leave the terror radius in time is to run. If she phases and sees that, she aint gonna be confused, because she can hear you breathe. I mean, I even hear survivor breath while having chase music, and if I play spirit, the only people who dodge my phasing are people who drop a pallet when they think im near. That is the whole issue with her phasing in the first place. You have less background sounds, so things like breathing become more discernable to you.
3. And that is the problem, it breaks mindgaming, removes skill and makes it luck based. I mean, imagine that a survivor randomly disappears without them knowing, leaving no scratchmarks, blood or sound, without having to use perks. People already dislike dance with me, QQ and Iron Will combo because its essentially RNG from killer perspective in which direction they went. Yet dance with me has quite a massive cooldown to be used again because leaving no scratchmarks often in a row is too strong, so why design a killer that does the exact same?
4. Yes, it is, and it increases up to 12 meter away, and there lies another problem. As for tracking her footprints, thats only usable when she isnt chasing you, because she moves too fast to be worried on tracking them.
5. Again, thats reliant on a perk, let alone that stridor fully counters iron will. And it doesnt matter that she doesnt see you, BECAUSE SHE CAN HEAR YOU CLEARLY. Any ######### headset can accurately give way to where a survivor is. Since there is no way to reduce breathing, she can ALWAYS TRACK YOU ACCURATELY. As for nurse being unfun to play, not really. The whole point of getting a massive boost is to recieve a punishment from it. Considering Spirit's phasing doesnt fully drain her cooldown(which is also an issue with Freddy's teleport), makes her able to quickly dash to you faster than a Wraith can catch up. And Wraith also is slowed down while ringing his bell, so that survivors at least can gain some distance, where Spirit has no true downsides. Not seeing survivors is never an issue, not hearing survivors is literally a bigger downside than not seeing them. Blendettes are annoying because they run Iron Will and Urban Evasion besides being hard to see due to her clothes and skintone in general, but I can wear neon clothing, run Iron Will and a killer has a harder time finding me than when I am a Blendette without Iron Will. Sound is a massive thing in this game, if Spirit's hearing was reduced while phasing, then she would be a lot better to face. But because all other sounds except survivor sounds are getting muffled, she has an easier time locating people.

=> Spirit is no mindgame, she literally is RNG while passive phasing and impossible to escape from while phasing. The only literal counter to spirit phasing is to wait at a pallet and go for the stun.

Freddy:

1. Jumprope, yes, chains? also apply to awake survivors, and its very easy to keep survivors asleep. Especially if you use chains and paintbrush.
2. 90 seconds while everyone is awake is still unacceptable, especially since he can spend that time setting up traps. Then all he needs to do is land 1 single basic attack and tadaa, asleep. At least old Freddy had to put people asleep himself. Let alone that if you have to constantly wake yourself up using skillchecks every 60 seconds(which only wakes up the one who fails the skill check, not the ones who are near the skillcheck, except when healed, then only the person being healed wakes up), forcing a 10% reduction and letting Freddy know exactly where you are, meaning the only other way is being woken up by other people who are awake or by moving to the opposite side of a map(while you probably will be seen by Freddy, either starting a chase or letting him know you're not doing gens, both which are pretty critical to a game), which will take even longer. Meaning you're literally better off just rushing a gen with someone else instead and hope you get a skillcheck while at 90%.
3. Snares activate quick enough to essentially break a loop before you can even run him, meaning you're forced to run in a line and hope there are enough decent vaults and pallets, which arent too many off. And again, staying awake when playing solo is practically impossible without constantly letting freddy know where you are.
4. He can place down pallets during a chase, not effectively, obviously, besides that, it takes less than a second to set them up and all you need is a slightly believable place. There are often times where I dont know a pallet is fake untill after I wake up, because you dont run around the map, scouting out all the pallets and memorizing them untill you get into a chase in the first place.
5. Not really, same lunge distance, applied from the center of the killer hitbox, and freddy's hitbox is smaller, making the lunge range larger. Which is why Freddy can hit you when you are on the opposite side of the pallet while other killer cannot(except hag, hag also has the same hit range as freddy).

=>Freddy is extremely good while you are asleep, and has decent enough pressure to deal with survivors who stay awake.

I mean, you are forced to constantly reveal yourself to Freddy if you want to stay awake, because you cant be woken up untill you fall asleep. If waking up didnt rely on giving away your location, then yeah, freddy would be a lot weaker than he is right now.

And just because there is some counterplay, doesnt mean a killer doesnt need a nerf. Especially when a killer has RNG to them.

Her phase is literally 176%, only her passive phase is 110%, and the issue is that mindgaming is what allows for looping. Burning pallets everywhere, does not. A decent spirit will know a strong pallet and break it, then phase to catch up, without having any negative side effects. Even wraith is forced to slow down when catching up. If spirit was forced into a prolonged cooldown after a phase attack, then it would at least have a negative side effect to constantly phasing.