Camping and tunneling, toxic or not
Is camping and tunneling toxic
Camping and tunneling, toxic or not 181 votes
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Obviously not. Those can be seen as strategies. Bad ones, but strategies.
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Lol no, it's the most toxic thing in the game
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I mean, yeah, they are """valid strategies""", but they're still incredibly toxic without a doubt. But unless the devs suddenly pull an about face and ban for them, we all kinda have to deal with it sadly.
Tunneling I could see an argument for at least, since it has some counterplay and can be done strategically by the killer, but camping is just BM that ruins the hooked person's experience, especially if it's a LF that just revs any time somebody gets close.
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Even banning wont work since they dont ban players on console, they'd have to make it so survivors get extreme buffs making it a 90% chance of a 4 escape to just discourage camping and tunneling while still leaving it for incredibly skilled people, also camping has a counter more than tunneling just not for the hooked survivor, tunneling has no counter except for the non usefull perks
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It really depends on the “tunneling”. If you’re skipping over every other survivor just to get the one who was unhooked then yeah, it’s toxic. If it was an unsafe unhook it’s not the killers fault.
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Camping is kinda toxic but I also wouldnt consider proxying hook to be camping since if you hook a survivor and get no bbq auras or any of your other survivor finders aren't going off then you dont really have much choice other then to pick a random gen and hope
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Just because you don't enjoy it doesn't make it toxic.
Camping and tunneling are tactics used to further the killer's objective. There is an important distinction to be made between toxic behaviour done with the sole intent of generating negativity, and strategies that just aren't very fun to play against.
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It always depends on the circumstances, but yeah, as said above, they are "strategies". Extremely poor ones, not much skill involved, but still strategies.
And I talk about circumstances because sometimes Killers tunnel or camp you for a specific reason (they got t-bagged / they saw a survivor with a key / They need to attack or hook certain survivors because of a perk). Situations like that I can understand, and it's not toxic at all.
However if a Killer decides to, for example, facecamp you because, I don't know, they don't like your skin, or they got mad because they got juked hard, then yeah, that's pretty toxic and childish. Because that Killer is not doing it because of a strategy, they just wanna ruin your game because they are mad at you.
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No...?
They're strategies.
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No, I don't think it is toxic. It is annoying when it happens to me, but I understand the situation killers are in.
Killers job is to kill survivors. They achieve that however they want. Survivors who get mad at these stratagies should be mad at themselves for not knowing how to avoid or loop the killer better.
Especially when 2 or less gens are left, what choice does a killer have? Leave the hook in search of healthy survivors or stay close to the hook and aim for the one that will be dead on next hook?
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Short answer: no, killers must kill
Long answer : it depends. Facecamping for the whole match survivors after survivors, toxic (and terribly unfun), patrolling hook because you saw scratch marks/BBQ/heard something, not toxic, just common sense dammit.. And camping last hook when gates are open and survivors ready to escape, Ok. I understand this sucks for you but it would be dumb to leave now (Or you feel too bad like me and patroll to give them a chance)
Tunneling: unsafe un hook: your fault. Unwillingly finding the same survivor : bad luck, Or just heal and hide better. Ignoring other survivors to tunnel one, kind of toxic.
Anyway never bannable. I personnaly try to never do it but still get ######### sometimes in the end chat so whatever, salty people will never stop anyway
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Yes but its impossible lately to kill as an assassin if you dont camp.
Teabagging is toxic and has no logical reason to be.
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Camping is basically saying "screw you, I'm gonna lose to make sure you die".
Sometimes this is perfectly acceptable, like if they were teabagging and pointing constantly, triple chain blinded, decisive, gen rush, and/or other toxic BHVR just to be toxic, then yes. Face camp that toxic Meg or Nea or whoever until they are dead. Or, if you don't have a kill by the time the exit gates are open, and you down someone, I see that as perfectly OK to camp. I don't even feel bad about it. If you do get a kill by the time the exit gates are open, hook then chase. I think that's acceptable.
Also, tunneling is kind of a loose term nowadays. DS was meant to counter tunneling, but maybe you down 3 people within a short time, and the third happened to have DS ready. You pick them up and you get stunned. How is that fair? Now, if you see someone with a key and as soon as they are unhooked you beeline straight for them, you kinda have to do that, but it's still kinda mean. I honestly don't think tunneling is toxic.
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You are going out of your way to ruin someone's game by specifically targeting them. That to me is one of the very definitions of "Toxic".
And if it's an unsafe unhook, then you trade survivors. Take the unhooker and put them on the hook instead.
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I camp because:
People like to point at me, call me, teabag and loop, those I wait until they are dead.
When I put someone at the hook my whispers skill keeps telling me someone is around so I camp to get the rescuer.
The enemy team is very good and there’s one or two generators left and I killed nobody yet.
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Depends on context, camping for no reason is pretty toxic
Tunneling usually isn't though.
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Am I voting on this poll as a Survivor or as a Killer?
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Camping for the most part is a justified action because survivors are hook bombing, but tunneling is not okay.
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Yes, it is a strat, but if you take away someone's chance to play the game by tunneling them second they are taken off the hook or by facecamping them, that cannot be "not toxic". You probably ruined that person's experience, just to get a kill.
Tho I undesrtand if you want to secure a kill when there is like 1 genny left. Then you can tunnel, camp, whatever. Also, tunneling a person if you leave them slugged is fine too imo.
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Objectively, nothing you can do is toxic. How insulted or offended you are at something entirely depends on you, no matter how irritable your experience becomes as a result.
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Do you know what toxic means? Its clearly toxic it ruins the fun
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I think that "toxic" is a term which is used way too often for stuff which just makes one side lose. This is an example.
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No thats wrong. Toxic means to be an ######### just to ruin someones game experience. Most often used against better players to get some sort of "revenge." Its simply childish behavior
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Both is a tactic weather fun to play or play against. Mainly they also have no other choice and survivors are so toxic that they complain about the killer doing their job, because “they’re not having fun” it’s truly not the killers job to make the game fun, their job is to kill survivors. I personally mainly tunnel, however if there’s two or more gens completed I will resort to camping so I can have a guarantee kill, I hate it but if it’s how we have to play the game, it’s what is needed to be done.
I will also say that no survivor can complain, they have a lot of second chance perks (read one of my discussions for more detail about it)
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Its still toxic
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Yeah if you try and unhook 2 seconds after I've hooked someone then I'm gonna smack you. That's just game play but I get a lot of "you camper" salt in the after chat. Also gen rush crew that get the gate early and you lucky hook one in the basement in the end game, I've had games where all survivors go down trying to run one after the other in there to unhook. Barely have time to get up the stairs before the next one runs in... now is this camping?
Yeah I'm not gonna chase you across the map while your buddies unhook that guy and all run out the door that would be dumb. So I don't chase you I'm a dirty camper but I do chase you, you all call me dumb for chasing you... can't win, well I get more points for the camp so I'm a gonna camp it.
Standing in someones face and reving your chainsaw is obnoxious and toxic, adding a hook to your patrol because its a place where survivors will be is gameplay. But whiners gonna whine what can you do?
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100% toxic AF.
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While it's toxic I see it as (only sometimes) when a survivor is just super cocky and toxic so I see it as a comeback sometimes
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I think either can be deemed "toxic" depending on how the two pieces of the game are used. If it's a facecamping insidious leatherface that refuses to leave the hook at 5/4 gens? yes. If it's a killer struggling to keep their pressure up against a decent team with 3/2 gens left and they proxy a survivor on struggle to slow the game down? no.
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Absolutely not. It is simply strategy and while it can be unfun to play against, it's not your job to make it fun for other players, it's your job to win and sometimes camping/tunneling is just the logical thing to do. I find it toxic to message a player after a match and make it personal by insulting them. As a survivor main, I'm disappointed that other survivors try to bully killers into playing a certain way just because it doesn't appeal to them.
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In My Opinion strategy or not doing something that intentionally ruins the enjoyment for other people is "Toxic" so I would say yes
Tunneling is different because if the survivors is asking for it then go ahead kill them, but if they just got unhooked I tend to knock them down but not hook them and go after other people it slows the game without ruining the survivors experience
I do understand if it was a hard game and they only got one down or something like that and they just want that one kill so no in that case it wont be
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There should have been a depends option because it really does depend on the situation. If there's been like 2 gens done and no hooks, it's slightly okay and understandable (would be more understandable with 3 gens done). But if you tunnel/camp with 0 gens done, that's just toxic af and like. Just... Why?
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