Killers choosing to use Freddy and Spirit or NOED is no different to Survivors running meta builds
And rushing the objective because it's the most effective thing to do...
Or communicating in SWF because...why skip out on the advantage?
The hypocrisy is ripe in this community and I can't stand it at times. You can villainise a Killer all you want for running NOED on Freddy but when you yourself are doing the most optimal thing a survivor can do? You look dumb. You act as if you yourself are not also using all the tools at your disposal to defeat the Killer and leave. We are in a situation right now where BOTH sides "usually" take or use the best stuff they can in order to win, because...why the hell wouldn't you. The game is completive in nature.
Trying to shame one side or the other for running something because it's meta is ######### ridiculous and people seem to not be able to step back, look at the bigger picture and go...
"wait, we're both the same".....because we are.
If you criticise a Killer for running NOED on Spirit, remove DS, BT, Adrenaline and Unbreakable from your loadout, and before you say "BuT NOED iS brOKen aNd yOU cAN't ComPAIRe tHOsE ThiNGs-"
Irrelevant, regardless of how overpowered or balanced something is, people WILL use it, why? because it's strong and it gives them an advantage.
The hypocrisy is real.
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Noed isnt even good on freddy and spirit unless your a rank 20
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The big problem is SWF lets survivors out-optimize killers. They are cheating through by using comms to effectively substitute in a bunch of free perks.
Hooked by killer? just push-to-talk and tell your friends on discord where he's going, who he's running towards, and if he doubles around to try and dupe you, tell them that as well.
Killer damaged your gen? tell a friend to come get it so killer wastes time damaging gens in exchange for almost no regression.
The list goes on and on, and killers have no way to counter this without devs finally admitting SWF is a problem.
Tbh I think they will nerf NOED at some point, because it's basically tradition now that killer meta gets purged. Nurse was purged, hex ruin was purged, and whatever meta killers develop will be purged whilst things like DS-abuse on SWF teams is never touched.
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there are so many perks to use on spirit and freddy that are better tho...
besides, noed is fine
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Okay but why torture the survivors for using a meta build ? Every single killer I play against uses a meta build and you're gonna make the match miserable because we're using a meta build but if you use a meta build it's okay ? I personally don't care if I go against a normal Freddy or a Spirit with Noed, but why make the game miserable for the other side ? That's just not very nice to make the match boring on the other side even though you're using a meta build as a killer too.
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I got your point. Just mentioning that noed isnt good on freddyor spirit
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Did you see otzs facecamping noed bubba where hed get at least 3ks everygame?
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Because he's not good enough to compete with the other side, so he rather use advantages instead of developing better skill.
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Are we talking about Killers who are mean to survivors for no reason? because if so, that has nothing to do with my point and that's a discussion that happens on the daily. People can be #########, regardless of what the meta is or what they use. survivors and killers can both be #########.
I'm talking about degrading and insulting someone for using the best items and gear they have available to them, when you yourself (generally speaking) do the same.
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I haven't seen NOED on Freddy in ages.
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youre talking about a person who streams dbd 24/7. On a killer who makes saving a certain survivor literally impossible if they facecamp
generally, noed is fine because the people who use it don't know how to play the game at all. Its a boring perk and a lot of good players dont run it because they don’t wanna play a match with 3 perks (to which, the match will probably end before gens are finished, anyway)
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I get bm'd in post match all the time for using the good ole doc but when i look at their build they have ds,iron,unbreakable,sb(or at least 2 meta perks)
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While yes otz plays a lot this combo can be done pretty much by anyone since gl saving against a facecamping bubba. Either noed needs a nerf so it doesnt synergize with facecamping or facecamping needs another nerf. (Or we can get that wildly suggested bubba rework finally).
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Not at all, I play Spirit because I find the Japanese schoolgirl archetype cute. Don't lump all of us Spirit mains as those degenerate meta players.
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There are a lot of things to unpack here. But the biggest one is that the best player is the one that uses the most advantages.
So if camping literally guaranteed a 4k (it doesn't) then you would expect the best player to be a camper.
If he's REALLY "not good enough to compete with the other side" then that means he's losing. So if he's not losing and he's not cheating then whatever he is doing MUST be an example of good play, or at least better than the Survivors he's facing.
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A good killer doesn't use meta builds to routinely 4k survivors though. If an average killer want to run it once in a while, ok that's fine. My survivor build is far from meta, but I still do fairly well overall. I don't want to use overpowered builds, because that's just not something I want to do.
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"You won, but what you did takes no skill, so you're bad!" is a pretty common scrub-mentality comment. Essentially, people start inventing their own definitions of skill in their mind, and only things that fit that definition are truly "skillful" to them.
It's why newer fighting game players fixate heavily on flashy combos and then say that their opponent was "boring" and "not fun" and "had no skill" when their opponents win by blocking and using simple, well-spaced normals. (Boring, not fun, no skill...sound familiar?)
It's why a lack of matchmaking is the real plague in the game. Casual Billy who just wants to mess around and farm BP and "have fun" can't just play with other Casual Billy players, he keeps getting matched against Joe Hardcore who is playing Spirit and can hear a mosquito fart in the wind.
Hardcore Joe is upset by a lack of challenge in the match, and Casual Billy is upset that Hardcore Joe "didn't let him play" which is "boring" and that "tunneling" him when he left eight miles of scratch marks "took no skill".
It's a classic conflict that exists in Every. Single. Player. Versus. Player. Game. Ever. (And other game types, honestly)
Usually it's largely diminished by ensuring that Casual Billy gets to play with other Casual Billy types, and Hardcore Joe gets to play against other Hardcore Joes. But not here. They're just all thrown into a bucket and shaken up until five players fall out.
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I mean... this game DOES have matchmaking. It just doesn't have any differentiation between ranked and non-ranked.
Everything else I 100% agree.
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Well yes...it technically has matchmaking in the sense that I can technically make a boat out of paper, but neither are particularly effective. 😁
If know they're working on it, though. So hey.
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