When a Survivor Main says a Killer is "boring"

ONE WORD. LEGION.

Legion with thana, pop and other perks that severely slow the game down. Your playing a 30-45 min match trying to complete gens. I also think camping gens or forcing a 3 gen is boring. Yes it can be a strategy but a boring one.

Not a survivor main but I play more survivor than killer right now (closer to 70/30 than 50/50 because I dont want my bad ping and fps to ruin a game for 5 people instead of just 2).

Whenever I call a killer boring to face, I mean that I don't enjoy facing them because I know what the outcome is going to be. Take old legion- you knew he'd stab you, then stab again, and stab again, with nothing you could do.

Spirit is another (less prominent) example of this. If a spirit uses stridor then there's very little you can do while injured except heal. Provided she doesn't have stridor, and I do have iron will, however, I can see why some say she's fun to face. When she's in the dark as much as you are, the guessing becomes a lot more fair (it's closer to a coin flip than winning the lottery three days in a row after entering half a ticket).

So, to me, I find a killer boring because I know the outcome of the match before it begins. The spirit will 3k or hatch if she has stridor, slinger will quickscope every loop, clown will get pummeled, etc. Whereas huntress or nurse or Demo or hag- you see them and you wonder how good they are, how well will the game go for you and your team. And the mystery unravels through your interaction with them.

I think the only Killer that qualifies as actually Boring is Legion. Because unless you are the one that is chased, if he uses his power, he just injures you and wastes your time Mending.

Keep in mind, what I consider Boring is when a Killer's power wastes my time, isn't dangerous, and also doesn't make me think during a chase.

Every other Killer you still have interactivity with, even the ones that are controversial:

• Deathslinger - Bait him same way you bait Huntress, except successful baits tend to cause him to lose much more than just having to wind up for their next hatchet throw. Use Windows and Doors to your advantage, bait them to play predictably. His projectile shot is as fast as Huntress' Charged Hatchets, so if you can play against Huntress, you can play against Deathslinger.
• Freddy - Other than staying awake, his snares really are not as strong as some people make it out to be. You can either avoid them or bomb rush through it, while forcing a pallet down as well as run to another structure. L & T Walls are his biggest enemy, because they don't have pallets but they both have windows. And you can still fast vault through a snare.
• Spirit - If she starts to stand still, run away in the opposite direction, never vault into her or walk into her, actually NEVER come near a 10 meter radius around her, and when you're out of her LOS, start walking to get rid of your scratch marks. And walk TOWARDS her so she swings and misses behind you. Then start running again. Of course this might not always work, but Spirit is a Killer that forces you to read the Player, not the Killer, meaning you need to predict what they might do based on what they've done a couple of minutes earlier. You need to be unpredictable so she cannot get a read on you.

But personal preference, there is one Killer I dislike almost as much as Legion, and that is the Trapper.

I don't find him fun to go up against, unless they are a potato. Good Trapper Mains knows how to stop a chase before it even begins, and I don't like that, I want to at least have a chance to loop him around a structure but I got unlucky because he trapped that structure ahead of time. By no means does he need a nerf, if anything he needs a buff, but his playstyle is just one I personally cannot enjoy playing against, and that is completely fine.

Id say that's probably true in some cases. Either way I think it boils down to "the killer didn't play the way I wanted him to" so it's whatever. I think when they are playing "fair" it gets boring. Some killers don't even down you when you make a mistake. They just use their power and run away. Legion was a good example. When the killer is being "fair" it has potential to be boring by design. Sometimes I like a slug match so someone can pop unbreakable and pick people up,or pop the last gen so people get adrenaline. Being fair,there's only so many things you can do as survivor. It's not quite as varied as killers with all different powers.

To me "boring" killers are killers that have little room for counter play. Oni, Spirit, Freddy, Gunslinger, Legion all fit this category to some extent with Oni and Spirit being the worst offenders.

Legion: You are going to get hit no matter what. Whatever its fine, Legion sucks either way.

Gunslinger: Eventually even bad killers will hit a shot when they can fire every 5 seconds.

Freddy: Absolutely brain dead in chases

Spirit: Guessing games. "MIND GAMES"

Oni: haHAA

Bro, you make legion miss, he gets slowed down, and you break his chain of getting feral frenzy. They made this change because old legion had no counterplay. He is one of the easiest killers in the game to counter.

Deathslinger is the same way, he gets slowed down so much while reloading, if he is still able to catch you and constantly misses, then you are not playing well yourself.

And you counter Freddy by constantly swapping to other loops, if you stick to one loop, you will not last long as his appeal is the ability to close distances between you and him. Looking for L walls, try and get better at dragging him all around. Plus, you can still fast vault while affected by a snare.e

I don't think playing killer is boring, but it can take some serious focus to catch good loopers. A level of focus I often don't have. The cool thing about survivor side is I can just try to hide and do gens or look for totems when I don't have the patience for all the loop stuff.

little to no interaction in chases. also, boring chase mechanics that basically ensure the survivors skill doesn’t matter if the killer is good enough (for instance- deathslinger or spirit)

Well considering that different people find different things boring, and that Survivor Mains are people with individual thoughts and opinions on things, I'd imagine they find what boring means would vary from Survivor Main to Survivor Main.

Being a Killer Main, I couldn't say for sure.

The only times I get bored when playing Survivor are when I'm slugged for a while, the Killer facecamps, or my teammates just won't do anything.

Those games are boring because my choices don't really matter. I may as well not be playing/be a bot that holds M1 and taps Spacebar/not bother playing.

However those games are generally few and far between and aren't related to any specific Killers and don't make the entire match boring (chases are always fun).

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As a suggestion - if you're genuinely curious and not just trying to start one if those heated vs. debates that are so popular in the DBD community - maybe you could try playing Survivor for a while.

Personally I find playing Survivor every so often helps me as Killer - giving me insight into how they play, the way they see, and what actions they might or might not take; which in turn helps me figure out how to be a step ahead of them or otherwise surprise them.

Maybe in addition to answering your question, you could similarly learn something to help out with your Killer games.

A Killer like Deathslinger is an easy escape... because he has no map pressure and can easily get gen rushed.

That doesn't make him fun to play against. It's M1 gaming or getting chased and hoping he misses because at least 60-70% of pallets are unsafe against him (if he even lets you drop the pallet)

Not really, I also find LF and clown to be boring as hell. They just don't effect me that much because they are very rarely played. Also, I didn't see a single person call huntress boring. Don't confuse annoying hits with being boring.

Being effective in chases doesn't suddenly make killers enjoyable. Freddy's chase interaction for example is literally dropping the pallet early when you are in the dream world (no mindgames or actually showing your skill). If you find that fun, good for you but you should understand why others would not like that gameplay.

Survivors aren't some evil beings that just want to bully killers and boring does not mean being strong. The killer bias in these forums are truly amazing sometimes.

Yup.

I've said it like 25 times on this forum so far, "boring" is just code for something that actually works for the opponent.

Why do we know this? Because "boring" is used as the same code in every other player-vs-player game. It's so common and consistent that it's actually pretty humorous.

Usually that complaint is followed up on how to change the Killer to not be "Boring" to go up against.

I think that is what he is trying to understand.

Why should people's subjective feelings over certain killers be a deciding factor in balancing them?

Yeah you are right that what is "boring" can be different to many different people. But since i know for a fact that this guy only ever plays killer i see it kinda pointless for him to ask others because hes gonna just assume any sort of response is some kind of entitled survivor main. He could never possibly understand any sort of problems survivors have even if they aren't even related to killers. He said himself in his videos that he has a "deep disdain" for survivors. He has zero empathy for survivors and this is an online multiplayer game and if you want a game like this to last a long time you HAVE to have at the very least an understanding of the other sides motives. I understand that he might encounter toxic or entitled survivors all the time but that's par for the course cause i encounter entitled/toxic killers all the time but i don't patronize the plights that they have like this guy does. If a survivor has a problem or something, he assumes that every survivor is toxic or entitled just because they are survivors. I don't stand for that, cause both sides have toxic individuals to space coconut this game is a Us vs. Them which is not a healthy mentality for the continued existence of this game

I don't think I'd use "boring" to describe a killer, would use "disappointing". Like when I play a pig and she just tunnels people with traps on and 3 hooking them before they can even attempt to remove it, disappointing because I've seen ones apply amazing pressure with the traps and it adds a level of suspense to the match. Or someone plays Mikey but they don't even bother to play him as stalker, just quickly kill everyone - it's disappointing because he's my favorite and I've played ones that do amazing at making you feel nervous about him being around corners the entire match. When I play a Trapper and he doesn't use traps or a Demogorgon doesn't use portals - disappointed because they aren't using their powers that make you pay attention to your surroundings, just move freely around map without watching your step.