Leatherface buff/rework
As we know Leatherface Is one of the weakest killers in the game, maybe with this changes we can make him more viable.
CONS
-When Leatherface is charging chainsaw he goes to 86-87% movement speed, thats slower than carrying survivor.
-When he bumps into object he gets stun for 5 seconds while Hillbilly gets 3 and catch up in no time.
-When he downs survivor he needs to wait for his animation to end.
- Has no map pressure.
- Add-ons, most of them are useless.
BUFF/REWORK
- While charging the chainsaw Leatherface doesn't lose movement speed or he goes to 105%
-When Leatherface bumps into object he gets 3 seconds stun like Hillbilly.
-Leatherface can stop his animation after third swing.
-Add-ons need complete rework.
Its not complete rework but i think this would really help him, if anyone doesn't agree with this please tell me your opinion, im open for discussion.
Comments
-
Thanks, appreciate it
0 -
Allow him to yeet his chainsaw at survivors over pallets.
1 -
What he needs is more interesting addons .. so far are totally crap, and maybe some fo your buffs
0 -
Hahaha that would be op man
0 -
Add-ons are crap, he need new ones, and with these buffs he would be good killer
0 -
Really some of the stuff on here isnt that much of a problem. Bubba's tantrum for example isnt really comparible to Billy's bump time. Bubba's tantrum is still lethal. The amount of people I've downed with that chainsaw because of the tantrum time is unbelieveable. As far as the chainsaw swinging after hitting someone...thats not a problem either. Typically you can use that time to break a pallet nearby if you want or even a 2nd survivor. Getting 2 for 1 is rare, but it happens. I agree his addons could use some love, expecially the Chili addons, and he could use abit more speed while revving...although the numbers your suggesting is abit overkill.
0 -
I think tanturm is not that lethal, i think bumping into object and getting 5 seconds stun is a lot, bcs he losses movement speed while charging and if he bumps on top of that... Can you explain why do you think its overkill? Just asking.
0 -
I play Bubba quite abit with PWYF, and the numbers I'm hearing would be very much like 3 stacks of PWYF while revvin the saw at all times...thats nuts. The big part of running PWYf on Bubba is just to offset that slowdown time while revving. Its really strong on him and the thought of that being his normal... As for the bumping, alot of times I do it on purpose for ppl doing locker jukes. Bubba has ALOT more control of his saw than Billy does, so if your bumping into trees or whatever mid-chase...yeah, you deserve to pay for it.
0 -
He can move, just VERY slowly. I've had times where I managed to end a tantrum because I was right next to a thrown pallet and breaking it via chainsaw ended tantrum early.
0 -
No god damned buffs for Leatherface. He is already the puppet of the most toxic ppl in the game. Let's not enhance their core mechanism of assholery. Can I interest you in some nice Trapper buffs? Clown maybe? 😂
1 -
Hahaha but he is one of the weakest killera, people camp with him for a reason, maybe this buff would make them camp less bcs they could do well. Clown also needs rework xD
0 -
Lets be honest, that happens ones in who knows how many games, and who would do that intentionally
0 -
Im not arguing AGAINST buffs, just think what was suggested is too much. Being as fast or faster than the survivor while revving, then going up to 126.5% movement speed (without addons) is too much.
0 -
intentionally end it via sawing a pallet? Yeah, thats pretty rare, lol. I was just pointing it out because it was said he cant move while in tantrum, which is false. He CAN move, just very...very...slowly.
0 -
- He should be able to cancel his power mid use.
- His speed when charging should be increased, because smelling what perfume the survivors are wearing to get a hit is just dumb.
- His bar needs to be fixed. I can't even tell how many times I saw it at 100%, but it actually wasn't.
- Complete rework of the add-ons.
2 -
@Maperson Bubba's current top speed without addons is 126.5%. Most of that is used to catch up after slowing down for 2 seconds at 85% speed. If he's allowed to move at 100% or 105% or whatever else you guys are suggesting during the rev... it wouldnt matter what his speed would be while he was swinging because the survivor would be downed by the first swing. If memory serves right, I believe Billy gets slowed to about 92% speed while revving HIS saw. If Bubba were to get THAT, he'd lose about half the distance he currently does while revving and would take half the time to close that distance, so it wouldnt feel like you have to be on a survivor's ass before ya begin the rev. I feel like that's a pretty good sweet spot.
edit, forgot to quote your comment so youd know i was replying to ya
1 -
How much should be increased in your opinion?
0 -
The speed shouldn't be higher than the survivor. Maybe slightly increased to 95%. Cancelling the animation would be nice also.
0 -
Umm maybe we did not understand eachother, when charging chainsaw his movement speed goes to 100-105$ with maximum 115-120% at the end?
0 -
But wouldnt we also need to be right behind survivor then?
0 -
As someone who plays Bubba alot with PWYF stacks, thats the closest thing we currently have to what your describing. 3 Stacks of PWYF makes him move at roughly 100% speed while revving that saw. Its because of this that I can tell you... what your suggesting is too much. The survivor would drop after the first swing, let alone the swings after that when he gets faster. I already do this fairly regularly, which is why I'm saying it.
0 -
But he needs PWYF and Nemesis to be somewhat viable and even then its hard, and listen, we got Nurse who ignore most of the objects, Hillbilly insane map preasure and instadown, Freddy teleport and snares and list can go on.. With this buff he can be mid tier, bcs right now he is one of the weakst killera in the game. What is your opinion? What buffs he should get, tell me your opinion
1 -
Yea we should tbh. Imagine those speeds with PWYF and Nemesis lol I'd become sniping bubba.
If I have 3 stacks of PWYF and am holding my chainsaw fully charged with your 105 speed then I'd annihilate teams. I'd be moving at 120% speed with a fully charged chainsaw 😂😂 I can run across the map chasing people with a fully charged chainsaw faster than normal killers run lol
Actually I change my mind I want your speed 😂 survivors looping me while my chainsaw is fully charged and I'm 120% speed.
0 -
Bubba shouldn't be dependet on perks, you saw how Freddy works with Discordance
0 -
What I'm saying is if he was slowed to about Billy's rev speed, he would only lose about half the distance during the rev and would be able to make that up in half the time as normal. It may not seem like a big change from 85% to 92%, but it truly is. He wouldnt need to be right on someones ass if it only took half the time as it does now to catch back up. That's about the extent I would change for him as far as his speeds go. His addons need work and thats a separate issue.
0 -
I've said it afew times already but I'll say it again. Change his slowdown on the rev from 85% speed to 92% and update his addons. Some of his addons literally do nothing (chili, award winning chili). They were planning on giving his addons a run through anyways since hes one of the killers without an UR addon.
0 -
Shouldn't be dependent but any changes to a killer must be done while making sure they aren't broken by perks.
Just look at Nemesis and Legion. Initially Nemesis on Legion would make your deep wound timer run down while he's still chasing you lol so they had to change legion so if your running your timer stops.
I find fun using different perks on killers for once. Rather this than seeing every killer run the exact same perks.
0 -
92%, same as Billy.
We're all talking about band-aid fixes here though, which would make him at least playable and not frustrating. I personally think that his power needs a complete redesign. Otherwise, he will always remain an inferior version of Billy with little to none map pressure.
0 -
PWYF and Nemesis can be good on almost all killers, i mean Freddy can teleport on gens, if u are using Discordance its great on him
0 -
Who knows, this i just an idea, maybe we wont even get rework or buff
0 -
Its all about who gets the most value out of those stacks of PWYF. It takes time to build the stacks, so if you can down someone using only 1, vs 2... its a big difference.
0 -
My ideal rework for The Cannibal
- Chainsaw charge works the same as The Hillbilly - Hold the button down to fill it up and the power will activate automatically at 100%. This is to prevent any accidental activation uses. This would also mean he can regress the meter by releasing to slowly let it regress. Ideally the longer this was held the faster it would build up and release to prevent camping.
- Cancelling the power does not give The Cannibal a slow penalty to enable him to mind game at pallets
- Base movement speed set to 100% when charging
- New Passive that involves the bump mechanic and his tantrum - The more The Cannibal bumps into objects the longer his penalty gets each time but the farther his sweep can go with less steering control with a max of 3 tiers. Revert tiers by downing survivors with either melee or the chainsaw. Something like this anyway that makes Tantrum more part of his power in a useful way. Alternatively just add a regressing meter that does the same thing if Bubba bumps into stuff and it would make the bump addons more useful.
0 -
Even that I'd disagree with. I was running THIS build before nemesis came out and was doin just fine. The whole thing is just knowing how to use the chainsaw to help you zone, while at the same time not chasing the same survivor for extended amounts of time.
0 -
The thing is if they just plain buffed him people would still facecamp everytime they lose. People will always camp as a last resort (or just because they like to ruin the game for others).
The developers either need to rework him into something completely different mechanically or they need to make camping straight up impossible otherwise they'd literally just create a stronger camper that can catch people even quicker before he can camp them.
I love Bubba. I have been (almost) exclusively playing him since the day they released him. But even I think he needs to get a complete update. He's more of a toxic meme and mistake-reliant killer than anything else. Bubba deserves better.
0 -
Don't let him move so fast, slow him to Billy's speed and it's good.
0 -
I think the add-ons are a big step in fixing him, but I would personally like more of a full-on rework, and less number tweaks. He just needs more identity, personally.
0 -
I agree, he needs rework, I doubt devs would use any of this, but this is just my idea
1 -
Killer should be strong without add-ons, but yeah he needs new ones, so probably it's the best to get full rework on him
0 -
But Hillbilly can catch up in no time while Leatherface can't
0 -
I was actually just using this screenshot because it has the build on it and I had it on hand. Me doing well with the build wasnt just a random fluke but just knowing how to squeeze every advantage out of bubba he has over just a normal M1 killer and make good use of his saw. Alot of it comes down to time management and area awareness, which most people lack.
0 -
I had brought up PWYF because we were discussing speeds. Current Bubba's rev speed with 3 stacks of PWYF would feel identical to some of the buffs yall were talking about without the perk on.
0 -
I feel like your missing the point. The biggest advantage to using those 2 perks, nemesis and PWYF, was simply to offset the speed loss while revving. The numbers suggested would be giving that basically for free. Beyond that, Bubba is already viable with other builds. I didnt start using PWYF on him til after Oni released, and I did that without any slowdown perks. While I agree he could use some buffs, and theyve already said theyre gonna do an overhaul on his addons...what your suggesting would be equivalent to having 3 or 4 stacks of PWYF built in. I feel like that is abit much, which is why I suggested 92% speed while revving as opposed to the 100% or 105%. I do think it would be neat if they gave him something else as well considering we DO have a button free for Bubba since he doesnt have to use it for reloading or anything.
0 -
It would be cool if he had some sort of mobility ability. Imagine if he could run around similar to Oni, but maybe slower without the attack tied to it.
0 -
Honestly in that situation...Id be fine with nothing. Let him run around at about 150-175% with Oni's degree of freedom using the same button you'd push to reload your gun as deathslinger or crouch as Pig. He'd have a brief cooldown phase when he stops, similar to Oni, and then would be able to continue like normal. Im just spitballing here, but that would be really handy for not only getting around the map but also for zoning.
0 -
I dunno if that would make people camp with him more or less. I just know he's not fun to go against,and not much fun to play. I'd say something could be done to improve that on both fronts. I just had 3 matches in a row against him,which I couldn't believe,and I was done after that. In the one he just stood in the only door and was able to down three people,two of which were around a corner. So I'm not sure if the tantrum is really the issue. I think something should be done that makes him viable to play in a different sort of way,so I do agree with most of what you're saying here.
0 -
I dunno, im just sayin things that I think would be cool. Hes gonna have his addons touched up, that much we know for sure. The devs have said they wanted to do his, Billys and Huntress's addons since they dont conform to the normal addon rarity setup that the other killers have.
0 -
Bruh, a Leatherface moving faster than survivors while charging his saw would make him way too broken, especially considering that he has the ability to down multiple survivors at a time.
0 -
Award winning chili works really good, anything that increases chainsaw movement speed or decreases charge time. I catch survivors all the time that get cocky and wanna taunt me while im camping, they think they know the exact distance they are safe at, they are wrong because of chili and I run them down. I dont think he sucks. People camp with him because he's the best at it. Many times Ive dropped all 3 that thought they could just rush the hook. LOL He cant be bullied at the hook. He's one of my favorites to use.
0
