Question to Survivors that perform unsafe hook removals
One of the things that I simply don't understand is why so many survivors (even red ranks) knowingly perform unsafe hook removals while the killer is standing in plain sight. It's even more confusing when it happens almost immediately after someone has been hooked.
The only answer I can come up with is that there are lots of survivors that are not playing to escape because if escaping is the goal unsafe hook removals are one of the most counterproductive things you can do.
I can at least understand swooping in at the last second before someone moves to struggle phase or s about to die to remove someone. At that point they were going to die. At least at that point you might buy some time. When a killer is camping unhooking at any other time is actually detrimental to escaping as you have wasted time that could have been spent working towards objectives.
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When I try to punish those people, they end up getting unhooked themselves and then have DS or BT applied to them, because other survivors didn't see the farming.
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It's likely because they're farming BP or trying to complete a daily (and have no patience).
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Yeah sometimes survivors lack information as to what happen.
I am guessing the killer down you and then hook you again? Yeah that sounds like not the best choice there. Since ideally the killer would of wanted to slug you and than go after the Steve and down him. To get three people off the gens. Since a team mate would hopefully come and heal you up, while the killer is after the Steve.
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It's been awhile since i got the daily for unhooks as x character. I believe they had to be safe unhooks. So yeah their lack of patience or not bringing borrow time, might be screwing them over there and not just their team mates.
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I agree it's definitely a jerk move. Guess I always figure they at least want to escape. Maybe that isn't their ultimate goal.
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If I'm injured around the hook and the killer is nearby, quite likely I'll get downed anyway (I'm bad at looping). So, I'll unhook, let the killer down me, and hope they don't come after the unhooked survivor.
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I think a lot of the time it's because people panic and don't think strategically. They go for the save, get seen, and decide to unhook anyway because they don't want the risk they took in attempting it to be for nothing. It doesn't occur to them in the moment that it might be a better idea for everyone involved if they just backed off and let someone else get the rescue.
Basically, sunk-cost fallacy plays a big role. It's the same reason why people playing fighting games will sometimes mindlessly engage an opponent and just try to do as much damage as possible even when they're clearly on the back foot and would really be better off retreating, because they don't want all the health they've already lost to go to waste.
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Yeah, that does sound like the perfect case of how a unsafe hook basically just screws over the person on the hook and not really the saver.
For well, the hooked person doesn't really have much say in the matter. It's more like praying your team mates have borrow time,are willing to at least take a protection hit or are smart. Honestly this is the reason i personally like running borrow time while playing survivor. To help ensure my team makes it out. One build i like to run on survivor, is iron will, gotta go fast perk aka sprint burst, borrow time and botany knowledge. That way i can help buy more time for my team by ensuring chases last just a tiny bit longer. Iron will to not give away our position so easily while injured. Borrow time for the saves and botany to help heal them up quick. For hey, these other three random strangers. Well they are my team mates and i will do everything to the best of my ability to aid them and hopefully escape.
It just a real shame that some people just don't care or are perfectly fine with screwing over their team mates for no real reason.
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May just boil down to the fact that only one Survivor can perform the unhook. It then becomes a race for some Survivors. If they're in it for the points then there's nothing stopping them:
- Big pool of points? Check.
- Loss in Rank if it's an unsafe unhook, meaning they face easier Killers? Check.
- 1 step closer to the hatch spawning? Check.
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Sometimes I'm too committed to going in for the hook, and trading out one of my hook states to prevent you going further can be the best play.
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i sometimes do it because im so used to dicking my friends over in swf
then i realize im playing solo and feel really bad
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It's annoyed me for so long that you still get a fair amount of points for farming your team. Make an unhook only give like 250 points and give the other 1250 on the safe unhook trigger at least.
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Well there is this moronic achievement called Taking One For The Team which requires 250 protective hits near a recently unhooked survivor.
In order to get progression toward the trophy, you have to pretty much take the hit straight after the unhook.
This puts yourself and the unhooked survivor in peril. The killer has to near enough have it's nose between your buttcheeks as you do the unhook.
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If I have borrowed time and he is going into second state or about to die, then yes, everyone should dive at the hook.
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Sometimes you have no other choice.
I would rather give you a chance to keep your hook state than to not get that chance to keep it.
To visualize, you're about to enter struggle and the killer is nearby. I will rescue you with the intention of trying to save you a hook state. Sometimes this works, others not so much, but at least some chance is better than none. 🙂
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I could see that being right. If survivors would just learn to play strategically the difference would be amazing.
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I like that answer cause I understand it.
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I agree. Doing it during those times I can understand
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i think some people are just idiots. The only way i do this is if you're about to enter second state anyway. Obviously there is borrowed time, and other perks for unhooking. but it seems like they changed the game mechanics to not allow the unhooked to take the hit. Or killers have become smarter in their timing.
obviously this should only be done with perks to assist in the unhook, or as an act of desperation to get you before your DOH, or enter second state.
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For me, personally, I always try to unhook without the killer nearby. I run both Kindred and Borrowed Time so I can see other survivors. Sometimes I've got no choice but to unhook with the killer close by to stop the survivor hitting struggle or dying, hence the BT. But, it really does baffle me when a survivor will just unhook you without BT when the killer stands by tapping his foot just waiting to smack you back down.
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I agree with that. I mentioned those exceptions. Those are at least a potential positive. It's the unhooks long before either of those times when the killer is standing there
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ok survivors who hook bomb without borrowed time are just idiot/#########. but there are several situation in which farming is the right thing to do.
for example farming you before you reach struggle phase so that the killer has to catch you again and hook you again, losing time. also when they do this they hope you will have ds, making the killer lose even more time.
btw i suggest you to always equip ds, despise the fact thats a broken perk in my opinion. you have to equip it to defend yourself against scumbags who will tunnel you.
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