What are your most boring/cliche perks for each killer?

This also applies on survivors running DS and Unbreakable. Its just so boring to face essentially the exact same player you faced last round.

At least BT has the requirement of a TR being audible, and its extremely easy to dodge. I dislike the DS Unbreakable combo a bit more, although I have yet to be DS'd by surprise.

True, but if you were truly steamrolling the killer, you would have had time to search and cleanse the bones and prevent a noed aswell and decided not to do so. I personally dont always cleanse bones either, but if I suspect a killer might use noed, I definitely would search out bones.

Kinda yes and no on this one. You tend to be able to see a stealth killer charge in. There is only 1 generator in the game that I can think off where a stealth killer could get a hit on you before you can run away, but even then you'd need to be solo on the generator and in the worst position too. Generally, you can see a killer before they get close, if not at least hear them, and sprintbursting away takes away most advantage a stealth killer would otherwise have. With Spinechill, you know a killer is looking at you, but you dont know from which direction, so you might end up walking straight into them, giving them a free hit. As for the skillcheck, just let it happen, a 5% regression tends to be better than a hit unless you're running Resillience.

SB SC combo is extremely strong against stealth killers for a reason.

Which actually would be the better perk on Freddy, but if you use Pop on Freddy with any decent addons, you're just an ######### tbh. At least people who play Freddy tend to have the heart not to ######### people over too much.

Its boring to get the exact same perk on the exact same killer every single match, yes. I mean, imagine every single survivor using DS. Not just 1 in a team, not once one game and twice the other game, LITERALLY every single survivor every single game. That's boring. You'd have to slug everyone if 1 minute hasnt gone past or eat 20 seconds of stun every single match. It would be boring AF.

"I completely disagree. I think the majority of people, myself included, run Iron Will because it allows for better mind games and jukes while looping all killers."

So, you basically completely agree with me, because I said simply because its extremely strong. Being a spirit counter is just a plus.

"Just because they are diverse because they have different abilities doesn't change the fact that you are still seeing different perks used. Whether it's because of different killer abilities or another reason is irrelevant, they are still using different perks."

No, just no. Survivors are all practically exactly the same. Killers are not. Diversity in killer abilities does not mean diversity in killer perks. If 1 killer only has 2 builds, that are different from another killer who has 3 builds and another killer that also has 2 builds, all assuming they use all different perks. Thats not a diversity in builds. If you face a Billy, a killer who at this point basically always runs Bamboozle, BBQ, Spirit Fury and Enduring, then a second Billy that runs the exact same build and a third Billy that also runs the exact same build. It doesnt matter if Trapper has 5 builds, that does not make Billy a diverse killer. It basically means that every single time I see a Billy, I know his exact perk set and the only difference would be how good the Billy is at mindgaming. Thats boring as #########. I rather disconnect and go for another match, but I would be punished if I do, even if I face the same Billy build 3 matches in a row. Killer build diversity comes down to the killer, not the whole arrangement of killers.

Now, I do agree that if someone plays Laurie, they are pretty much guaranteed on using DS, while someone playing Bill is practically guaranteed to run BT and Unbreakable, but after unlocking the perk for other survivors, that person would be playing Meg and use the same perks, that person would be playing Feng and use the same perks. Every individual player at least tends to have a different playstyle and a perk set to compliment their playstyle's strengths and reduce their playstyle's weaknesses. With killers, playstyle is practically ignored. Like I said, Monto's build was literally applying a different playstyle to Oni and came with the first new diverse perkbuild for Oni in months. People could literally have used that build on release, but no one did.

"You don't see that because it would be stupid to run, not because of a lack of diversity. Cruel Limits is just god awful no matter what map you're on and Bamboozle is good on certain maps, with Lery's not really being one of them. Those two perks, especially on Lery's, would not be a good combo."

THIS, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN. Yes, Cruel Limits would actually be good on Lery's. Because 1 generator blocks out ALL windows in the surface of 1810 meter² on a map that is "only" 9470 meter² and heavily reliant on windows. There are so many rooms in Lery's that rely on the window vault to work and essentially become a deathtrap. Yet "cruel limits is bad, so it cant work". THAT is the mindset that I am talking about. Vigil was considered awful. But then someone used it together with Fixated, another "awful" perk and an exhaustion perk. And turned 2 "awful" perks into extremely good combo that is used very commonly nowadays. Just like how people used to say that "head-on and vigil is bad and head-on is only good for trolls", yet use it on 2 people, and you can loop the killer around the whole map, consistently stunning him/her, making it very viable. People had an idea, and made that idea work. That mindset is lacking on killers, because, just like you, they instantly sweep the idea under the rug and instantly think its never possible. Let me even make a visual of Cruel Limits' area of effect on a single generator in Lery's:

That is a random generator spawn, essentially blocking 50% of the map. All windows in the red area are blocked(I forgot if pallets were included, I think they were, but I havent been able to confirm it), making it essentially unloopable. All you need to do is push a survivor towards that area and they are #########. On The Game, it actually gets even stronger, because can essentially block the entire downstairs section for 30 seconds with practically any generator done. You could even combine it with Tinkerer to get the maximum value out of it. And the best part is? Survivors wont be able to do anything against it. The amount of pallets in Lery is relatively small, in the case they dont get blocked(if they dont, they should, tbh, the perk includes vault locations and a pallet is a vault location). There is a reason why the range got nerfed from 32 meters to 24. because otherwise, you'd be able to block half the vaulting spots on Lery's.

"Yes, that is an awful combo"

Uhuh, thats why the average match I use that combo against rank 1 survivors, I get 3k's. Again, elitist mindset.

"In the end you are still going against different perks from a survivor perspective."

No, wrong. You're just going against a different killer. If all billys use the same perk build, you're just facing the same billys. If all legions use the same perk build, you're just facing the same legions. That is killer diversity, not perk diversity. Perk diversity is based on the character's uniqueness. Survivors are anything but unique. There are some outliers, like blendette, Bill, Jane and Ace that are easier/harder to spot or hear, but that's about it. You cannot look at any survivor and be able to predict what they are running before you encounter them. Yet all I need to hear is a chainsaw and I know exactly who I am facing, what he is running and what I can do to counterplay that. Perk diversity is being unable to know what perks are being ran untill you figure them out. If you know, not predict, but actually *know* exactly what perk(s) is/are being used, it isnt perk diversity. You can claim it is, but you'd be wrong. Would you claim that a Karen in a supermarket demanding a manager because she wants her expired coupon to work is diversity because you have different customers? No, because everytime you see a Karen, you know exactly that they will grab an expired coupon, call the manager and be proven wrong. Karens are not diverse people. There might be diverse customers, but that doesnt make Karens diverse. Just like killer diversity doesnt mean perk diversity.

"I disagree and you have no data to corroborate this at all."

Most of your comment proved you wrong.

"Because we are talking about rank 1 games against actually GOOD survivors. Not meme'ing at low ranks. Do you play both sides at rank 1? A lot of these opinions make me think you aren't playing at red ranks because these things you mentioned do work at low ranks where survivors don't know what they're doing, but at rank 1 with competent players these things are not realistically viable if you care about winning at all."

Yes, I play rank 1 both sides. I try to use diverse build on the killers that I play. Pig is my favourite so far because she has a broader selection of perks that compliment her own powers. But I've used perks that would be "bad" and made them easily work. Iron Maiden on Doctor might not sound good, untill you realize that survivors often try to hide in lockers because doctors dont tend to run Iron Maiden. Because normally, it would be useless, but in this case, it guarantees someone to scream if they managed to hide from the shock while they are within my range considering the shock only works in the TR. On paper, its bad, but in practice, its much better than you'd think. Survivors are forced to take the madness and scream, or hide in a locker to avoid the madness and still scream. Since survivors dont enjoy being exposed near the killer, they tend to stay out, making them easier to keep in T3, slowing down the game massively. Just because something sounds bad on paper, thinking of all the things that could go wrong which would heavily outweigh the things that could go right, doesnt mean its bad in practice. STBFL on paper is extremely good, but can be extremely useless in practice when survivors know how to keep their distance. However, STBFL is often considered bad on a Billy, unless you consider that you can easily m1 people when they vault and never lose stacks while chasing the obsession. You can really catch survivors off guard while you have 6+ stacks and can rev your chainsaw before they can reach the next looping tile. Doesnt make it the best perk on Billy, ofcourse, but surprising a survivor out of nowhere always works in your favor. And yeah, it might not work against optimal SWF's. Granted. But only 1% of games are optimal SWF's. So why are you building around optimal SWF's when you yourself said you completely disagreed with me using Iron Will as a potential counter to Spirit because "I rarely see Spirits these days.". Why care so much about the best of the best in 1 case, but disagree against the best of the best in the opposing case? You're a great example of why I consider Killer mains elitist. You contradict your own statements so often and dont even realize it. Yes, some builds are not the most optimal builds. But you dont need the most optimal builds to win. Yet almost all killers constantly run the most optimal builds, just in that 1% case that they actually face an optimal SWF, and are then laughing at survivors who run Calm Spirit in that 1% case they face a Doctor.

Again, ofcourse. But people tend to mix up builds just to try out different playstyles. Using Stridor on every build on Spirit is essentially using the same playstyle over and over again. Ofcourse a Huntress will have BBQ, however, a Huntress who has Enduring and/or STBFL and gains stacks by hitting people through windows alone, only using hatchets against the obsession, will 100% catch me off guard when she hits me and is able to throw her hatchet less than 1 second later.

Just because its not the most optimal build doesnt mean its boring to run. Catching survivors off guard is my favourite thing to do when I play killer and it consistently ranked me up. Its more fun for survivors when they are expecting 1 build and see a completely different one. The game is about not losing pips, Killer winning conditions are extremely diverse as a Killer could theoretically let everyone escape and still get a double pip. Let alone that survivors tend to have more fun playing against an unpredictable build too. Example: I used Spirit with Bloodwarden and NoED, open the furthest gate as soon as the final gen is meant to pop, pretended to farm so they'd stick around longer, hook someone when the timer is half way-ish and ended up getting a 4k in all cases. They had fun, I had fun and got to kill them exactly the way I wanted to. No need for Stridor at all. Just because it sounds bad doesnt make it bad. And you could claim that it's "trolling" or "messing around". No. I got a 4k by decieving survivors. I could have gotten a 4k by hunting them down and being brutal. But there are more ways to get what you want. That is diversity. Power synergy and playstyle synergy are different synergies. And sometimes doing the unexpected is exactly what throws survivors off. If they expect a bamboozle on a Billy, they will avoid T&L walls and the killer shack. Which can easily be taken advantage off.