Face camping has to become a bannable offence
Now I know this has probably been long discussed and am late on the train for this one but I am seriously getting SICK and TIRED of these mf face camping killers. It’s not a strategy as much as killer mains like to argue that it is, it’s toxic af and is against the way the game was developed to be played. And not to mention that it obviously just takes away our fun as survivors which at the end of it all is why we play this game cus we otherwise love it.
but face campers are one of the very few reasons I just switch the game off and go on some single player game cus it literally cuts my mood off playing that game sometimes for hours or rest of the day.
Behavior have recently made DC bans more severe which is understandable because it’s annoying but when you put the toxic behaviours you can do in this game, disconnecting from a game to me anyways falls considerably lower than face camping because unlike face camping, disconnecting can sometimes be justified whether it might be a connection problem or the player has suddenly have something important to do that means he can no longer play the game unfortunately so when that player comes back he’s faced with a ridiculous 48 hour ban from the game (yes I’ve had this once before anyone doubts that’s a thing). Face camping there is no reason to do it other than knowing you’re being a troll or simply because the killer is crap so he/she has to rely on camping.
I believe face camping has to have the same severity of punishment as DCing because it’s honestly more frustrating than some player leaving the game. Even if it’s just that they’re banned from playing killer as a starter but progressively the punishment would reach where you are temporarily banned from the game entirely if it’s repeated.
I really hope this gets reconsidered because I know Behaviour mentions it in their guidelines that you cannot report a player for camping which i think is ridiculous but that needs to really change.
I know this is going upset a lot of killer mains but honestly don’t care about your excuses cus they’re not justifiable. toxic survivors don’t ruin the game as much as killers. You can still win a game as a killer even if survivors are tea bagging you or unnecessarily flash lighting you but as a survivor you can’t win a game if you get hooked and face camped, your game is effectively over. The only way of getting a second chance is if another survivor practically sacrifices themselves by rescuing you if they don’t get downed in the process.
please Behaviour, make this change. Your game is becoming less fun because I’m seeing more and more face campers than ever before in both low and high ranks.
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Should you be administratively punished for deploying a (poor) strategy? No. There are times when face camping is needed during the match. Now if you wanted to incorporate an in-game punishment such as, "There will be an X decrease in Y when you Z meters away from a hooked survivor", then sure. I can kinda agree if it's not too severe.
Now I play High ranks on PC, and I rarely see Face Camping. After taking a month hiatus, my rank was lowered so I briefly played with the low levels. I delved into dozens of matches and only met one "Face camper". And he face camped me because the exit gates were powered. It's not THAT common as you say unless it's on a different platform.
It sucks I know, but there are ways around it.
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What if Survivor's 3 Gen-locked themselves and a Killer hooks a Survivor in the middle of it? Should they be punished because the Survivors made mistakes?
What if exit gates are already powered and the best way to get a kill is to face camp to get a possibly guaranteed 1 Kill?
Everything is based on the moment.
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You CAN'T ACTUALLY face camp someone anymore. You can always be rescued, so quit calling it that! I swear, if half of you knew what face camping actually USED to be, you'd crawl in a ball and cry... And the killer gets penalized for being within the proximity of the hook.
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Bubba, Billy, Myers, Oni, PH would like to have a word with you.
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Great..so what will be given to killers since they will no longer be able to salvage hooks after the gens are done? because right now the killer cant stop survivors leaving without noed because doors open really quickly...plus ds becomes insanely overpowered at that point of the game as well..
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Unless you're running Spine Chill or Wake Up, doors do not open that quickly.
Killers can also stop Survivors from leaving by Blood Warden, Remember Me, Slugging, Camping, etc.
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No just make it so the longer you camp the more points you lose until your BP for the game reaches zero.
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Killers already gain negative score towards their chaser emblem they stay around a hooked survivor as long as they aren't the last survivor, in a chase, or other survivors are also around the hook.
Basically punish face campers by doing gens and letting them lose the game for applying 0 pressure.
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Blood warden requires a hook and an open door for a mere 60 second block and if you open it survivors will know you have it..hell they 99 doors for that reason-_- remember me was nerfed into oblivion , slugging barely helps since survivors have no more obj to focus on and are getting even more anti slugging measures next patch...and this suggestion would make camping bannable
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I agree mostly, but I'm not okay with your sentence that basically says „toxic isn't ok, but only the killers should be punished for doing it, because doing it is more fun than facing it as surviver.“ (yes, it is pretty simplified). And that is not ok. When we get a toxic punishment-button, it should be for survivers aswell. I'm not saying, you didn't got a point, because you do, I really agree with you, but I had a bit conversation with some face campers, and the say, they only do it because there tired of being offended via t-bagging by survivers in other matches. That's still no reason to do it, but it is part of the problem.
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Survivors know you have BW AFTER the hook when the gates are open. That is 60 seconds of you finding Survivors anywhere but near that gate Pair it with another perk like NOED for example and you got the wombo combo. Remember Me adds 16 extra seconds to opening the door which is an extremely long time. Unless that has changed recently, it's a good perk for end game. Slugging encourages altruism in end game. You have no more objectives except to walk through the door. It's up to them if they want everyone to escape with them.
Now idk what's coming next patch, but Slugging is a good a strategy that is encouraged by slugging perks.
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Good, because they would like to have a word w you also to explain like I said, you can still be saved. Ever heard of BT? Seen plenty of teams do it.
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Devs arent gonna ban a tactic purely because it's not fun to play against. Body blocking isnt fun to play against and can completely cheat you out of a kill sometimes but its a legit tactic. Learn, adapt, overcome.
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I wouldn't say bannable because that's extreme for something that's a legit tactic (even if not a good one). And killers already lose points in the Chaser category for doing it.
However, if I'm the survivor on hook, I would love Distraction or Assist BP events if I'm being facecamped. At least give me something if I'm not going to be able to get off the hook.
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I think this would be the best immediate course of action. Give the survivor some consolation points for getting camped out of the match to at least partially make up for the fact that they probably only got to play for a small percent of it (and likely helped 2-3 teammates escape for free). It's still not great for the survivor getting sacrificed like this, but it's better than they currently have it.
Something else I'd like in this regard is a BP multiplier/bonus that all survivors receive based on how many of them escaped a trial. The more survivors who are able to escape, the more bonus BP that EVERYONE on the team gets (even if they didn't make it out).
Camping is an available in-game tactic that does not take a match hostage, so it cannot (and will not) become a bannable offense. All the devs can really do is increase the incentives for a killer NOT to camp and to give the hooked survivor a few extra benefits to increase their odds of being able to be unhooked in this situation.
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It only takes 15 seconds to open a door. It can take longer just to walk to that gate on some maps. If there are 3-4 survivors running around, you're not stopping them. Remember Me doesn't work on the obsession. Blood Warden isn't that long if you have to walk across the map to actually get the survivors, and most people 99% the gates anyway.
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So killers who camp too close to the hook already start losing chaser points after 10 seconds, and the penalty accelerates over time I believe. I think the survivor who is getting camped should receive emblem points for distracting the killer while that is happening, similar to how you now get lightbringer points for running the killer around while your team is doing gens. That way the survivor who got face camped can at least black pip.
I don't think killers should be punished for face-camping any further. It's already a bad strategy that only works on potatoes.
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I’m not denying that survivors can be toxic but survivors toxicity does NOT stop the game for you. You can still actively play the game and kill them. You can’t do anything if you’re being camped. There’s a huge difference here. I’ve played killer and faced toxic survivors and it’s not a big deal honestly, sure it’s a bit annoying but I still play my game and end up 4king then 🙂
killer mains that are saying that are making a unreasonable excuse
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It’s not a “legit” tactic because that’s not the reason it’s done that way. People do it cus they’re salty or purely just to be a troll. A tactic would suggest there’s some logic behind it. There isn’t. Survivors if they’re smart would gen rush and that killer is gonna get one petty kill and very little BP. Don’t give me that bs, sorry not having it 😂
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Most face campers do it just to be a troll so I don’t think they could care less if they get hardly any BP. You already don’t get that much BP from face camping as it is and yet it’s not deterring them from doing it
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But face campers don’t care about BP. They don’t do it to get BP cus u don’t get much from camping as it is. They do it to troll you and/or out of spite. Removing BP from them wouldn’t deter them
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Not necessarily. They'll do it to secure a kill or get someone out of the game to skew balance in their favor. They'll do it because they're relying on the altruism of teammates to get more hits/kills. I'm not arguing that it isn't done for petty reasons (I've been facecamped because I managed to land a Head On stun and the Spirit was NOT happy about it) or to troll (hello Insidious Bubba memeing), but it's done for more than just that.
But even if it were for just petty reasons, those are not bannable offenses, which is the main point of this discussion. And because they're not bannable offenses, people will continue to do them for whatever reason floats their boat, so the least BHVR could do it offer some consolation to the survivors that get ######### over because of it.
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It's emblems, not BP. Face campers will depip. Banning for face camping will never happen because there are too many scenarios to consider, and there is no good way of determining whether they should be banned or are just trying to make the best decision in the situation.
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Can’t face camp anymore? Have u stopped playing or something? U can most definitely face camp in this game. What are u on about?
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Yeah my point was that it should be bannable because however you like to argue that it’s a “legit strat” it takes away the fun in the game. There’s no skill to it, you can be the crappest killer in the game and still get a petty kill with it.
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And It shouldn't be banned anything that ruins survivors fun is good since all survivors do is demand nerfs to remove killers fun.
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Not against them Lmao. Maybe with a 2 for 1 trade. But against Bubba even that is impossible.
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No, you can camp. Face camping was the term for when a killer stood right in front if you, blocking anyone from being able to un-hook you. It was literally impossible to save someone when the killer did this. It's been patched for quite some time now. You can still un-hook someone no matter where the killer stands now. So, there either proximity camping, or HARD camping.
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Blind w flashlight, make quick save with BT, and sprint away. What's so hard about that? The person unhooked gets a free pass if they get hit, and a sprint burst.
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Camping sucks but when you get a decent team an lose gens by the second or if the gates are about to be open what do you want the killer to do? An if you are being camp an the start or mid game hope your team iQ isn't is high an they do gens while your being camp and move on. Hell it's even a decent start against survivors who just blindly rush hook or want to be altruistic. An if we are talking about removing the fun an getting petty kills then let's talk about DS being crutch for bad survivors.
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What? You’ll never get the blind. Ever heard about looking down? You can still see the unhook attemts and react to them. Just bacause it worked against some ~10 hours potato killer it doesn’t make it a reliable play.
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I love facecampers. I know unless my team plays dumb...they will win. If its me being camped I hang and take it...if its someone else I work gens.
Ive had games where I hardly got and BPs cause I was caught early and left to die on hook cause I was facecamped. Its only annoying to me if I see my team not working gens...if they're not..THEY wasted my existense that round...not the killer...
I don't get mad at killers that face camp..im not good at chases ,so do gens. Maybe they're not good at chases either..
Who knows, but it's a fair strategy to face camp, to me...
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You didn't get my point. It is a terrible thing to do as I said, but in my thread, it wasn't about the physical option to play, it was about the psychological option, and on that point of view l, both behaviours are equally destroying the game. You are right with what you said, you just didn't really comment my statement, I'm just saying.
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Then make using shotguns in CoD bannable because they are strong and have no counter right? Lmao...
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To provide some context I think he's referring to the old, old, OLD days of Dead By Daylight. Back when sabo'd hooks remained broken forever, bloodlust didn't exist, fat-shaming spots and REAL infinites existed, the trapper could set his traps under hooks, Pallet Vacuum, Insta-blinds, only killers were Trapper, Billy, and Wraith, hatch was spawned from the start of the match, etc. (I was actually in the closed beta for DBD for like a weekend when Trapper was the only killer.)
In the old days, survivors could ONLY unhook from the front. If you literally face-camped (As in, pressed right up against the hook in front of them) you'd block the unhook prompt, meaning the survivor was literally impossible to rescue (Even if all 3 other survivors were crowded around you trying to get the unhook prompt) and doomed to die.
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I don't think this would ever be straight-up bannable, but they could (and should) implement more mechanical deterrents to it.
I'd love to see a mechanic that speeds up gen progression on a sliding scale based on how much time the killer has cumulatively spent within X meters of a hook during the match while no other survivors are nearby. It directly correlates the action (face camping) to the solution (finishing gens), it would more definitively punish the killer for acting this way by default, and it would ensure that edge cases where face camping is reasonably justifiable (i.e. the killer knows other survivors are there trying to save, or all gens are done and the killer's only remaining objective is to safeguard their kills) can still happen.
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