Issues with SWF

A lot of killers will "dodge" a lobby (i.e. exit the lobby) if they suspect there are SWF in the lobby.

@Vankruze said:
Killer's are tired of it and will dodge and so they should. Not only are they the most toxic but using voice coms creates an unfair advantage. I'd be dodging too unless pink mori.

Same. Sorry @Zenbro0615 , but you'll have to be more discreet about the team cosmetics ... and don't bring the obvious 3 toolbox + 1 flashlight. Anyway, still sad there are no better solution than lobby dodging.

@sulaiman said:
The problem is: I do swf even without voice chat, because that way i can actually play the game as it is intended. If you play solo, often you play 3v1, because one disconnects in the loading screen, or at the beginning (giving you 5 gens to do with 3 survivors), or when dowend the first time.

Also, if its down to you and another one, you are not the looser because you try to do gens until caught while the other one hatchcamps, waiting for you to die.

Thats the reasons why swf is important in this game.

Have faith on people man ! If you where playing solo more consistently, there would be one more good player to the solo survivors pool. Let's say your not the only one human being to think about team play, even when paired with strangers ... you'll end up with nice people eventually and have very good games sometimes. That is actually how the game was intended : just as in an horror movie, some of the survivors tend to be stupid or selfish ; dealing with them is part of the genre and part of the fun (given they don't hook farm you of course).

@sulaiman said:
But it makes me mad, and slowly might turn me into one of them. Because it always feel like a mistake to do constructive teamplay. And only stupid people don´t learn from mistakes.

To have faith on people you first need to have faith in you

Sadly even as a solo survivor I'll join in with someone else at the same time and the lobby will be dodged. It isn't always a SWF group when more then 1 person join. I don't blame people for not wanting to always go against SWF groups as they are a pain on high ranks but I personally won't lobby dodge unless I see 3 toolboxes or a full 4 man with matching cosmetics (usually toxic).

@Vankruze said:
Killer's are tired of it and will dodge and so they should. Not only are they the most toxic but using voice coms creates an unfair advantage. I'd be dodging too unless pink mori.

4 strangers = 30%
2 friends + 2 strangers = 34.1%
2 friends + 2 friends = 9.5%
3 friends + 1 stranger = 17.9%
4 friends = 8.5%

How do you know they're the most toxic, do you have stats to back this up or is this from personal experience? Were all these personal experiences actually toxic sfw groups or did something bad happen in a prior game(s) that colored your perception of other matches?

We tend to remember the bad things more and this colors other things that might not be bad but we think they are. Most swf and killer and survivors are by and large good people and occasionally good people will have a bad night.

While they might be toxic that one game they're on average not toxic overall and there's been actual studies done on toxicity in online games by MIT.

You can't paint a entire group as toxic without having actual facts to back it up anymore than someone on here can say all killers are whiny entitled children.

We all know there's toxic groups out there, it happens and it's going to happen, just the same as there's toxic killers and solo survivors. It doesn't make everyone bad, just those people that're toxic.

@Vankruze Are you reporting them if it's post game toxicity since they won't change if you don't? As far as in game if you're toxic then that leads to them being toxic to someone else etc, especially in such a small region as you say.

But with region lock removal you should be getting more people since i've gotten matched with people from Aus/NZ and even as far away as China.

I've died plenty in bolo solo with swef of various sizes and also full solo. Some people just don't care, they're too focused on what they're doing. They think someone else is going for you, someone is coming but gets seen by killer then decides to run around near you.

@powerbats said:
While they might be toxic that one game they're on average not toxic overall and there's been actual studies done on toxicity in online games by MIT.

You can't paint a entire group as toxic without having actual facts to back it up anymore than someone on here can say all killers are whiny entitled children.

We all know there's toxic groups out there, it happens and it's going to happen, just the same as there's toxic killers and solo survivors. It doesn't make everyone bad, just those people that're toxic.

your talking about a general study done by mit on online games , not the swf games here . But I can say I did in fact stop playing for 2 months because 3 out of 4 matches I would get as a killer was swf , and 14 out of 15 of those were toxic on average . I come back to playing a couple weeks agon and again 3 out of 4 were swf and mostly toxic so I started lobby dodging as well . its the only viable solution for me to get a enjoyable game as a killer .

in the end you can only ask if this is the trend killers experience and the only method for them to avoid it they have , then why isn't more being done to either put better options in place or to eliminate the toxic behavior . A killer cant know your intensions in a group , they can only go by their experiences , cant really blame them for that .

sulaiman said:

The problem is: I do swf even without voice chat, because that way i can actually play the game as it is intended. If you play solo, often you play 3v1, because one disconnects in the loading screen, or at the beginning (giving you 5 gens to do with 3 survivors), or when dowend the first time.

Also, if its down to you and another one, you are not the looser because you try to do gens until caught while the other one hatchcamps, waiting for you to die.

Thats the reasons why swf is important in this game.

Grimbergoth said:

@FinLadd said:

Then the only way balance this is deleting all the perks from the game or give the killer fifth perk slot

there is one simple way to balance swf imo , cut out the exp and bloodpoint counts from a swf group . That way those who just want to have fun with friends can , and they don't have to balance around it and making it too hard for killer against the majority of swf , or to hard for solo survivors to play against killers . If you don't reward something people wont use it to their advantage , that should also take a lot of the toxic behavior out of it since those players usually rely on anything but skill to play and if they stand nothing to gain whats the point for them to do it .

@redsopine1 said:
Or just cap swf so its only 2 people playing together no 3-4 man teams just 1-2 that's what I do unless I go for daily challenge or if I get a red/pink key I will ask for one so we can get the hatch trophy for all at once

yeah, or even better: make an alt game mode where groups of 3 or 4 will play on their own against a killer. That killer will have bonuses to fight against those organized groups.