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Mori after first hook bad?
Every time I use a mori in game i mori 2 survivors, hook the 3rd and look for last and either hook them or mori them. After one is gone the game slows down to a nice pace.I get that being the first player to die 2 or 3 minutes in would suck but is there technically a reason why I should let a survivor live? Other than to get more points(I run bbq so I get an ok amount each game). Killers objective is to kill the survivors so I don’t get it when people get mad that the killer won’t let them live.
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I only try to mori if they're being toxic, or they're cranking out gens a little too fast. Otherwise I might mori if i know they're on the last hook, and might have DS.
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It's your offering, use it however you want.
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Lets say, a Mori makes the game for the Killer insanely easy. Killers who use Moris frequently are not the best in the game.
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It just gives you a ridiculous advantage.
I just hope they rework moris soon.
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Or it simply ends fun and he didnt get not so many potentials bp..
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That's using it as intended, the self imposed etiquette of not using mori's noed etc is ridiculous.
If you bring a mori someone is gonna get mori'd obviously, how obnoxious it is when you do... that is about game state, are there 4-5 gens left and looking like some potatoes then go for another hook its worth more bps. Are gens flying off the wrack then ease the pressure and take this down to three on one.
No different than keys, someone with a key will likely escape and maybe help their friends escape. I rarely see anyone go on about oh man I never take keys I feel bad. Yes I have been mori'd plenty of times I'm a potato survivor who gets caught all the time. Sometimes in less than 2 mins I watch the animation (some of which are great) say well that was viscous and re-queue.
Often after the first or second mori people start DC and suicide on hook to get out of game. Just keep playing and get mori'd, folks knowingly lose bp's from dc or sac due to trying to avoid getting mori'd then piss and moan about not getting blood points, its just foolish.
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I usually only Mori on dead hook or if my percentage of hooks is not close enough to the percentage of gens to make any pressure ie 1 or 2 hooks compared to 2 gens left already
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Why do killers get upset when survivors use keys? They're just doing their objective! Same with Gen Rush.
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Exactly its a powerful addon the fast tracks the objective. Just like a mori.
Gen times are more of a balance issue as they are part of the base mechanic and are a different discussion.
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There is no rule on when or how you should use a Mori. Just do what you're doing.
Admittedly, survivors tend to gen rush a lot more than they would had you not ran a Mori I've noticed.
When my friends and I play survivor and see that black backed secret offering, we actually won't save that person on hook until they're close to dead and will slam out as many gens as possible or unhook if the killer is getting too much pressure.
Don't worry about when you Mori, just know that you may start getting hard gen rushed solely for the fact you brought a Mori, even if it is a yellow one. Survivors don't know that, so they're going to try to sweat to survive.
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I mori off the first hook if they unhook in my face. Even if they use BT. I will tunnel through BT to punish the action.
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I'll actually agree here. It's in the game, and that is it's intended use.
Will it be nerfed soon? Probably, but if people whine about it, ignore them.
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Use your Mori anyway you want. Don't let survivors make you feel bad for playing the game. You earned that Mori, so go use it. Personally, I welcome any Mori. They're more fun to see than dying on hook repeatedly.
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Its frowned upon to use moris after first hook. But not once have I've ever seen a killer use a mori and not mori after first hook unless they're a big streamer.
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I usually use mori on death hook, if the gens are just popping like crazy or if the survivor is just pissing me off.
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Mori do need a rework. It's very unfair towards survivors and it's very hard to get out once that happens because most tunnel to get the kills asap.
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If the game's going well enough and gens aren't getting done too fast, I'll hold off on the mori. However, if two gens have been done and I've only hooked one person, you can bet your butt that I'm gonna use that Mori to get a much needed leg up. Basically, "either y'all chill or I'm gonna make you chill".
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Sure, just don't complain about keys.
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Why punish the person who had no say in being unhooked?
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It punished the team as a whole. Plus its easier to down the person who's already injured than the person that's not.
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FINALLY. Someone said it. I've scrolled plenty of threads on this topic and almost never comment but I had never ever seen anyone mention this from the flip side before. Hatch jumpers who abandon their team anyway. The result is still 3 vs 1 so how/why is a mori worse? If anything, that Survie just dissed you by ditching and leaving you to deal with whatever the Killer is packing, mori or not. Full disclosure: I'm a Killer 99.9% of the time and save my moris for holidays and rituals(events). So, in the spirit of fairness; What does the Survivor main side think of solos who grab hatch and run without them? I mean, I've even seen a 3 person escape and leave a single person to deal with me and like, that's some shady #########. Do Survies ever call each other on that, cause I've never seen it if you do.
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Because the amount of input on the other side is wildly different between a mori and a key. As a survivor, I can get downed early, camped and tunneled off hook, and mori'd in less than 2 minutes. If the killer tunnels, it's rare that the first person hooked lasts more than a few minutes. Whereas with keys, the earliest a key can be relevant is 3 gens in, and that's only if 2 survivors are already dead. If 3 or 4 people escape with keys, you're likely going to lose that game anyway, as there's 1 or 0 gens left with more than 2 people alive. Moris can end a survivor's game with little to no chance to actually play the game. Keys just end a game that's well progressed.
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You forgot the part "for whoever can make it to the hatch in time.". Which still begs the unanswered question of does the Survivor community also call out their own who ditch their teammates to get slaughtered? I mean, yes, you bring up a valid point: Well progressed match, more points than dying 2 minutes in but, still a shady move to take off without the others or only inform a select few of the option to escape. I mean, maybe there's just an inherent self serving side to the Survivor role that I'm unaware of as an outsider? I'm only able to call it as it looks from my perspective. Keep in mind; I'm NOT invalidating the aggression towards Killers who 4K mori in 5 minutes or whatever, simply asking if that "######### you, got mine" minority of your community is ever policed as well.
Side note: has there ever been a record of hatches working differently? I ask because you mentioned the 3 gen, 2 deaths rule for hatch but I have played games where it was opened with all 4 alive.(See my above mention of 3 ditching 1 scenario). Did I come across some kind of hack or bug? I play on Switch so I genuinely don't know if that's possible not.
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Nah, dont worry, he's just crying, getting better at a party game is pointless anyways
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Mori a guy on the first hook is pretty efficient, since you are taking someone off the game pretty quick, it's a great strat
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I use moris on TTVs and SWF :)
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I am still a killer main, I need to complain about everything survivors do, And also, I still hate the speed that gens are getting done
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Ruin doesn't work so great anymore. I guess you gotta do whatever you gotta do to slow the game down. As long as you aren't breaking a real rule,I say whatever. I see good players run 4 perks that slow or regress gens. So I don't necessarily think someone is bad just because the game goes fast as you have to do something to compensate. It's not like you have an unlimited supply either.
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Yeah it blows but its part of the game you win some you lose some. If I mori off first hook and the rest of the crew split up and manage a seriously vicious loop play that results in no more deaths and then a key hatch out on last gen, then more power to em well played. My power play was outdone by your power play.
Yes keys get used after a more progressed game hence my statement about obnoxiousness before. Mori after first hook with 5 gens up is the most obnoxious way to do it. Better to hook folk for more BP's but that said you risk the gen rush snowball if you don't press your advantage so the choice is up to the killer.
Just finished a game as mint rag shackles hag with a mori, (a very oppressive build and a fun one for last game of the night) ,didn't use the mori once as I managed to 4k the survivors with hooks at 2 gens left. Maybe I should have just mori'd the last guy as I love that animation but the BP is better when you hook, its a choice and a valid one.
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Gen rushing is a different beast, its a base game mechanic that some feel is too fast. Competely different from a powerful addon that costs bp's.
Personally I think gens are ok but some extra mechanics such as reduced efficiency while wounded forcing survivors to heal more rather than just blindly focus on gens or reworking gen tapping might aid in some of that balance. Who knows it could be worth a try.
I find games are either a snowball one way or the other its rare you get that balanced game with 2ks/2 escapes and manageable gen progression. This is probably more a match making issue than the gen speed issue though.
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Perhaps with the new game start state they were talking about mori's might be deactivated till it finishes thus removing the first 2 mins hook and mori play. That would make them a little less oppressive without having to change their basic use.
Yes people would still get two minute mori'd after the match start phase but at least there is more game time.
I mean they have been reworked once before, correct me if I'm wrong but you didn't need to hook someone to mori them when they were first released I believe, all you had to do was down them or so I've heard. I'm sure someone can confirm or correct this?
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To mori a survivor after the first hook during the first minutes of the match is just bad, it shouldn’t be possible. I only understand this playstyle if there is a toxic OoO with flashlight, she cries for this!
Killer complaining about genrush or keys, but fact is: in both cases the killer has time to „play“ and earn points during the game, for chases, some hooks, breaking pallets or kick gens... in a bad killer game the killer gets easy more than 15k-20k and a save black pip, but on the other side a moried survivor within 2 min... maybe 2k bloodpoints and lose a pip for sure and had no chance in this match (I know, somebody would say: don’t get caught first or something like this).
In my opinion the actual mori is much to strong and hey, it’s just an offering... an offering shouldn’t have such a big impact to the game! If moris don’t get a rework (for example: killer can start mori if all 4 survivor were hooked), I really hope survivors get an offering which let the hatch sporn 1 gen earlier, so all four survivor can drop it and have the chance to escape through the hatch after 1 gen done ;-)
And to killers: why most of you NEEDS ALWAYS 4k? It is a „gg“ still if one or two survivors escape, the devs try to balance 50/50, so you can have games with only 1k and others with more or 4k, that’s fine and btw you get a lot of more bloodpoints or a pip than for fast 4 moris or something like this. And slugging for the 4k doesn’t needed, if the last survivor get the hatch, fine, often you will win the race for the hatch. But this survivor get a lot more bp for escape than a killer for this last kill. So please don’t waste all our time (killer and survivors), and go for the next match instead of holding the game hostage with slugging just for 1.000 bp. It’s more fun and effective for all!
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like if the game for survivors wasnt already easy enough right? Kekw
Same way killer dont like keys being used for hatch, survivors dont like mori to counter DS and SwF. So both are even, at some point.
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like if the game for survivors wasnt already easy enough right? Kekw
Same way killer dont like keys being used for hatch, survivors dont like mori to counter DS and SwF. So both are even, at some point.
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like if the game for survivors wasnt already easy enough right? Kekw
Same way killer dont like keys being used for hatch, survivors dont like mori to counter DS and SwF. So both are even, at some point.
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What do you mean? They reworked Moris since they first came out and were actually op and at the moment there is no reason to rework them
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killers feel they need to 4K coz one it’s there objective and 2 they feel like they are the good at the game but in reality a 4K and red rank mean nothing in this game anymore, killing 4 survivors in a rainbow matchmaking with bugs ,invisibles walls and broken hit boxes oh and with a mori, “ I killed all 4 I’m a god gamer ; .. yes you are lol I feel better at the game if I play a game and is not handed a 4K on a plate like half these killers get;
it’s laughable when I come in these forums see killers complaining still about DS, Dead hard, BT; oh a new one the other day Spine chill LOL, but yet consistently still get 4ks, in majority of games.
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They just don’t understand what means a balance game. Most of them cry for survivor nerfs, about genrush and keys, cause there are a few matches where they don’t get 3 or 4k... killer can’t accept that there are matches, where survivors escape. I‘m a rank 1 survivor and there are days I only escape few times, but if I enjoy the game, do objects, go for unhooks and chases, it’s fine if I die. I get 15-25k bloodpoints and had fun.
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@ich_häng_mal_rum I can’t agree more,
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People who play like that are usually swf. It punishes the whole team, not just the one guy.
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Lol
Hope you survivor won't be able to use keys anymore
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If you want some fair mori's, equip Devour Hope. If you can get 5 stacks and your totem doesn't disappear, you earned those kills.
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Funnily enough, they also earned those kills by buying and burning a mori, then winning two chases with the same survivor, the same way survivors earned the use of a key by buying and bringing it to a trial, then finding the hatch.
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It's not like pink mori's are rare in any capacity. I could bring 50 irredescent mori's in a row on a character that isn't even my main.
And my survivor I'm hard pressed to find broken keys, but I have over 80 irredescent and purple quality keys with add-ons that keep my key intact.
The issue is rarity. They're is no rarity.
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OK? That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.
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You said they earned it by sacrificing their hard earned goods and I responded by going 'yeah all they need to do is show up for work'?
I'm kinda tired right now. Was there some subtlety that went over my head? Inside joke?
For someone who isn't just starting out, you don't earn anything, it's given to you. Repeatedly over and over again.
And winning a chase with someone who's already injured or finding the hatch when you have 8 sets of eyes earns itself an eyeroll too.
I mean actually keys are balanced on the other end of the mori spectrum. You kill someone, the hatch becomes easier to find. Don't kill anyone and they have to do all 5 gens to find it.
Maybe in the future they'll have an offering that turns the hatch into a latrine. That'd be funny.
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8 sets of eyes? Go rest a bit, then come back.
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I mean I had someone angry at me because they had got downed and I wouldn't use my For The People on them. They would have rather me get caught and they escape instead of me escaping when I was dead hooked too. I've actually never gotten yelled at for leaving with a key as... when I bring one it's a team effort as I'm SWF if I do and try to get as many people out as possible.
I've actually led teammates to hatch and then killed myself so they can escape
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the thing is... you feel fair being mori after first hook?
i think is obvius having 3 hooks to die, want have them all.
if you mori everybody after second hook... you had to hook 4 less times, that's a lot.
is like the survivors start with only 3 gens to do.
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I can't help but notice that the complaints against moris all boil down to "It's no fun to lose."
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