tired of dc penalty.

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hinoutoumei
hinoutoumei Member Posts: 294
edited June 2020 in Polls

It's just not working out. The idea is to punish people who are purposefully quitting matches out of grief either as a troll or because they don't want to face x killer with x mori.


Yet, the system is illogical, because it does not take into effect times when entire lobbies crash due to server overload/server glitches. It does not take into fact ruined matches caused by game glitches and suspected cheating where one player (killer or survivor) just legitimately doesn't see the point carrying on. If i'm playing the game for 6 hours, and on hour 1 I dc for whatever reason, then on hour 5 I dc again..my penalty still stacks..


WHY? I thought the point here was to punish people who are disconnecting purposefully. If I disconnect (for whatever reason) once, then finish (without any dc) 10 matches (or play for X hours ) WHY IS MY PENALTY STILL STACKING? WHY DOES IT NOT RESET ITSELF BASED OFF TIME PLAYED/MATCHES FINISHED? I thought the point here was to punish people who are abusing the system.

You also claim you have no way of knowing if someone is dcing on purpose or if they dc for a legitimate reason..

Really?

There are logs for these things also, so I'm not sure why you are claiming you don't have the ability to read them. The lack of people to read them maybe, that's understandable.

Entire lobby crashes? That's certainly not caused by one person (not referring to when you start the match and killer leaves or when someone leaves in the load screen). I'm not buying that you have no way of knowing if people are doing this on purpose. Furthermore, even if this was true, it should be implied that during a pandemic crisis causing server over load and therefore laggy /unstable internet for most people worldwide (which is slowly toning down thankfully) that most people who DC probably aren't doing it on purpose at this time.


Furthermore, you don't want to recognize the issues that are causing people to disconnect on purpose in the first place such as but not limited to


Tunneling

Camping

Playing against an OP killer at low level ranks

SWF teams where you basically have 3 of 4 gens repaired as soon as you enter the map..


etc etc.


You really need to relook this system. it's literally not even preventing anyone from abusing the disconnect feature, as anyone who is serious about purposefully disconnecting for w/e reason , will just keep repeatedly doing it regardless of how long they have to wait in between matches. Chances are, if I'm fed up of seeing SPirit, and constantly losing against spirit, and every other match I join is SPirit..well..I'm probably either going to go afk OR I'm going to purposefully disconnect.


Furthermore, now you are talking about penalizing people for not pushing the struggle button and for using that as a "soft purposeful dc" I'm sorry, what? Please don't do that, and please stop thinking of doing it. There could be a million and one reasons why I'm not pushing A repeatedly ranging from not physically being able to (due to disability, being tired) to not giving a crap. Also, I could just want to sacrifice myself for the benefit of the team so they don't keep coming and trying to rescue me getting ganked by a camping killer.


You really need to think of some other way to punish people who dc on purpose that doesn't also punish those who are dcing for legitimate reasons that may or may not even be caused by their internet (stale mate match due to server glitch, servers crashing etc etc). You can't just lump everyone into one category. I enter every match with 40MS or lower , If i was joining a match in the red I'd have no excuse. Chances are if I dc it's because of your servers OR i've done so on purpose due to A) suspected cheater (a downed dwight crawling faster than I can walk , yet all the other players are acting normally) b) a glitchy match where I sacrifice a survivor and they come back to life, then were both standing there confused of what happened . The poijnt i'm making here, is I could be disconnecting on purpose for a legiitmate reason. PUnish the trolls. Punish the people abusing the system. Stop punishing everyone and treating everyone like they are equal in this situation. You seem to want to force us to play a match to the point where now you are discussing forcing us to press A and finish the struggle phase OR ELSE.

it's just too much.

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  • hinoutoumei
    hinoutoumei Member Posts: 294
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    i'm not sure why this got put in polls.. I haven't logged in here in a while and just posted to w/e default category it was set to i guess. My apologies.

  • yosufrp
    yosufrp Member Posts: 16
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    It stacks for a reason, Some people don't rage quit back to back but do it ever so often when they're mori'd or they lose. Hence why it stacks to make sure you learn not to do it, because it's inconsiderate on the others most of the time and it's just not fun. I understand certain situations like crashes etc which i think if you tell them, I'm sure they'll take them off. Hackers, If someone hacks, Record it and report it :)

  • hinoutoumei
    hinoutoumei Member Posts: 294
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    Ok. That's good to know. I thought they just had a do not care , deal with it attitude regarding the dc penalty. Cool beans. Ya, I try to report them, but end up just being angry at them lol. I'll have to run obs or w/e and try and catch them.

  • IIITweedleIII
    IIITweedleIII Member Posts: 874
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    I opologize for skimming through the post after a few paragraphs but here's my 2cents. Why is there even a Choice to Leave Match to begin with if ultimately you are penalized for choosing it?

    Here's an idea that I feel can easily be implemented into "penalizing" a camper killer. Give them a headache (visually much like being blinded, animation with being in agony, (much like survivors pain animation being hit by shock by the doctor). Lore wise, say it annoys the Entity that their killers aren't pleasing it with exciting chases of survivors. Considering it's boring just standing there watching a survivor already hooked and for the hooked survivor a 50/50 chance to unhook if the killer is stood near the hooked survivor more than x fair amount short distance of the survivor they just hooked ?

    More often than not. As long as it's not a permanent ban. No one who's an buttnugget will care about a few minutes of taking a break, being soft banned.

  • TotemsCleanser
    TotemsCleanser Member Posts: 617
    edited June 2020
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    DC penalty is fine but Behavior needs to work on disconnection errors asap. Some friends of mine have reached 15 minutes DC penalties solely from being kicked out of matches due to game errors and stuff ---not from ragequitting, not from a bad internet connection. That shows you how frequently these errors are happening.

    DC penalty as a mechanic to punish quitters is a good concept, but this game is WAY too full of stupid errors that kick you out from games for it to work properly right now.

    And idk about you guys but I've noticed these errors have become way more common since that mid-chapter update we had some time ago. Ever since then the game has been so damn buggy.

    Editing to add that earlier today a friend of mine who was playing as survivor got a penalty after the KILLER disconnected. She has a screenshot and everything. That's how buggy this thing is, lol.

  • hinoutoumei
    hinoutoumei Member Posts: 294
    edited June 2020
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    but don't tell the steam community that their precious game is broken unless you like getting laughed at and treated like an idiot. Apparently, upgrading your SSD will fix the problem.


    🤣

  • Ihatetoxicsurvivors
    Ihatetoxicsurvivors Member Posts: 50
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    Great ideas dude but has it occurred to you that a killer can dc also for a lot of understandable reasons too? I got an abusive message from a guy because my power cut out!

  • ThisGuuy83
    ThisGuuy83 Member Posts: 1,303
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    I was up to like 4 hrs I think because I was DC'ing on PH map. If I played 10 games, 7 were the school.. Not a fan of the new map because it's very difficult to navigate and see survs on PS4. I'm not gonna play on a map that's bugged and I can barley see. It feels worse then Haddonfield man. Sorry if any of you were playing me there and I DC'd, but I'm here to have fun too. I like a challenge, but the new map is ridiculous...

  • IIITweedleIII
    IIITweedleIII Member Posts: 874
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    I get dc issues. But as said I dont get choosing to dc when the game penalizes it. I'm all for not penalizing those who had dc issues like server failures. Power Outages and internet server issues. But for those willingly camping a hook is as well a reason frustrated survivors WANT to quit. I myself have had so many camp my while I was hooked and a couple I decided this ain't fun enough to stay. And then boom, one time I dc as a choice. I'm soft banned. That's a huge middle finger to players who want the thrill of a killer to chase them and their unsuspecting friends in a horror genre, then get caught and suddenly realize "um... are you gonna go chase my friends?". Why stand around as a killer and camp your prey. Boring!

    But yes killers have dc issues too. Especially if a group of friends commu icating through voice chat harrass a killer with no fear. There's another issue with this game. F13 was clever enough to add walkie talkies and disabled party chat and added close prox. Voice Chat. DBD ought to look into that, At least.

    But I do not and can not understand choosing to dc just to be penalized for it. This is my point. Why is it a choice but you're penalized for choosing to

  • JnnsMu
    JnnsMu Member Posts: 249
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    No matter how you justify a DC, it's still a DC, ruining the entire match for everyone else involved. Your connection fails? Unlucky but a timeout of a few minutes might be a good incentive to get it fixed. You don't like the way your opponent is playing? Just do your best to counter their strategy.

    DC penalties are one of the best things that ever happened to this game.

  • TotemsCleanser
    TotemsCleanser Member Posts: 617
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    If you're getting camped on hook you can always go straight to the struggle phase and not struggle.

    If camping "is a valid strategy" according to so many people here, so is suiciding on first hook. You won't be penalized for it and can quickly move on to the next match.

  • IIITweedleIII
    IIITweedleIII Member Posts: 874
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    Yea. I end up just doing just that and haven't DC anymore. I mean, points are points I guess. And camping seems to be here to stay. Just saying. The most boring "strats" a person can do. But yea I do move on. ....still boring lol

  • hinoutoumei
    hinoutoumei Member Posts: 294
    edited June 2020
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    the issue here is the stacking debuff, which doesn't reset itself unless you go 24 hours wihtout dcing. If it was designed differently, I would agree. It wouldn't effect me. I'm not going to sit there and try to play the game for 5 hous disconnecting from every match. That would be mental of me. I'm going to walk away, look into the issue, and come back when I think it isn't a problem. In other words, if i'm not dcing on purpose..I'M NOT GOING TO CARE ABOUT WAITING 15 MINUTES. I will go do something else for 2-5 horus while I try and figure out what caused the dc in the first place. but, to stack this penalty indefinitely everytime I DC?????? to never have it reset until I am not dcing??? FOR 24 hours?? that's the issue. I disconnect once out of 10 matches playing 1 or 2 hours, so I take a break. I then come back ..then I disconnect one more time out of an additional 10 matches.


    then this disconnect penatly carries to the next day and it's an hour long at that point. I then go the whole day without disconnecting..only to discconect at hour 23.5 of the stupid timer..


    NOW I HAVE TO WAIT 2 HOURS THE NEXT DAY BEFORE BEING ABLE TO PLAY THE GAME. There are literally people who cannot play the game for almost a whole week because they disconnected once every 5 hours never being able to reset that precious disconnect timer , and thus constantly getting a stacking debuff that just never ends. that's just harsh. the timer needs to reset whenever you complete x amount of matches. other games use this same disconnect penalty..and that is what they do and it works for them. No one is whining about having to wait 5 minutes to get into csgo because you disconnected by accident due to a power outage that turned off your router. that's reasonable. no one is whining that disconnecting again is 10 minutes, disconnecting agains is 15 minutes.. because CSGO resets the disconnect penalty everytime you complete a match. Dead by daylight doesn't.


    That's the problem. Also, it deranks you regardless of whether you are sub 15 or not and essentially you can drop from rank 10 to rank 20 quite easily if you are having a rough day.


    so no, it's not the best thing to ever happen to this game.

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  • hinoutoumei
    hinoutoumei Member Posts: 294
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    case in point, currently the game is suffering form some issue and the devs have even turned off the dc penalty while they figure it out.

    Once I figured this out, I basically immediately decided to not play the game until it's resolved..because it's pretty much unplayable anyway. I would act this same way , if it was my own internet causing the issue. It's an online game..it uses the internet. If i cannot play it without lagging why would i play it at all??????

    soo...the dc penatly for me, is totally irrelevant, really only causes me to derank all the way back to rank 20 from rank 11 and punishes me with a stacking debuff that never stops stacking unless i go 24 horus wihtout dcing..but, if i'm dcing by accident, i will stop playing the game, figure it out, and come back..only to get another penalty regardless of completing 10/11 matches flawlessly.

    and why is this in place??

    to combat a small minority of people who were disconnecting on purpose due to not wanting to play against x killer/x build or simply to troll others..mhmm.

  • hinoutoumei
    hinoutoumei Member Posts: 294
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    as mentioned, they want to start penalizing people for doing this too. It was in their live stream last month.

  • hinoutoumei
    hinoutoumei Member Posts: 294
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    anyway. I appreciate the conversation. but thankfully one of the wonderful mods here provided a solution to my problem. I switched to google dns and the game works flawlessly now (barring the current ongoing issue). I didn't have to upgrade my ssd, get better internet or stop playing on a potato. 😀