The end all be all DS change

Yes, please. If nothing else, please at least implement #2. I'm tired of Decisive Strike being used as an offensive baiting tool when it was clearly envisioned to be an anti tunneling perk.

He means tier 3 I believe. I often call them rank.

I think decisive shouldn't work at all if you're not the obsession. I mean, what's the point in it being an obsession perk if anyone can use it despite obsession status?

You got me there. The only real answer I could think of is "sucks to be them", but that isn't exactly fair.

I like it but 30 sec is too short and 60 sec is too long 45 would be a lot more fair

That would not be fair, imagine this situation:

The killer gets a survivor, the last ten gets popped the survivor is being hooked. The survivor runs DS and Adrenaline, he is healed now even though he is on the hook => his DS would not work anymore

Killer runs noet. Survivor gets unhooked, killer camped and hits him, survivors ds does not work because he was healed for one sec. How is that fair?

And if you want to deactivate lockers than you also have to change DS that the timer would not run out if you are being slugged, else the killer would just slug him for 30 sec and pick him up.

I can agree to this but no.3 is unnecessary since it's only 30 seconds. Also I'd pause the timer if slugged as well but only if within a certain distance to the killer. Once the killer is x metres away resume the timer.

As if you don't already run DS with unbreakable

I guess that only matters for Survivor Perks. Because everyone knows most Killers were not okay with the Ruin change.

I think the problem with DS isn't with the conditions that cause the trigger so much as that it's a passive ability that requires next to no effort from the survivor for a major momentum shifting benefit. There's zero counterplay except to slug and wait - which, if someone is legit tunneling in a toxic way, they don't really mind doing. Otherwise DS, and BT, really, are just get-out-of-jail-free cards that encourage poor play from survivors as it just punishes killers for survivor mistakes.

I've never intentionally tunneled, for example, but I get accused of it constantly by survivors who don't understand that they're farming their teammates. I want to just capitalize on the unsafe hook, re-hook, and be on my way, but I can't without risking losing hook pressure and delaying gen patrol. My only options (since of course, there's no way to know if someone is running DS) are to slug and stand around and wait for DS cooldown, or abandon the slug and lose a hook state and at least salvage some heal time. In both cases, I pay the price for a survivor mistake. If it's an endgame camp, the survivor often just escapes for free.

I'd just change it to be DH on the ground. Make it a timing outplay for survivors where, if they aren't exhausted, they can trigger to roll over and stab the killer just as he goes to pick them up for a brief stun on the killer and going back to an injured state. I never feel bad when a survivor escapes because of a nifty DH - I got outplayed. That's fun. A near automatic take-backsie when I've already done what I need to do to earn the hook - that's not fun. When the opposing team makes a big mistake that you recognize and capitalize on but ends up with you losing ground instead with no effort from the opponent - that's even less fun.

Unless you want to give me a killer perk that automatically warps a survivor to my shoulder if they duck or click their flashlight too many times in quick succession I don't see how current DS is a defensible mechanic.

Um. This is what many killers have been saying for awhile now. 60 seconds blanket protection is a bit much. If they do anything but run or hide the DS deactivates.

That's the solution people have been asking for for a while, but we have yet to hear anything regarding consideration of changes to DS.

How about touching a rgeressing generator you ran past while being chased? Should this still stop DS?

Exactly, and that at least punishes the killer if he stays on the slug or avoids tunneling by the killer leaving. But 30 seconds is not enough time to punish a killer for tunneling. especially when the timer is already going down when unhooked, because most killer start the chase around 10 seconds after the unhook happened (unless facecamping ofc) so standing on the slug for 20 seconds doesnt hurt enough

The current issue with DS is that DS is anti-momentum perk. It is a perk that punishes the killer for doing "too good" at their job if they hook people too quickly and many survivors have DS timers going at the same time. The killer should not be expected to memorize multiple 60 second timers in their head. Its suppose to be anti-tunnel perk. It should just deactivate after another survivor has been hooked. If both unhooker and hooked person get unhooked, It means survivor team messed up and killer capitalized on their mistakes but this can be easily prevent with Borrow time.

When it comes to killer powers like Pyramid head, Killer powers are kinda like extra tools for the killer to win and you guys choose a killer a extremely taboo tool for killers to win by. As sad as it is to say, Tunneling is a form of map pressure for killer because eliminating a person early on from the game is one less person on generators and it is one step closer to the killers victory condition. Unfortunately It isn't exactly a thrilling experience for survivor but it is part of the game. There are other taboo topic in regard lame DBD gameplay. A common one being camping which is best showcased by the killer Hag. Even if your not next to the hook, her traps make it look like she is "always" there and her strategy towards winning is oriented around hook camping. Another lame strategy exercised by killers and I personally hate this one, I'm going to call it slug-hook camping. The idea is that if you slug 2 people, you can hook one person, than pick another person and just drop next to the hook. This is commonly practiced by Billy and Huntress because Billy has instant down with no cooldown/drawback so you are unable to complete generators as half of your team is disabled but you are also unable to save anyone from hook/floor because you'll get instant downed yourself or the person you attempt to pick up/unhook will immediately be put on floor. Luckily there is now a perk that can counter this strategy in SoulGuard however I'm unsure of how effective this perk is at dealing with this gameplay. I don't think these lame tactic should be promoted in the game, however if the killer power suggests you to play a certain way that yields better results, than player will attempt exercise this gameplay within the game.