SWF
The killer must be one of the SWF friends, so that will be no one that facing SWF you don't want to face. IF YOU ARE LIKE, 'YOU NOOB NO ONE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SWF' THEN you are wrong. You can't say dumb things if you are not facing some good opponents, I love dbd and I don't want it be ruined by those toxic SWF players. Devs save your game and god players.
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If you think that SWF makes bad players good, you are wrong. Most SWFs are not that good, and most are indeed just friends playing together. Real SWF-Squads exist in VERY low numbers.
But I guess you are one of those who plays against SWF-Squads EVERY game.
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SWF does boost mediocre survivors, I have first-hand experience with that. If it boosted me to rank 5 (so far), imagine what it does to players who're already very good at the game.
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I genuinely believe the swf problem is overstated. And I have examples.
Both games were 4 mans. I played the same way in both games, they were back to back games in fact. 1 team did gens very efficiently, they split up and had gens done before I could pop my tier 3 twice. The other team did not do gens efficiently, they stayed grouped up and allowed me to be very effective with t3.
Its not swf, its the strategies they use and gen speeds. Swf doesnt need to be nerfed, gen speeds directly shouldnt be nerfed, the game needs secondary objectives.
The team I beat I was always going to beat because they played poorly. The team i lost to I had 0 chance to beat unless I basement camped AND they made the mistake of being overly altruistic. And there in lies the problem, to beat these teams you can only do so if they make mistakes.
Its not ranks, its not swf, its nothing being in between the survivors and doing gens except 1 killer who cant be in 4 places at once. Thats it.
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SWF groups need extra objectives that solo players don't. Something like the entity blocking off the exit gates for SWF players until a totem is cleansed for each member on the team and a chest is opened for every 2 people on the team.
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It does boost survivors, I agree with that. Im genuinely suprised at the number of potatos in reds these days
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Meanwhile, the top group is getting matched with a rank 16 killer in half their games because they're bringing that 15 along with them.
Darn matchmaking.
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Here's my 2 cents about giving survivor's a second objective! While I agree with your idea, it'll screw over solo survivor's. And not only that, I technically see it as a nerf to survivor (Please try to change my mind if you can), nerfing survivor's will make killer's like Trapper, Leatherface, and Clown stronger. But it will make killer's Nurse, Spirit, and Billy way too strong!
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Thats not how Matchmaking works. It takes the highest Rank of the SWF-group.
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That's how it's supposed to work, yes. However, when I was low rank playing SWF, we got killers around my rank more often than we did my teammate's rank.
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Its going to make the game harder, sure, but its supposed to be hard. Right now its just not for good survivors, even solo. And i normally play solo when i play survivor. Rarely do i feel like the killer outplayed me, usually when i lose its because I did something stupid or my team was potatoes.
We'll see what happens when they fix MM. Hopefully it takes into account not only your skill level in relation to the killers but also your skill level in relation to your teams.
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Since you want to call me out without tagging me. Let me post this pic of the last discussion you abandoned.
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People keep saying this over and over, no matter how many times I post screenshots of nightly matches where I - at rank 16 - get matches with red rank SWF groups who brought a rank 20 with them.
I mean, at some point people have to accept that this either isn't actually how it's intended to work, or it's not working as intended. Claiming it doesn't happen is clearly wrong.
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agree mostly SWF are really like to stay as a group i like to play the pig when i think that's an swf team so i can make them stop repairing or make 1 or more of them die because i'll tunnel survivor that have RBT on their head make them go from jigsaw box and change my target, also i can't say that all swf are good or all solo survivor is bad 'cause you'll not know their skill once you play against them
here for example that swf is not really op
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I play solo, and I'm not particularly good at the game. But I've made it to Rank 3. I'm not particularly good at Killer, either, and made it to Rank 4. Rank isn't really an indicator of skill, but time played. If you play enough, you will rank up. It's inevitable, and has little to do with SWF.
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Did I say it does not happen? No? Why are you mentioning it then?
Sure it happens, but more often than not the Matchmaking is working. But nobody will open a Thread with "THis Matchmaking is fine" with Screenshots where MM clearly works.
And it does not really have anything to do with SWF, at least not from my observations. I also had games where my SWF-Mate and myself (both Rank 1) and another SWF (both Rank 16) were up against a Rank 10 Killer. This does not work out by any means, yet it happened.
From what I have read on the Forum, PS4 has the most of "strange Matchmakings", I can only assume but most likely this is due to the changed Rank Reset combined with the SWF-Matchmaking changes. Because it is most of the time low Rank Killers vs high Rank SWFs - both groups which usually have long queue times. But cannot prove it, so yeah, just a guess.
But when it comes to SWF... Players should stop to use it as excuse why they lost. Most Killers in Red Ranks are not good enough for Red Ranks, but think they deserve to be there.
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I don't know if I'd say it's necessarily inevitable. Especially from rank 4 on, you have to show at least SOME level of consistency in your play to move up in rank.
It doesn't mean you're MLG Pro or anything, but there's definitely some threshold there.
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You quoted me talking about an event and said, "That's not how it works". If that's not you saying that the event in question doesn't happen, then we're speaking different - but suspiciously similar - languages.
In any case, it definitely is affected by SWF groups with wide ranges of rank. I don't just get random solo rank 1's in my games, I get groups of 2-4 that have red ranks and a rank 20, for example.
It's not a fluke or some rare thing, either. It'll be every game, every time, all evening. It's also not due to long queues - at least not on my end - because my killer queues in the evening are instant. (It's possible that the survivor queues were too long, though) I've also tested it by throwing my rank 20 survivor self into a lobby with my higher ranked friends, and sure enough we get really weird results.
Sometimes it's not a big deal in the end because it's just a 2-man so I get, "2, 19, 14, 15" which isn't really a game killer by any means. Other times it's obviously an organized group that's just bum-hunting. But it's definitely a thing that happens and is observable and predictable.
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Well, the Matchmaking got changed that it should not work like that. Before it was indeed that the lowest Rank was used to search for the Killer (and even this did not work as intended).
And I can only speak for my Lobbies - most of the time I have Red Rank Killers when I play Survivor. And as Killer (Rank 1) I have Red Rank Survivors, OR Red Rank SWFs with lower Tier friends. Just now, 2 red Rank Solos and a Red Rank with a Rank 14. And they ended up in my Lobby (which was Rank 1) and not in the Lobby of some yellow Rank Killer.
Could be platform or region-specific tho. But the majority of my games is fine. IF I have any different results as Survivor, they never happen before 11 PM.
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Yeah, most people just wanna have fun lol. I remember one time as Oni I got head on stunned into the hatch, the amount of skill and planning that took was astonishing (no sarcasm, the Bill made it completely convincing, I wouldn't have thought the Dwight was there in 1 million years). That was a SWF (2 man) who just wanted to have fun.
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bad SWF are not op, good SWF are
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Because you are rank 16 and matchmaking doesn't cap what ranks a rank 16 can be matched with.
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Yeah, people have said that, so I moved up in rank and tested that for a couple days, too.
Same thing happens at 15 and 14.
Maybe it's my region, maybe it's just a specific time, but it's definitely a phenomenon that's predictable and observable.
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Yeah, once you reach those Red Ranks you'll find it harder to progress. But I'd say if you play enough, you'll eventually reach those red ranks. Map Knowledge alone is such a difference maker. And as survivor you'll pick up new tricks, and as killer you'll pick up new tricks. You'll get better perks. With enough experience, you'll soon have more experience than other people coming into the same rank. And you'll start doing really well. This is true of both sides until you reach red ranks. At which point you're unlikely to face survivors/killers with less experience than you. (Well, Barring the terrible matchmaking system, that is.)
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i play with my friends and we win almsot every time. and we are not good, we are a little bit above average, and is rank 1 btw. SWF is brokwn always was.
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you are a rank 1 killer. I am rank 12 with about 200 hours in the game. So well done to you that you can play against this sort of thing but me personally... I cant even get practice at this game because swf comes in and ruins almost every single game I have. Yes SWF is a big deal as I am a rank 3 survivor just through SWF. It makes the game a shed load easier. This disparity gives a clear advantage and ruins the game for any new killers. But you don't have to say you are going to say "JUST GET GUD!" thats an ######### response by elitist #########.
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Yeah I play with friends from time to time and I can attest we’re just idiots roasting each other and screaming while we usually die
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What? Did you even read my post?
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Yes I did and you were saying that SWF isnt a problem. Maybe not for you, a rank 1 killer who has a good grasp of the game and plays a really decent killer. I mean Myers is crazy good sometimes.
I am a new player who wants to get better but finds it impossible to do so as I have 10-15 minute waits to get into games as killer and when I do get a game I am always against a red rank SWF team. So what would you suggest I do in that situation? How do I get practice? How do I get better. I haven't got a 4k in over 2 weeks now that I am not playing rank 20 noobs. So now I am getting frustrated and to be honest dont want to play anymore. I play solo survivor. I am rank 3. So its not that I dont enjoy playing and havent got some grasp. I am not a complete noob.
I just want the opportunity to play on a even playing field. Not have a toxic SWF that always knows where I am and what I am doing and I have no recourse.
So tell me in your almighty wisdom, what is my recourse? How do I avoid or beat SWFs?
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Because a lot of us dont have all those perks and we are finding it hard to get them when you are constantly matches against red rank SWF and you are still a rank 12. How am I supposed to get those perks when I get absolutely steam rolled by these teams, leaving me with maybe 6000BP per match. I think the game should be able to tell who SWF is and nerf them appropriately.
For example, if you are using comms, then the whole team gets 1% of normal BP points. I mean it need to be discouraged somehow and apparently making it a rule as part of the user agreement isnt enough when the devs wont enforce it.
At the end of the day it all comes down to money. The devs wont change it because it will drive away those cheating losers who cant get a win without an unfair advantage, and unfortunately that is most of the community.
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Well matchmaking is screwing you putting you against red ranks, I think you kind of missed my point though.
Let me try it this way. There are 3 types of games you'll get.
Bully Squads: these are usually, but not always swf groups. They look to get flashlight saves, body blocks, sabos. The good thing about tgese groups is they arent doing gens. Maybe 1 of them is but thats a hell of a lot better than 3 of them. You beat them by slugging them. Everyone catches hands. Keep them injured. Make them respect you and theyll either stop or die.
Gen rushers: these are usually but not always swf groups. And theres 2 different ways they can go about this and it matters. The first wsy is 1 person keeps you distracted while the other 3 bunch up on a gen. You beat them by dropping chase of the one dude and attacking the 3. This is the easier group to beat as long as you dont get caught up chasing that one dude. This also happens in solo que a lot, that guy running across the map clicking in your ear? Yeah ignore him, let him watch you down the guy working on a gen, just watch for the flashlught save
The other gen rush group splits up and works 4 different gens. This is tge swat swf group everyone is complaining about. Theyll finish 3 gens by the time you get your first down. Theyll finish another by the time you get your second. The only thing ive found that works consistently is basement camping and hoping they are altruistic. They probably are. If you cant get them in the basement then youre just prixy camping and getting as many hits/hooks as you can. Its very rare youll 4k against this group but you might be able to squeek out a safety.
The 3rd game is where the survivors for whatever reason just arent doing gens in any sort of timely manner. Theyre usually, but not always, solos. These games are pretty easy and if you lost its 100% on you.
Now notice i said usually but not always in front of those, tgere are plenty of swf that arent good. I play with a buddy, im decent but hes a noob. That was my point. Solos can gen rush too, ive seen it happen. Its just more rare.
The other thing you have to keep in mind is that these games can flip at anytime. They might start out gen rushing and then turn into a bully squad. They might start out trying to bully then give up and dick around. So you have to be mindful of the games shifting and adjust accordingly.
As for my "infinite wisdom" (not sure why you chose to be a dick there but whatever), stop worrying zbout the 4k. It doesnt matter. Especially if youre going up against players ranked way higher than you. Instead focus on landing as many hits as you can. As you get better at landing hits the downs will come. As the downs come the hooks follow. As the hooks follow so do the k's. Basically Im saying, stop worrying about the rank of your opponent or if theyre in a group and focus on what youre doing wrong.
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So basically what you are saying is "Get Gud". I know I am not the best killer, I am aware there will be teams that are just better than me.
Can you admit though that when you lose every single game you are in because of SWF it can get a bit tedious?Eventually frustrating, followed by rage inducing.
Especially when I have to wait 10-15 minutes just to find a game. Get into the game and there's SWF red ranks. Every single time. Why every time? because it's so easy to red rank with SWF because of the inherent advantage that they have.
Thank you for your suggestions on how to "Get Gud" but at the end of the day these wont help me to get better, or get practice. I play game after game and consistently get 1 or 2 downs and maybe a couple of hooks. I am putting in the hours but to no avail. So I am of the opinion that is Behavior dont want to fix it then I should take a trip to Montreal and 'Convince" them to fix it. They make a game without comms, they put in the user agreement that using 3rd party programs/devices or tools to gain advantage in the game wasn't allowed. Most of the community breaks this rule and it ruins the game and they do nothing about it. It is an absolute piss take. They need to sort their act out and listen to their customers, otherwise no one will ever have any faith in them, as a company, to deliver what they say they will.
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Jesus dude, no i didnt say "get gud" but now that you gave me that smart ass response i wish I had instead of spending 20 minutes trying to help your ass. Enjoy being salty and getting stomped.
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Dude I did say thank you for your advice, it really is appreciated. I can't thank you enough for at least some insight into how to get better. As I said before though, this is really difficult to do when I am consistently matched against players that just out rank me. They literally run circles round me. Then I check profiles to find that some the players I am against have hundreds or thousands of hours.
I am not trying to be a dick I am just so incredibly frustrated with how this game plays out. And I feel powerless and hard done by, not by you, or the players but by Behavior. They have made a game that really do enjoy playing. It is so much fun sometimes. The state of the games matchmaking atm though makes it nearly impossible for me to have fun as killer. It is no fun being flashlighted every time I go near a survivor. Or finding that an entire team is running BT, DS and all came prepared with flashlights and keys
I am sorry for sounding like a dick and being a dick but I am just frustrated. I dont know how to implement the advice you have given me and that also makes me frustrated. Especially when you read through these forums and most people are just saying, get gud or that I should run perks I dont have because Im new to the game and cant earn more than 10000 BP per match. It's real slow going.
Then there is the toxic attitude of all players. If I lose a match I berated and called a noob and all that pish, which doesnt bother me too much but its pretty toxic. I won a hag game today btw, after falling 4 ranks and being put against low ranked players. At the end of the game they told me that it was OP me putting my traps near gens, hooked survivors and exits. What the hell am I supposed to do?
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Fair enough. I saw the get gud part and got angry. My apologies.
If theyre running circles around you, hit them. I had a game once, i think i was purple, guy was doing the same thing. Running curcles and dodging. I said forget the match and just practiced hitting that guy. I only hit him once. We talked a bit after. I wasnt angry, it was practice. Couple of weeks i killed that guy and realized it after, we talked a bigmt again. I had improved drastically. This is what i meant by forget the W, just practice.
Perks arent going to help you if people can literally run circles around you. Worry about that, the perks will come.
If youre on console turn public messages off, if youre on pc close the box. Do this until you hit r1, and forget the complaints from survivors. They dont make the rules. You should be putting traps near important gens and hooked survivors. One of the most carthetic things in this game is killing some dude and then him complaining about camping or tunneling and responding with "and? Ill do what i want to do"
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Lol, fair enough. I will try just hitting those dudes who always elude me.
I do appreciate the advice and I guess just keep practicing. I know it is a me issue a lot of the time and I need the practice. I just lose patience when I get loss after loss. As I say I was at the end of a 2 week losing streak. I got my 4k today with my first ever game as hag. No perks or add-ons and I killed them all. So shocked but it has made me feel a little better.
Cheers again for the advice and I hope you continue to kick ass.
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It does get easier the more you do it. Usually when i lose i know what mistake i made. Youll get there if you keep at it. But believe me i understand the frustration. Good luck
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Wassup!!
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