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Iridescent Hatchets OP? Small rebalance idea, hear me out..

ItsTurboAlex
ItsTurboAlex Member Posts: 13
edited September 2018 in General Discussions

Firstly - this is my first time posting, excuse if I posted in the wrong channel or anything.
Now to the topic, I'm a bit surprised no one has brought this up (or maybe i just didn't see it)? Decent killers who are good at the huntress are pretty much impossible to escape against if they have iridescent, but maybe thats the point of an ultra rare addon.. then again other killers ultra rares are not this strong.
I was having a discussion with someone while streaming and I came up with a small buff that still keeps the offering strong but a bit more manageable for survivors.
What if when she hits you with an iridescent hatchet, instead of being insta-downed, you go into the borrowed time state, where you have a time limit to get healed by another survivor before you 'bleed out' and go down. This gives survivors a chance, but the offering is still very powerful because you are still in danger and cannot do any other map objectives until healed. And if you get chased after being hit you are still almost a guaranteed hook unless you escape and get healed.
Thoughts?

EDIT: For those saying she loses hatchets and has to run grenade belt - valid points, but my idea is not just a straight nerf, if they did change it to my suggestion of putting a survivor in a BT state, they would also rebalance it to not take away the 2 hatchets or something (w/e they come up with), to keep it more fair to the huntress.

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  • Iceman
    Iceman Member Posts: 1,457
    @ItsTurboAlex

    You can dodge her hatchets. And she can only carry up to one hatchet unless they bring an add on to have to more. The idea you have in mind you might as well just not use the add on if that is the case. 
  • FrenziedRoach
    FrenziedRoach Member Posts: 2,600

    Keep in mind that she loses 2 hatchets using this addin. Most huntress's will run it with the grenade belt that lets them get those 2 hatchets back. But this means she loses other very useful addins such as faster windup and better cooldowns. Keep this in mind when facing her.

    That being said, your idea has merit... as long as that state is reasonably short like BT is.

  • Peasant
    Peasant Member Posts: 4,104

    @ItsTurboAlex said:
    Firstly - this is my first time posting, excuse if I posted in the wrong channel or anything.
    Now to the topic, I'm a bit surprised no one has brought this up (or maybe i just didn't see it)? Decent killers who are good at the huntress are pretty much impossible to escape against if they have iridescent, but maybe thats the point of an ultra rare addon.. then again other killers ultra rares are not this strong.
    I was having a discussion with someone while streaming and I came up with a small buff that still keeps the offering strong but a bit more manageable for survivors.
    What if when she hits you with an iridescent hatchet, instead of being insta-downed, you go into the borrowed time state, where you have a time limit to get healed by another survivor before you 'bleed out' and go down. This gives survivors a chance, but the offering is still very powerful because you are still in danger and cannot do any other map objectives until healed. And if you get chased after being hit you are still almost a guaranteed hook unless you escape and get healed.
    Thoughts?

    It is fine where it is because of two facts:
    1.) It is an Ultra Rare add-on, it's meant to be powerful.
    2.) Almost everyone who runs this add-on uses the Infantry Belt as well meaning they're spending 13k Bloodpoints, the amount of BP some survivors earn over an entire game, on their add-ons. They are paying dearly for the right to use this add-on.

  • Eight
    Eight Member Posts: 513

    Can we Huntress players not have one moment of fun, in one match!?! Why you hate us so much?

    Particularly on console, there are a lot of tears behind that bunny mask.

    (At least you tried to come up with something "fair", which I appreciate. Even if I disagree that there's any problem here needing solving).

  • FrenziedRoach
    FrenziedRoach Member Posts: 2,600

    @ZombieGenesis said:
    Welcome to the forums, pal. Come here, post about a nerf that no one but you is asking for on a killer that doesn't need to get touched then be prepared to get mocked. Maybe git gud at playing the easiest part of the game, survivor, instead of crying for needless nerfs just so you can get easy wins.

    Actually this is not a new thing - people have been bitching about those hatchets since their release. So don't go off half-cocked acting like nobody is asking for the nerf.

    Look man, I'm a killer main - I get it. Getting constantly bombarded by 4X as many people with hate, salt, and stupid nerf suggestions get's old. But don't be part of the problem by adding to it.

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  • ItsTurboAlex
    ItsTurboAlex Member Posts: 13
    edited September 2018

    @ZombieGenesis said:
    Welcome to the forums, pal. Come here, post about a nerf that no one but you is asking for on a killer that doesn't need to get touched then be prepared to get mocked. Maybe git gud at playing the easiest part of the game, survivor, instead of crying for needless nerfs just so you can get easy wins.

    You don't know me, so saying 'git gud' is a bold statement. Whats good? Im a r1 survivor.. not that it means much, but your brought it up. And I can just as easily say that being killer is easiest part about the game.. killers pip much easier. Stop causing commotion, if you don't agree, cool. You are the reason people say 'DBD community is toxic'. Take your sad lonely keyboard warrior ass elsewhere. Rebalances happen all the time and I think my idea is valid for discussion. I dont think huntress is OP, but I think the offering can be polished up.

  • Justicar
    Justicar Member Posts: 319

    Ultra rare addons SHOULD be terrifying. Some of the others could use a buff, but Iridescent Hatchets are one of the most balanced iridescent addons in the game.

  • ItsTurboAlex
    ItsTurboAlex Member Posts: 13
    edited September 2018

    @ZombieGenesis said:
    Why should killers have any powers? Let's just remove them. That way their powers and 90% of their addons are now pointless. Killers can just minimally impact how much fog is in a match. That make you happy?

    Look at your ignorance.. please read my post again and you will see I didnt say "NERF HUNTRESS SHES TOO STRONG TAKE AWAY ALL KILLERS ABILITIES"
    Last reply, you are obviously not getting the point and just jump to conclusions.

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  • FrenziedRoach
    FrenziedRoach Member Posts: 2,600

    @ItsTurboAlex said:

    @ZombieGenesis said:
    Welcome to the forums, pal. Come here, post about a nerf that no one but you is asking for on a killer that doesn't need to get touched then be prepared to get mocked. Maybe git gud at playing the easiest part of the game, survivor, instead of crying for needless nerfs just so you can get easy wins.

    You don't know me, so saying 'git gud' is a bold statement. Whats good? Im a r1 survivor.. not that it means much, but your brought it up. And I can just as easily say that being killer is easiest part about the game.. killers pip much easier. Stop causing commotion, if you don't agree, cool. You are the reason people say 'DBD community is toxic'. Take your sad lonely keyboard warrior ass elsewhere. Rebalances happen all the time and I think my idea is valid for discussion. I dont think huntress is OP, but I think the offering can be polished up.

    Killer's pip easier....

    Okay, I've just ceased to take you seriously at this point.

  • @ItsTurboAlex said:
    Firstly - this is my first time posting, excuse if I posted in the wrong channel or anything.
    Now to the topic, I'm a bit surprised no one has brought this up (or maybe i just didn't see it)? Decent killers who are good at the huntress are pretty much impossible to escape against if they have iridescent, but maybe thats the point of an ultra rare addon.. then again other killers ultra rares are not this strong.
    I was having a discussion with someone while streaming and I came up with a small buff that still keeps the offering strong but a bit more manageable for survivors.
    What if when she hits you with an iridescent hatchet, instead of being insta-downed, you go into the borrowed time state, where you have a time limit to get healed by another survivor before you 'bleed out' and go down. This gives survivors a chance, but the offering is still very powerful because you are still in danger and cannot do any other map objectives until healed. And if you get chased after being hit you are still almost a guaranteed hook unless you escape and get healed.
    Thoughts?

    EDIT: For those saying she loses hatchets and has to run grenade belt - valid points, but my idea is not just a straight nerf, if they did change it to my suggestion of putting a survivor in a BT state, they would also rebalance it to not take away the 2 hatchets or something (w/e they come up with), to keep it more fair to the huntress.

    It would not be fair. Dodging hatchets is actually very easy, you're probably not very used to it yet though. She can be annoying to play against I get it but removing the insta downer would be crap. Sure the BT effect mostly guarantees a hook but it just wastes more of the killers time and doesn't change the fact for survivors that they are going to be hooked. So why even change it?

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  • NMCKE
    NMCKE Member Posts: 8,243

    @ItsTurboAlex said:

    @ZombieGenesis said:
    Why should killers have any powers? Let's just remove them. That way their powers and 90% of their addons are now pointless. Killers can just minimally impact how much fog is in a match. That make you happy?

    Look at your ignorance.. please read my post again and you will see I didnt say "NERF HUNTRESS SHES TOO STRONG TAKE AWAY ALL KILLERS ABILITIES"
    Last reply, you are obviously not getting the point and just jump to conclusions.

    Im okay with your idea, IF she doesn't lose any of her hatchets when using that add-on! :)

  • ItsTurboAlex
    ItsTurboAlex Member Posts: 13
    edited September 2018

    @ZombieGenesis said:
    I get the point, the killer should only have powers and abilities YOU AGREE WITH AND ARE OKAY PLAYING AGAINST! We have another whiny survivor main just looking to put that Survivor Approved stamp on killers limiting everything they can do because they're too garbage at the game to, you know, move to the left slightly when the Huntress throws something. Ignore all the downsides that she has to endure to take the ability, crybaby survivor main hates it! Better nerf it ASAP!

    Yea I am bad.. Go watch my youtube video if you think i cant dodge hatchets :)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_7Ru0KyLyI

  • DeadByFlashlight
    DeadByFlashlight Member Posts: 1,642

    @ItsTurboAlex said:
    Firstly - this is my first time posting, excuse if I posted in the wrong channel or anything.
    Now to the topic, I'm a bit surprised no one has brought this up (or maybe i just didn't see it)? Decent killers who are good at the huntress are pretty much impossible to escape against if they have iridescent, but maybe thats the point of an ultra rare addon.. then again other killers ultra rares are not this strong.
    I was having a discussion with someone while streaming and I came up with a small buff that still keeps the offering strong but a bit more manageable for survivors.
    What if when she hits you with an iridescent hatchet, instead of being insta-downed, you go into the borrowed time state, where you have a time limit to get healed by another survivor before you 'bleed out' and go down. This gives survivors a chance, but the offering is still very powerful because you are still in danger and cannot do any other map objectives until healed. And if you get chased after being hit you are still almost a guaranteed hook unless you escape and get healed.
    Thoughts?

    EDIT: For those saying she loses hatchets and has to run grenade belt - valid points, but my idea is not just a straight nerf, if they did change it to my suggestion of putting a survivor in a BT state, they would also rebalance it to not take away the 2 hatchets or something (w/e they come up with), to keep it more fair to the huntress.

    Try to verse the depip squad with an iri huntress. You will regret :wink:

    Btw, huntress received two nerfs in a row now and atm she is beyond ridiculous

  • ItsTurboAlex
    ItsTurboAlex Member Posts: 13

    @DeadByFlashlight said:

    @ItsTurboAlex said:
    Firstly - this is my first time posting, excuse if I posted in the wrong channel or anything.
    Now to the topic, I'm a bit surprised no one has brought this up (or maybe i just didn't see it)? Decent killers who are good at the huntress are pretty much impossible to escape against if they have iridescent, but maybe thats the point of an ultra rare addon.. then again other killers ultra rares are not this strong.
    I was having a discussion with someone while streaming and I came up with a small buff that still keeps the offering strong but a bit more manageable for survivors.
    What if when she hits you with an iridescent hatchet, instead of being insta-downed, you go into the borrowed time state, where you have a time limit to get healed by another survivor before you 'bleed out' and go down. This gives survivors a chance, but the offering is still very powerful because you are still in danger and cannot do any other map objectives until healed. And if you get chased after being hit you are still almost a guaranteed hook unless you escape and get healed.
    Thoughts?

    EDIT: For those saying she loses hatchets and has to run grenade belt - valid points, but my idea is not just a straight nerf, if they did change it to my suggestion of putting a survivor in a BT state, they would also rebalance it to not take away the 2 hatchets or something (w/e they come up with), to keep it more fair to the huntress.

    Try to verse the depip squad with an iri huntress. You will regret :wink:

    Btw, huntress received two nerfs in a row now and atm she is beyond ridiculous

    Yea the hitbox is rough, but they said they are looking into it so hopefully gets fixed

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  • ItsTurboAlex
    ItsTurboAlex Member Posts: 13
    edited September 2018

    @ZombieGenesis said:

    @ItsTurboAlex said:
    Garbage

    Oh my god, you have a YT video? You must be so L33T! Nah, you lost any and all credibility when you said killer was the easiest part of the game. It shows how little you know or understand about the game.

    Im just proving your allegations against me wrong. Said im bad and i cant dodge hatchets so i show you its not true. Whereas you are just attacking me cuz you dont agree with my post. Cool. Do you really think my idea is such a big nerf bat? Even if she gets to keep all her hatchets in return?

    And im not a survivor main, i play both.

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  • Swiftblade131
    Swiftblade131 Member Posts: 2,051
    edited September 2018

    It already got a nerf and it really isn't that hard to dodge hatchets to begin with.

    You used to only lose 2 when you had Iridescent Head equipped, then using Infantry Belt, you would be boosted back up to 5 total Hatchets that could 1 shot.

    Now it reduces the number to 1, add infantry belt that's only 3 hatchets to dodge. And if you are already injured, then it's a waste of a hatchet.

    It's an ultra rare, not only should it be power, but it is just that. Ultra Rare, it's not like you see it every game.

    Just get over it and learn to dodge hatchets. This will help you in the long run.

  • ItsTurboAlex
    ItsTurboAlex Member Posts: 13

    @ZombieGenesis said:
    Of course you are. Again, you've proven to know and understand very little about this game. Which is why you're calling for a nerf that doesn't need to exist. Cause you need to git gud. Regardless, I'm done with you and this thread. Hopefully the OP nature of the Huntress will just drive you to do everyone a favor and uninstall the game.

    I said earlier "I dont think huntress is OP". You just keep proving you talk more than you listen (or read). Glad you're done, you've accomplished nothing.

  • ItsTurboAlex
    ItsTurboAlex Member Posts: 13

    @Swiftblade131 said:
    It already got a nerf and it really isn't that hard to dodge hatchets to begin with.

    You used to only lose 2 when you had Iridescent Head equipped, then using Infantry Belt, you would be boosted back up to 5 total Hatchets that could 1 shot.

    Now it reduces the number to 1, add infantry belt that's only 3 hatchets to dodge. And if you are already injured, then it's a waste of a hatchet.

    It's an ultra rare, not only should it be power, but it is just that. Ultra Rare, it's not like you see it every game.

    Just get over it and learn to dodge hatchets. This will help you in the long run.

    Yea thats why they would allow her to keep all the hatchets instead of losing them with the offering, just a thought. They do need to fix the current hitbox issue too.. I've had hatchets fly pretty much through me

  • lyric
    lyric Member Posts: 611

    I get the point, the killer should only have powers and abilities YOU AGREE WITH AND ARE OKAY PLAYING AGAINST! We have another whiny survivor main just looking to put that Survivor Approved stamp on killers limiting everything they can do because they're too garbage at the game 

    I’m not agreeing with the nerf because the huntress has been through enough being nerfed but this whole part right here is how I feel when I’m dodged for no damn reason at all other than I have an item, I guess they deserve to make sure they are ok with playing against certain survivors or try to cherry pick noobs with every lobby, guess they need an approval stamp as well for being garbage at the game and assuming SWF every time
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  • TheDarkLycan
    TheDarkLycan Member Posts: 435

    @ZombieGenesis said:
    Welcome to the forums, pal. Come here, post about a nerf that no one but you is asking for on a killer that doesn't need to get touched then be prepared to get mocked. Maybe git gud at playing the easiest part of the game, survivor, instead of crying for needless nerfs just so you can get easy wins.

    You don't know me, so saying 'git gud' is a bold statement. Whats good? Im a r1 survivor.. not that it means much, but your brought it up. And I can just as easily say that being killer is easiest part about the game.. killers pip much easier. Stop causing commotion, if you don't agree, cool. You are the reason people say 'DBD community is toxic'. Take your sad lonely keyboard warrior ass elsewhere. Rebalances happen all the time and I think my idea is valid for discussion. I dont think huntress is OP, but I think the offering can be polished up.

    I love watching this conversation 🤣🤣🤣🤣 no but seriously I got a 3k yesterday as spirit and didn't even pip so clearly it's not easy to pip as killer, btw I did have 3 gens left and hooked every one 2-3 times so I earned my pip
  • ItsTurboAlex
    ItsTurboAlex Member Posts: 13

    @Dudddd said:
    Her hit box just got nerfed . 

    I know, its obviously broken and they have already said they are working on it - this is a mynute point in this topic because its an actual issue not a suggestion for an existing item.

  • ItsTurboAlex
    ItsTurboAlex Member Posts: 13

    @ZombieGenesis said:

    @lyric said:
    I’m not agreeing with the nerf because the huntress has been through enough being nerfed but this whole part right here is how I feel when I’m dodged for no damn reason at all other than I have an item, I guess they deserve to make sure they are ok with playing against certain survivors or try to cherry pick noobs with every lobby, guess they need an approval stamp as well for being garbage at the game and assuming SWF every time

    Not even remotely the same thing. The problem with survivor posts like this is they actually gain traction and are made reality. Killers have been requesting, for the most part, very mild to moderate buffs for the Spirit since day 1 of the PTB and we were told to shut the hell up. The Spirit is fine, so declare the survivors. Survivors cried about a moderate nerf to exhaustion perks and what happened? This last patch, that's what. Things are not equal or equitable and posts like this just pour more gas on the fire.

    As for lobby dodging, I'm not sure what to say about that. It's a problem, for sure, but it's one of the few things killers actually have control over. Maybe try getting mad at the Claudette mains with the full meta load out and the purple flashlight that do nothing but run around tea bagging and blinding the killer.

    You are blanketing all survivors under your points of being cry babies who want killers nerfed. As much as you have disagreed and called me bad thus far, I don't fall under these points, as MANY other survivor mains don't.
    IE. I think the spirit needs a buff, her windy noise gives up her position and alerts survivors too easily of her approach, taking away from the whole point of her power and ruining the aspect of surprise/jump scares/mind games which is my favorite part of being a killer, i love jump scares and mind gaming.
    I also don't run meta perks, i havnt touched self-care since before it was even nerfed.
    I also was a wraith main before and am very happy he is viable again.
    I am not a survivor main who only cries for killer nerfs, I want the game balanced because i truly enjoy both sides. My thread was just an idea i had, doesnt mean its a good/bad idea or will happen, i just wanted to share it.
    But you are generalizing all survivor mains as these cry babies who run meta perks and want killers nerffed, thats not true, but yes these types of people do exist, just like toxic killers do who camp or want constant buffs, but that is not what i'm trying to convey here.

  • lyric
    lyric Member Posts: 611

    @lyric said:
    I’m not agreeing with the nerf because the huntress has been through enough being nerfed but this whole part right here is how I feel when I’m dodged for no damn reason at all other than I have an item, I guess they deserve to make sure they are ok with playing against certain survivors or try to cherry pick noobs with every lobby, guess they need an approval stamp as well for being garbage at the game and assuming SWF every time

    Not even remotely the same thing. The problem with survivor posts like this is they actually gain traction and are made reality. Killers have been requesting, for the most part, very mild to moderate buffs for the Spirit since day 1 of the PTB and we were told to shut the hell up. The Spirit is fine, so declare the survivors. Survivors cried about a moderate nerf to exhaustion perks and what happened? This last patch, that's what. Things are not equal or equitable and posts like this just pour more gas on the fire.

    As for lobby dodging, I'm not sure what to say about that. It's a problem, for sure, but it's one of the few things killers actually have control over. Maybe try getting mad at the Claudette mains with the full meta load out and the purple flashlight that do nothing but run around tea bagging and blinding the killer.

    There may be a few minor things with the spirit that need tweaked but I’ve honestly started maining as her instead of the trapper when I play killer  I’m at rank 7 right now because I only play when I’m tired of survivor but I have yet to get under a 2k with her, she seems very viable if you play your cards right, but for lobby dodging to me there is no excuse for it other than ping, I never dodge a lobby as killer. 

    As for my my opinion not trying to get a bunch of hate after this but I feel as if the killers are not as powerful as some may hope because they have to balance survivors around the strongest killer with the strongest add ons in order to have a chance to survive even in that situation, now that being said if they would nerf the strongest killer slightly and nerf survivors along with that , you could find a solid balance that works and allows all killers to be viable instead of constant Billy and nurse  or having to rework every killer to buff them to this level , nobody will ever be satisfied with the results though , even if they have killers every buff you could specifically hand pick you would have a group still complaining and the same with survivors, just an opinion though.
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  • ItsTurboAlex
    ItsTurboAlex Member Posts: 13

    As for my my opinion not trying to get a bunch of hate after this but I feel as if the killers are not as powerful as some may hope because they have to balance survivors around the strongest killer with the strongest add ons in order to have a chance to survive even in that situation, now that being said if they would nerf the strongest killer slightly and nerf survivors along with that , you could find a solid balance that works and allows all killers to be viable instead of constant Billy and nurse  or having to rework every killer to buff them to this level , nobody will ever be satisfied with the results though , even if they have killers every buff you could specifically hand pick you would have a group still complaining and the same with survivors, just an opinion though.

    Yea i agree, especially with "nobody will ever be satisfied". Game balance is an everlasting thing and its never going to be perfect. Thats kind of part of the fun sometimes, changing metas, making new killers/perks/addons/etc better and others worse, then changing it up again later. Keeps people playing different things and keeps it fresh..

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  • lyric
    lyric Member Posts: 611

    @lyric said:
    As for my my opinion not trying to get a bunch of hate after this but I feel as if the killers are not as powerful as some may hope because they have to balance survivors around the strongest killer with the strongest add ons in order to have a chance to survive even in that situation, now that being said if they would nerf the strongest killer slightly and nerf survivors along with that , you could find a solid balance that works and allows all killers to be viable instead of constant Billy and nurse  or having to rework every killer to buff them to this level , nobody will ever be satisfied with the results though , even if they have killers every buff you could specifically hand pick you would have a group still complaining and the same with survivors, just an opinion though.

    I don't disagree with you here. For some reason Billy is the only killer the Devs care about. He's the only one that seems to be immune to the ban hammer and I don't get it. He's the fastest killer in the game with an instant-down mechanic. Him and The Nurse are, honestly, too much. At least The Nurse has a high learning curve though. I've said since I started playing this game that Billy needs to be brought down a peg or two. He's why certain salty and toxic survivors hate BBQ and Chili. In any other killer's hands the perk is moderately useful at best. In his hands you can get a down before the survivor even knows you're coming for them. Which is insane. But BHVR is just fine with it.

    Can the Spirit see blood stains while she's phased though? Oh no, that'd be OP.

    Yea I don’t get why they didn’t just leave built in bloodhound on her
  • lyric
    lyric Member Posts: 611
    Thought this was pretty good lol random I know