Hillbilly need nerf on walk speed with chainsaw

cosfloweffect said:

He already walks slower during chainsaw. He also loses bloodlust when he revs up. Not hard to dodge if you time it right. 

While that is valid your forgetting all his speed and control addons and how he can clear a map in 5secs

Considering it takes addons just to gain a little directional control, leave him be and stop running in straight lines.
And no i don't even like to use this killer.

Just loop him. Easy. 

@cosfloweffect said:
redsopine1 said:

cosfloweffect said:

He already walks slower during chainsaw. He also loses bloodlust when he revs up. Not hard to dodge if you time it right. 

While that is valid your forgetting all his speed and control addons and how he can clear a map in 5secs

That's what makes him a unique and aa viabl high rank killer. Hillbilly and Nurse haven't had to need a rework for so long because they are balanced. There are ways to get away from both. But no so easy it's ridiculous.

I agree with you on billy.

Nurse is too OP though. If the player plays that killer well, there is almost no chance for you to win.

@HP150 said:
Nah. All the other killers just need a buff to movement speed. It would (slightly) bring them more in line with Nurse + Billy's map pressure. The reason why Billy and Nurse aren't dumpstered on at Rank 1 is because they can exert map pressure, they can end chases quickly, they can patrol gens better, and they can get in another chase soon after they've hooked someone, mitigating the good ole "gen rush" (ie, survivors knowing what they're doing and not screwing around on dull totems/crouched in a corner).

An overall movespeed buff for all killers has been long overdue. People are tired of seeing only Nurse and Billy at Rank 1 but nobody is willing to accept drastic changes for the other killers.

Uh, no. Nurse and Hillbilly need a nerf in tandem with split-generators/objective being reworked. You don't bring balanced killers up to the OP killers when the entire reason objective is the problem.

learn to dodge it. its not that hard.

Eninya said:

@HP150 said:
Nah. All the other killers just need a buff to movement speed. It would (slightly) bring them more in line with Nurse + Billy's map pressure. The reason why Billy and Nurse aren't dumpstered on at Rank 1 is because they can exert map pressure, they can end chases quickly, they can patrol gens better, and they can get in another chase soon after they've hooked someone, mitigating the good ole "gen rush" (ie, survivors knowing what they're doing and not screwing around on dull totems/crouched in a corner).

An overall movespeed buff for all killers has been long overdue. People are tired of seeing only Nurse and Billy at Rank 1 but nobody is willing to accept drastic changes for the other killers.

Uh, no. Nurse and Hillbilly need a nerf in tandem with split-generators/objective being reworked. You don't bring balanced killers up to the OP killers when the entire reason objective is the problem.

Forgive my ignorance if I missed this during a Q&A or dev stream  but what do you mean by split generator / objectives. I know they mentioned adding more objectives but I don't see how nurse or Billy get called into question. And the only thing that comes to mind when you say split-gens  is when survivors intentionally keep repaired generators separated from one another to prevent a trifecta.

@ZombieGenesis said:
He has a crazy movement power, with 1 hit down potential, and regular movement speed to boot. I don't get it. Either nerf him down to the level of The Pig or other mid-carders or buff everyone to his level. One or the other.

nerfing viable killers will not make more killers viable, only reduce the amount of viable killers

@DemonDaddy said:
Eninya said:

@HP150 said:

Nah. All the other killers just need a buff to movement speed. It would (slightly) bring them more in line with Nurse + Billy's map pressure. The reason why Billy and Nurse aren't dumpstered on at Rank 1 is because they can exert map pressure, they can end chases quickly, they can patrol gens better, and they can get in another chase soon after they've hooked someone, mitigating the good ole "gen rush" (ie, survivors knowing what they're doing and not screwing around on dull totems/crouched in a corner).

An overall movespeed buff for all killers has been long overdue. People are tired of seeing only Nurse and Billy at Rank 1 but nobody is willing to accept drastic changes for the other killers.

Uh, no. Nurse and Hillbilly need a nerf in tandem with split-generators/objective being reworked. You don't bring balanced killers up to the OP killers when the entire reason objective is the problem.

Forgive my ignorance if I missed this during a Q&A or dev stream  but what do you mean by split generator / objectives. I know they mentioned adding more objectives but I don't see how nurse or Billy get called into question. And the only thing that comes to mind when you say split-gens  is when survivors intentionally keep repaired generators separated from one another to prevent a trifecta.

A big issue with the game is that it's far, far more effective for survivors to split up and do generators independently, spread across the map. The killer cannot lock down the entire map, so he can only realistically defend one or two generators. While he's out of range of the others, they know it's safe to keep going. While you do get a pretty sizable speed bonus for working on generators together, it's not SO big that it feels worth it beyond convenience.

Multiple people working on a single generator usually means they're desperate for it and it's worth it for the killer to camp because survivors are rarely working on repairs together out of necessity, unless they're trying not to get 3-genned. (I'd argue the 3-gen strat is a problem, but it's more of a symptom of a lot of other systemic problems in the way the objective currently functions.)

I feel like Ruin should be baseline, and independent generator repairs should be on the border of "too slow" to encourage people to work together. This would make ally aura reading better, allow killers to have a fourth perk in place of Ruin (that cannot be destroyed), and pave the way for substantially better balancing of Ruin's effectiveness in general around the killers and their allotted effective time.

Hillbilly being "broken" with mobility is a serious road block for altering map sizes and obstructions, and he really does need a nerf. It will happen in tandem or right around the same time the devs decide which direction they want to take the future of the game. Bottom line is: Hillbilly's power is over the top, and any changes that benefit the killer standard underneath him will legitimately turn him into an unbeatable god for anyone half-decent with his chainsaw. Huntress is considered the third best killer, and the pinnacle of balance, but Hillbilly has been where he stands forever, so the community is a little hypocritical on the subject. Nurse is a special case, since she's already got some pretty harsh penalties for being bad, but her skill ceiling is almost impossible to balance around. (Also, most maps having huge sweeps of LoS for her doesn't help.)

TL;DR: Hillbilly is broken and has to be nerfed moving forward. His OP-ness is a result of other parts of the game being unbalanced/needing design updates.

@yeet said:

@powerbats said:

@DeadByFlashlight said:

@Sir_Kazi said:
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Huntress was already nerfed.

If you nerf billy too, then nurse will be the only killer anymore. Do you really want that?

Cough Hag, cough Wraith and I'm seeing Doctors and Rins get 3-4k at rank 1 just by playing optimally.

are they playing optimally or are the survivors playing poorly?

It can be both but a lot of it's killers are playing optimally then of course there's all the ftp that like to run into hag traps non stop at low ranks for some reason.

But mostly the killers are maxing out the potential on them.

@yeet said:

@powerbats said:

@yeet said:

@powerbats said:

@DeadByFlashlight said:

@Sir_Kazi said:
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Huntress was already nerfed.

If you nerf billy too, then nurse will be the only killer anymore. Do you really want that?

Cough Hag, cough Wraith and I'm seeing Doctors and Rins get 3-4k at rank 1 just by playing optimally.

are they playing optimally or are the survivors playing poorly?

It can be both but a lot of it's killers are playing optimally then of course there's all the ftp that like to run into hag traps non stop at low ranks for some reason.

But mostly the killers are maxing out the potential on them.

killers only win by survivor mistakes
if survivors play perfectly a killer cannot win

That's not true, a killer can still get kills even when the survivors play perfectly just by anticipating better or positioning better. Thinking ahead and not just doing the same thing that didn't work over and over again.

@powerbats said:

It can be both but a lot of it's killers are playing optimally then of course there's all the ftp that like to run into hag traps non stop at low ranks for some reason.

But mostly the killers are maxing out the potential on them.

running through hag traps is how you beat her...
as soon as you see she is in chase you just pop all of her traps removing her zones of control forcing her to have to rely on traps she places mid chase

@holywhitetrash said:

@powerbats said:

It can be both but a lot of it's killers are playing optimally then of course there's all the ftp that like to run into hag traps non stop at low ranks for some reason.

But mostly the killers are maxing out the potential on them.

running through hag traps is how you beat her...
as soon as you see she is in chase you just pop all of her traps removing her zones of control forcing her to have to rely on traps she places mid chase

Oh I agree, especially if she's on other side of map, then hope she doesn't have the ultra rare addon and come smack you down lol.